Just a point, but literally every tournament ive been to, once draws are announced every body sets up and time doesnt begin until everybody is ready. So other than being annoying this wouldnt actually have any impact on the game.

This is ridiculous. The rules say the TO must be present for discussion prior to the agreement to ID. It does NOT restrict you from immediately disagreeing and telling your opponent to play.

I would tell my opponent politely not to waste the TOs or my time and get set up and expect him to comply. If not, he is stalling and I would complain about it.

If he wants to make a statement which is super convincing and explains why it for your benefit to agree he has to wait for the TO to make it and has the right to make it as well. Under current FFG rules perfectly legit, even when I don't like it. I still would use it.

Quite simply, if I am aware that he wants to discuss ID, say I am not interested, and he still calls the TO over, then it is wasting my time - particularly in the early rounds. As someone mentioned - the tournaments I go to usually allow some transition time of about 10 mins to get moved and set up after pairings are announced, so it may not be a problem. But if waiting on the TO goes into the active game time, I have a right to complain and call it stalling.

If we are in the last round before a cut, both undefeated - then I would be open to a discussion on it, but based on the OP, this assumed it was in the opening rounds of play. The only reasons I see that someone would request ID that early is they either see a list they think they can't beat or are stalling.

As Holmelund stated, early round requests on this would be an indication of stalling and should warrant a warning from the TO.

I don't see this scenario happening, but I can see the fiasco in Roanoke happening again and possibly sooner than anyone expects.

The Atlanta Regional is this weekend and from what I hear, entries are lower than expected. 2 of my friends that were denied a possible chance to make the finals in Roanoke are going to Atlanta and I would not blame them a bit if they took an ID to secure a top spot.

This is ridiculous. The rules say the TO must be present for discussion prior to the agreement to ID. It does NOT restrict you from immediately disagreeing and telling your opponent to play.

I would tell my opponent politely not to waste the TOs or my time and get set up and expect him to comply. If not, he is stalling and I would complain about it.

If he wants to make a statement which is super convincing and explains why it for your benefit to agree he has to wait for the TO to make it and has the right to make it as well. Under current FFG rules perfectly legit, even when I don't like it. I still would use it.

Quite simply, if I am aware that he wants to discuss ID, say I am not interested, and he still calls the TO over, then it is wasting my time - particularly in the early rounds. As someone mentioned - the tournaments I go to usually allow some transition time of about 10 mins to get moved and set up after pairings are announced, so it may not be a problem. But if waiting on the TO goes into the active game time, I have a right to complain and call it stalling.

If we are in the last round before a cut, both undefeated - then I would be open to a discussion on it, but based on the OP, this assumed it was in the opening rounds of play. The only reasons I see that someone would request ID that early is they either see a list they think they can't beat or are stalling.

As Holmelund stated, early round requests on this would be an indication of stalling and should warrant a warning from the TO.

I don't see this scenario happening, but I can see the fiasco in Roanoke happening again and possibly sooner than anyone expects.

The Atlanta Regional is this weekend and from what I hear, entries are lower than expected. 2 of my friends that were denied a possible chance to make the finals in Roanoke are going to Atlanta and I would not blame them a bit if they took an ID to secure a top spot.

If you wanted to stall the start of a game there are dozens of ways to do so that doesn't speceficcly have you calling the TO over into the situation which increases the likelyhood you get called on stalling and either you being sanctioned for it and/or your opponent getting a time extension. Furthermore stalling in the begining of a round is something that may backfire, as you would not know in the begining of a match whether you may be behind or ahead later in that match.

If you think this is an issue, you are delusional as far as the subject goes. I don't think you're delusional I just think you're being obtuse as far as the whole ID rule goes.

But guys ID is totes fine the WaaC guys told me so, it couldn't possibly be abused.

Sarcasm is good for blood pressure, but bad to convince others. ;-)

I see you've found the whole problem to requiring the TO to be there before ANY discussion about an ID could take place. It sounds to me like what your opponent is asking is within the rule and while you may know what his is going to do apparently you can't talk about it at all until the official is there.

Although it may lead to even more cries of COLLUSION!!! you should be able to ask if your opponent would entertain an ID before calling the TO over and wasting everyone's time. If there is no chance at accepting the ID then just play. It also gives the opponent a little more time to think about it which can then lead to a yes/no answer when formally asked instead of getting a deer in the headlight response that wants an immediate response before there has been time to process it.

while he can say he needs to wait for the TO to talk to you about ID, I don't think the rules allow you to say "I'm not setting up until the TO is here". so I would set up, then when the TO comes, if it was already 10 min into the round, I would say no I'm not ID, and then I would tell the TO "this guy intentionally stalled, I've been ready to play for 10 min while he hasn't even set up, he should get a penalty".

Just tell them you're not interested. If a TO would actually dq you for telling your opponent you're not interested in an ID you should probably not play in their tournaments anymore

Actually, inviting him to set up while you do so yourself is a good solution: if you draw in the end, you've got plenty of time to pack anyway. If you don't, he's only wasted the time needed for a single TO rules-check, not the implicit setup time as well.

If he refuses, you can then call him on stealing (with a TO right there!)... Or you can find out what his real reason was.

Uh, if the judge is called before you start the round, just ask for a time extension.

This is what happens in MTG when a judge needs to get involved for any length of time.

This advice applies to any situation involving a judge that you have to wait for, not just IDs.

Uhh...I think the main issue here is that the round timer isn't supposed to start until after all asteroids and ships have been placed. See "Squad Deployment Procedure" in the tournament rules. Setup time shouldn't be included in the round time limit.

If you want to prevent this from happening? Wear a t-shirt that says 'I'm all about the plays, 'bout the plays, no ID'.

Uhh...I think the main issue here is that the round timer isn't supposed to start until after all asteroids and ships have been placed. See "Squad Deployment Procedure" in the tournament rules. Setup time shouldn't be included in the round time limit.

Apologies for zombie-ing this up a bit, but this isn't a practical point of view at larger events.

As a TO, I am willing to give the entire player base 5-10 minutes to set up, but if both players are poking around and delaying set up, I cannot delay the entire round for these players.

We're expecting 8 rounds, cut to top 16. Best case scenario, those 8 rounds are going to take 12 hours. We can't accept slow set-up as a reason to delay further.