Round 1 and every round of the tournement(because he says he can):

T/O issues pairs I report to the table and begin to try and set up my oppenent asks me to wait and calls for a judge. We wait for the judge to report to the table my oppoenet thens state he would like ask if I would be willing to accept an intentional draw after wasting how ever much time it takes for the judge to come over because he is trying to start the round. His defence to what I view as stalling is "he states he was not allowed to ask me until the judge was present." Upon refusing we now begin to set up and begin I thinking about 10min late give or take 5 min. It is then I notice he is flying 4b's and a z and we have 60min left to play(looks fishy)

Any chance I can call him on stalling for following the rules and bringing a list that would appear to do better with less time then 75min?

Passive aggressiveness is off the charts!

Also, yes - you need to have the TO present for the ID. Who asks for an ID in the first round?

If he asks every round then yeah it sounds like a time wasting tactic to give his tanker ships an edge.

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Passive aggressiveness is off the charts!

Also, yes - you need to have the TO present for the ID. Who asks for an ID in the first round?

Someone who is trying to game the system my guess is in prep for a regional. Apparently he figures it will take min 5 for a judge to come over. Then 5.min for set up. Turning the 75min round into 60-65 min rounds. All legal according to him.

Passive aggressiveness is off the charts!

Also, yes - you need to have the TO present for the ID. Who asks for an ID in the first round?

Some people suggested that IDing first round can be used to give you an easier time for the rest of the tournament as, at least for round 2 (and hopefully the other rounds too), you're likely to be paired with easier opponents.

Passive aggressiveness is off the charts!

Also, yes - you need to have the TO present for the ID. Who asks for an ID in the first round?

Some people suggested that IDing first round can be used to give you an easier time for the rest of the tournament as, at least for round 2 (and hopefully the other rounds too), you're likely to be paired with easier opponents.

Would effectively put you in the looser breaker but ahead of all the loosers. Seems risky

Perfectly legal but (a) going to kill any chance of winning a sportsmanship prize, and (b) also likely to backfire.

If they're spending time figuring out how to game a rules set rather than practicing - you know - playing the *&&?!!!?# game.... I'll assume (a) doesn't matter to them.

(b) is an issue, though.

A 'tanky' build is good in theory but one of the lists you really need a plan to deal with is the Jumpmaster 5000 x 3 (well, any ordnance list - Howlrunner and Crack Shot TIE fighters applies too).

Since this squad delivers a massive damage 'spike' on turn 2 (or whatever the first turn of fire is), and is very likely to blow away a B-wing before it gets a chance to shoot, you're the one on the back foot rushing to catch up. Artificially 'gaming the system' to restrict the time you have to do this is at best unwise.

In addition, whilst you can do this, you risk something far more important if you do; annoying the TO. This is likely to be an issue if you keep calling him/her over for each game and will almost certainly backfire spectacularly if you actually do need a TO call in a subsequent game.

Also, usually if one table starts a little later at the events I've been to (say 5 or 10 minutes for a reason out of people's control) the TO will allow that game to run it's full length, as they have the time between rounds to have that happen (and a lot of games don't run full time usually)

So at least over here in the UK, the delay tactic wouldn't really work as the TO would just be like 'nah you guys can have the extra 5/10 as you started late'.

Perfectly legal but (a) going to kill any chance of winning a sportsmanship prize, and (b) also likely to backfire.

If they're spending time figuring out how to game a rules set rather than practicing - you know - playing the *&&?!!!?# game.... I'll assume (a) doesn't matter to them.

(b) is an issue, though.

A 'tanky' build is good in theory but one of the lists you really need a plan to deal with is the Jumpmaster 5000 x 3 (well, any ordnance list - Howlrunner and Crack Shot TIE fighters applies too).

Since this squad delivers a massive damage 'spike' on turn 2 (or whatever the first turn of fire is), and is very likely to blow away a B-wing before it gets a chance to shoot, you're the one on the back foot rushing to catch up. Artificially 'gaming the system' to restrict the time you have to do this is at best unwise.

In addition, whilst you can do this, you risk something far more important if you do; annoying the TO. This is likely to be an issue if you keep calling him/her over for each game and will almost certainly backfire spectacularly if you actually do need a TO call in a subsequent game.

He can see his/hers opponents list before calling over the to. Does not have to try it every round, but on ones he/she thinks that less time would be an advantage call the to over.

It is anither stupid consequence of the ID rule, a solution for a problem that never existed and created a bunch more problems.

If he asks every round then yeah it sounds like a time wasting tactic to give his tanker ships an edge.

And is still perfectly legal. Besides asking for an ID against a list which has an advantage is a natural move, against players who might wipe you off the board as well. If your list profits from the delay on top of it, all the better. Though if he really wanted to stall should have ask again after 20 minutes in the game. ;-)

Perfectly legal but (a) going to kill any chance of winning a sportsmanship prize, and (b) also likely to backfire.

If they're spending time figuring out how to game a rules set rather than practicing - you know - playing the *&&?!!!?# game.... I'll assume (a) doesn't matter to them.

(b) is an issue, though.

A 'tanky' build is good in theory but one of the lists you really need a plan to deal with is the Jumpmaster 5000 x 3 (well, any ordnance list - Howlrunner and Crack Shot TIE fighters applies too).

Since this squad delivers a massive damage 'spike' on turn 2 (or whatever the first turn of fire is), and is very likely to blow away a B-wing before it gets a chance to shoot, you're the one on the back foot rushing to catch up. Artificially 'gaming the system' to restrict the time you have to do this is at best unwise.

In addition, whilst you can do this, you risk something far more important if you do; annoying the TO. This is likely to be an issue if you keep calling him/her over for each game and will almost certainly backfire spectacularly if you actually do need a TO call in a subsequent game.

Just buy each time another expansion as well and the TO will be a lot less annoyed, because stores host games to sell stuff. If they are selling stuff to you, more power to you. And I am not saying bribe them. just make them feel good about your requests for IDs. *smile*

While i hope this never happens you can always flat out state you have no intention of drawing and you wish to play the game. You have stated your intent to play. No need to wait for a TO, now politely ask the guy to set up his ships. It takes 2 people to agree to the draw, If you deny him from the outset then there is no need to wait for a TO to get to the table because you have already stated your desire to play the game out.

While i hope this never happens you can always flat out state you have no intention of drawing and you wish to play the game. You have stated your intent to play. No need to wait for a TO, now politely ask the guy to set up his ships. It takes 2 people to agree to the draw, If you deny him from the outset then there is no need to wait for a TO to get to the table because you have already stated your desire to play the game out.

Which exactly what you can not do, because you have to wait for the TO to discuss this.

But there is absolutely nothing which says you can't announce that you won't ID to everyone in the presence of the TO before the tournament starts.

Cheers

Baaa

But there is absolutely nothing which says you can't announce that you won't ID to everyone in the presence of the TO before the tournament starts.

Cheers

Baaa

If you're lucky, the time is delayed, possibly longer than usual as you have a slightly confusing argument on top of waiting.

If you're not lucky, the TO will be a lunatic who actually agrees with him, and you're disqualified entirely for ridiculous rulings... And he advances anyway.

Either way, he gets what he wanted. So no, don't do this.

Next time in your situation, I suggest you inviting the guy for a coffee while waiting for the TO to come, talk for a while about his motives for asking a draw in the first round, show him some photos of your family, ask him his opinion about several ways of deploying asteroids and both your and his squad...

And then, when you already enjoyed a nice socializing time and you finally deploy, kill his Z-95 in the last minute. That's also perfectly legal.

But guys ID is totes fine the WaaC guys told me so, it couldn't possibly be abused.

If you're gonna do ID to time waste best have a partner so that two tables be calling the TO over.

No TO is going to do anything about a player refusing an ID not in thier presence. Most TOs are not idiots and will see that your "opponent" is stalling. You're just being pedantic and inventing non-scenarios.

No TO is going to do anything about a player refusing an ID not in thier presence. Most TOs are not idiots and will see that your "opponent" is stalling. You're just being pedantic and inventing non-scenarios.

This.

If you think categorically denying any possibility of taking an ID is something that will get you DQ'd then you are probably part of the problem. Get real, that TO would be a total asshat and he and his venue would be put on blast for that kind of stupidity. Anyway. Just play the games and make it known that you want to PLAY and this will never be an issue.

If your opponent wants a TO present before anything happens at the table, then insist that you both set up and prepare for a the game while you wait for the TO. He has no grounds to refuse this, other than stalling.
Once that is in order you can tell him: "If the reason you wants the TO over, I am not interested in that."

If he wants the ID, he now knows it wont be granted and the game can proceed without delay.
If he has another legitimate reason for the TO to be present, you will just have to wait.

Other than that, if he does it at every game/tournament just to stal, inform the TO that it is his MO and have the TO give him a warning for trying to stall.

This is ridiculous. The rules say the TO must be present for discussion prior to the agreement to ID. It does NOT restrict you from immediately disagreeing and telling your opponent to play.

I would tell my opponent politely not to waste the TOs or my time and get set up and expect him to comply. If not, he is stalling and I would complain about it.

I don't want to sound rude, but honestly, will this ever happen?

Discussing and coming up such absurd what-if scenarios is simply a waste of time and energy (as is probably the whole ID-discussion currently).

I've been at about 20 X-Wing tournaments so far, met a ton of new people and made a lot of new friends this way. I would consider none of my opponents interested in such bs, each of them was a nice, friendly and fair sportsman.

Having said that, but I honestly don't know which game you are playing when you have to consider such things.

simple when he calls a judge before the game has started ask why? and then say no I'm not interested. If he still calls a judge tell the judge you already said no and that they are time stalling you want extra time at the end of the game or your opponent disqualified ....

This is ridiculous. The rules say the TO must be present for discussion prior to the agreement to ID. It does NOT restrict you from immediately disagreeing and telling your opponent to play.

I would tell my opponent politely not to waste the TOs or my time and get set up and expect him to comply. If not, he is stalling and I would complain about it.

If he wants to make a statement which is super convincing and explains why it for your benefit to agree he has to wait for the TO to make it and has the right to make it as well. Under current FFG rules perfectly legit, even when I don't like it. I still would use it.