Ladies, Gentlemen, Bothans. Please stop with the ID whining. If you want to quit the game, quit, but to be totally honest how many of you have every played in a regional top 8? If you've never even been top 12 what does it matter? It doesn't effect you. Also I don't believe that many of you would do anything different had you been in that position. You can guarantee yourself a top 8 spot at regionals. three more games and you could have a bye at nationals. It's easy to be on the outside looking in saying "They should have played it out, how dare they secure their spots." But I bet more than once at any tournament, even just a seasonal one if you were at the cut you though.... how can I make the cut in the most conservative way possible. Are there some out there that don't care? Sure, but the people that don't care area also the ones that don't win at Worlds. Not saying you're not good, but I'm saying that for some winning X-wing is more than just a hobby that you might be good at, it is something that they want and need.

So stop crying about the ID, would have been any better had they played and never chosen TL and just used Focus and Evade tokens to make sure none of their ships died?

A simple fix would be making sure that the top 8 players at that time are not playing each other. Because both players could just as easily see that they will make the cut if they don't lose and just fly super conservative and never even talk about drawing the match out on purpose. Making the top players play each other every round really doesn't make a whole lot of sense anyway. So someone with a easier SOS makes the Top 8 because the guy in 4th lost to 3rd and the guy in 9th beat 10th? Is that really any better than was the top 8 before the top 8 cut making it?

So please, let it go. It happened, and will probably happen again. But that is the difference between competitive play and your Saturday pick up games.

Yes, please create another topic about that topic.

Yeeees, let it flow through you.

Also, no.

never thought I'd miss the whining about TLTs and then Jumpmasters

never thought I'd miss the whining about TLTs and then Jumpmasters

LOL!

And all the "when is the next wave coming" and "why don't we have another preview yet" whinefests. Oh, the good ole days.....

Ugh. So much elitism.

So people that haven't made a top 8 in a regionals don't get a vote on whether they think the tournament structure is good. Even if they are new, or just have aspirations of making a top 8 but haven't done it yet? New players, future players, or up and coming players should just keep their **** mouth shut, is that what I'm hearing? We winners get to make the rules about how we win.

Second, there are 2 separate ID issues:

1) Whether it is the best rule for fair and balanced tournament play.

2) Whether it is moral or ethical to take advantage of said rule while it exists.

I can wholeheartedly agree that #2 should just be dropped, but discussing the merits of the rule itself is entirely valid, and the issue absolutely should not be dropped.

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That really doesn't invalidate his opinion any more than not placing top 8 invalidates an opinion on tournament rules.

I assume this is someone who was too chicken to associate their elitist opinions with their normal username.

I like how you say a legitimate complain on an ethical problem with sportmanship is "whining". classy

pss, Pheaver is that you?

never thought I'd miss the whining about TLTs and then Jumpmasters

...but I'll take this over the endless PWT whining any day.

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That really doesn't invalidate his opinion any more than not placing top 8 invalidates an opinion on tournament rules.

I assume this is someone who was too chicken to associate their elitist opinions with their normal username.

Admittedly, this crossed my mind as well.

It's probably one of those Top 8 trying to salvage the soiled reputations they've acquired.

Of course, demeaning people for criticizing you probably isn't the best way to go about it.

I mean, the easy fix is giving TOs a set of criteria for approving IDs. If both players have already guaranteed themselves a spot in the elimination round, then an ID is acceptable and of no consequence. If either player does not have a guaranteed spot, then the game must be played.

Easy peasy, and ethical.

Being an insolent child and you: The x-wing story.

Crying until i get my way: The X-wing Continuation

99 Posts About the Same Stupid Thing One More Couldn't Hurt: X-wing the Revengencing

Better Make It 100 Too Much is Never Enough: X-wing ID Another day

FFG Has Ruled On This Issue, Yet Community Not Willing To Accept and Move on: Big Trouble in Little Minnesota

Dear God I Don't Think the Title of This Book Can Get Any Longer But it Seems That No One is Getting the Point: A story of Short Attention Spans and .... Is that A Cat in a Taco?

The issue isn't resolved yet, so it's still time to bring up the issue.

The issue isn't resolved yet, so it's still time to bring up the issue.

the issue has been resolved. FFG ruled on it.

"We are aware of the occurrence at a Regional Championship where four individual matches elected to agree to an intentional draw. While we are still collecting information, it initially appears that each match followed the procedure for intentional draws as detailed in the Tournament Regulations, calling for a leader prior to any discussion on the topic so that they could oversee each match's agreement.

We understand that intentional draws are a foreign or disliked concept for some players and fans of Organized Play, but it is our belief that they are a necessary inclusion to promote a fair play experience for all tournament players. As we build more compelling tournaments like the System Open Series, and offer more incredible prizes like travel to exclusive events, we must commit to embracing the differences between purely recreational play and tournament play.

We appreciate your feedback on this policy. We are taking steps to help increase the understanding and acceptance of the necessity of intentional draws being allowed in tournaments. Look for an article on this subject on our Organized Play page (www.fantasyflightgames.com/op) in the very near future, which will help valued community members like yourself explain and implement the change"

The issue isn't resolved yet, so it's still time to bring up the issue.

the issue has been resolved. FFG ruled on it.

They sent a couple people an email saying an official response is coming. They haven't officially announced that response yet.

It's probably one of those Top 8 trying to salvage the soiled reputations they've acquired.

Of course, demeaning people for criticizing you probably isn't the best way to go about it.

I mean, the easy fix is giving TOs a set of criteria for approving IDs. If both players have already guaranteed themselves a spot in the elimination round, then an ID is acceptable and of no consequence. If either player does not have a guaranteed spot, then the game must be played.

Easy peasy, and ethical.

This is exactly what I've been saying.

Thanks for creating a new account to tell us how horrible we all are.

The issue isn't resolved yet, so it's still time to bring up the issue.

the issue has been resolved. FFG ruled on it.

People should have stopped complaining about the Phantom. FFG ruled that decloaks happen during activation. End of story.

People should have not complained about using only FFG playmats. Was already decided.

Heck, the United States should have just stayed as a British colony forever then? Because it had been ruled upon by King George.

Those jerks should have stopped discussing it.

The issue isn't resolved yet, so it's still time to bring up the issue.

the issue has been resolved. FFG ruled on it.

FFG rules on, re-rules on, and sometimes re-re-rules on stuff with some regularity. Play mats? Damage decks? Feedback Array? Need I go on? I'm not saying that I don't appreciate FFG keeping up on things that are amiss and fixing what needs fixing (coughintentionaldrawscoughcough) because, as a longtime victim of GW, I truly truly truly do appreciate that. But they are not infallible, no matter what people think or how many times they imply such

The best part about these threads are the incredible analogies, each one more ludicrous than the last

We're up at least a few Godwin's, one reference to slavery and now the American revolution

Take it down a bit guys. It's a glitch in a faulty game system, and nothing more outside of perhaps a testament to how comfortable our lives are if THIS issue merits such overblown comparisons to matters of historical significance

Petition ffg to change the rules, assuming they aren't already, and try not to elevate this issue to such laughable heights that it does not deserve to occupy

The best part about these threads are the incredible analogies, each one more ludicrous than the last

We're up at least a few Godwin's, one reference to slavery and now the American revolution

Take it down a bit guys. It's a glitch in a faulty game system, and nothing more outside of perhaps a testament to how comfortable our lives are if THIS issue merits such overblown comparisons to matters of historical significance

Petition ffg to change the rules, assuming they aren't already, and try not to elevate this issue to such laughable heights that it does not deserve to occupy

You heard it here first, #OccupyDegobah

The best part about these threads are the incredible analogies, each one more ludicrous than the last

We're up at least a few Godwin's, one reference to slavery and now the American revolution

Take it down a bit guys. It's a glitch in a faulty game system, and nothing more outside of perhaps a testament to how comfortable our lives are if THIS issue merits such overblown comparisons to matters of historical significance

Petition ffg to change the rules, assuming they aren't already, and try not to elevate this issue to such laughable heights that it does not deserve to occupy

you misunderstand. if somebody tells you to stop whining and submit to authority, whether a small company authority or a government authority, when you're exercising your human freedom to express your opinion, people take it seriously and rightly draw comparisons in history where non compliance was the right thing to do.

Eggsellent posts A_W, eggsellent indeed. All of them.

Can you make it a dozen?

this is from him