Be Excellent to Each Other

By Ailowynn, in X-Wing

In light of all the exploding opinions and clashing personalities that have emerge over the last few days, I think it might be time to take a lesson from Bill and Ted --

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(Oh, and if you don't get the reference, you absolutely HAVE to go watch Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure. Go ahead. Right now. Look it up on Netflix. Watch it, be amazed, and then jump in your tiny little American phone box and time travel back to this instant).

Seriously, folks, there's no reason to get so angry over a game that we all like to play. Or rather, there's little reason to stay so angry over it. Of course X-Wing is super important to everyone here -- let's not discount that -- but vitriol won't solve anything.

Just remember: you can get passionate over the game, but let's stay civil to each other. You can disagree with a person's opinions and even their behavior, but one transgression does not justify eternal outrage. Forgive even if you don't forget.

There's been a lot of debate about what it means to "Fly Casual" over the past week or so. And to be honest, I don't have the answer. When does flying casual get in the way of actually playing the game? I don't think it's right to advocate that we ignore the rules in some situations, and so on; that's just a playstyle thing (and it's not even necessarily moral from a consequentialist point of view).

But we can advocate for making sure that you're decent to your fellow X-Wing players, regardless of what's happening in game.

So yeah. Just remember--

Be excellent to each other. And party on, dudes!

(And inb4 all the "there's already a million threads on this topic" complaints . . . do take notice that I've avoided mentioning IDs specifically. They've just brought to light a nasty spot that's been festering in the community, and I think it's important to address that. So . . . sorrynotsorry.)

These are much better words to live by than "Fly Casual". Especially right now, right here.

Edited by Biophysical

I try to do this in games.

The problem is when my opponent or someone observing the game considers denying a missed trigger to be impoliteness and responds with anger or insults.

I want to co-opt "Fly Casual" to mean "You should fly casual games of X-wing, not 100 pt tournament mode". :)

I want to co-opt "Fly Casual" to mean "You should fly casual games of X-wing, not 100 pt tournament mode". :)

You might as well. I have a feeling that attempts to use it in its (presumed) original meaning are going to be especially hollow after hothie's "you people are not flying casual!" rage-out.

This. So much. Too many people are forgetting that it is possible to disagree with someone and still be civil about it.

I will be excellent to all my opponents because they are human beings worthy of a basic level of respect and courteousy until they do something I see as morally not excellent in which case I will hold personal judgement to them that I won't feel the need to attack them about or divulge publicly, because how I feel about them is my deal and no one else's.

I will also expect them to fly excellent as I fly excellent but give a chance if they are stressed or overwhelmed and might need a reminder or two on how to excellently work with their list.

I think it's excellent that you guys are doing this totally rad post about how bogus personal attacks are and how players might learn to interact in a bodacious way.

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Wyld Stallyns are about to save the world.

*awesome air guitar noises*

Man, I wish my podcast was coming out this week. It would be perfect. Next week should do it...I think.

That's the family friendly version, the grown-up version is "Don't be a ****".

Really... that's masked? Well it starts with a "D" and rhymes with lick.

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That's the family friendly version, the grown-up version is "Don't be a ****".

Really... that's masked? Well it starts with a "D" and rhymes with lick.

You can say ***** with impunity.

Maybe I missed something, but what gives?

I want to co-opt "Fly Casual" to mean "You should fly casual games of X-wing, not 100 pt tournament mode". :)

You might as well. I have a feeling that attempts to use it in its (presumed) original meaning are going to be especially hollow after hothie's "you people are not flying casual!" rage-out.

Yeah, pretty much this. Fly Casual is getting to mixed up in too many things, and hothie -- the great proponent of Fly Casual -- has not really been helping with all of the . . . slander.

So yeah. Glad to see I'm not the only one thinking along these lines. Flying casual gets mixed up in a lot of rubbish, when the whole sentiment is just to ensure that everyone is having fun.

Maybe I missed something, but what gives?

You want the long version, or the short version? Basically a bunch of arguments blew up over intentional draws, leading to no small amount of personal attacks -- much of it based on people's sentiment that taking an intentional draw is fundamentally anti-Fly Casual.

You want the long version, or the short version? Basically a bunch of arguments blew up over intentional draws, leading to no small amount of personal attacks -- much of it based on people's sentiment that taking an intentional draw is fundamentally anti-Fly Casual.

In all fairness I think most people are unhappy with the ID rules and their implementation more than the players themselves (I'm in that camp). Granted, there were a number (too many) personal disparagements thrown around as a result of the Roanoke Incident - but those were actually pretty small in number (not making excuses for the naysayers) compared to the number of players unhappy with the rules as they are.

You want the long version, or the short version? Basically a bunch of arguments blew up over intentional draws, leading to no small amount of personal attacks -- much of it based on people's sentiment that taking an intentional draw is fundamentally anti-Fly Casual.

In all fairness I think most people are unhappy with the ID rules and their implementation more than the players themselves (I'm in that camp). Granted, there were a number (too many) personal disparagements thrown around as a result of the Roanoke Incident - but those were actually pretty small in number (not making excuses for the naysayers) compared to the number of players unhappy with the rules as they are.

Absolutely. And I want to encourage the former -- get angry at the game, if you want, but not at the players. There may not be a whole lot of hate, but it's a lot louder than anything else.

That's the family friendly version, the grown-up version is "Don't be a ****".

Really... that's masked? Well it starts with a "D" and rhymes with lick.

You can say ***** with impunity.

How should we discuss the Scimitar Assault Bomber otherwise? Important Star Wars related vocabulary.

I try to do this in games.

The problem is when my opponent or someone observing the game considers denying a missed trigger to be impoliteness and responds with anger or insults.

It would depend on if its a casual game or a tournament setting. I have made mistakes with the dial when I was still learning, like 4 games into the system. my opponent didnt let me do what I meant to do, it was obvious what I meant to do. It set the tone for the rest of the match, which really annoyed me as I didnt want to play that way, but I wasnt going to let them off if they made a mistake. *** for Tat and all that.