Tetherys Feat + Repeating Crossbow

By Charmy, in Descent: Journeys in the Dark

This question came up recently, and I'd like to get people's opinion on it.

What happens if Tetherys uses her Heroic Feat and surges on the attack with the Repeating Crossbow.

The Repeating Crossbow surge states: The attack affects 1 additional figure adjacent to your target.

The feat states: Use after rolling your attack dice to choose 2 additional valid targets for that attack.

Does the hero get to add 1 additional figure for each target? Or does just 1 figure get to be chosen? Can a figure that is already being targeted be affected by the surge, resulting in them being hit twice?

I'm currently ruling that the surge allows 1 additional figure to be affected, from 1 of the 3 targets, and that figure cannot be one of the ones already targeted by the attack. This is most restrictive ruling. This basically interprets "your target" as meaning "your target(s)", and also uses the general rule that a figure can only be affected by any given attack once (e.g. you can't path fire breath over the same figure multiple times to hit them more than once).

However, I can see arguments for others. For example, a knight can be affected by the same attack multiple times if they are using Defend to protect an ally when they are both being hit by the "Fire" attack of an Elemental.

Thoughts appreciated!

Edited by Charmy

Charmy your interpretation appears completely valid to me and were I playing the role of a hero with you as OL, I'd probably accept it without complain or argument. However, I feel your ruling might be a little stingy at the expense of your heroes. As OL I think I'd be loathe to limit the surge on the crossbow like that. What do I mean? Well if the surge gave +3 damage I doubt you'd want to limit the +3 to a single target. You'd probably let the additional damage affect all three right?

To me it seems as though the heroic feat allows for 3 targets. Each target should have to suffer the wrath of the surge. If the "attack affects 1 additional figure adjacent to your target" and there are 3 targets, I'd let my heroes talk me into allowing 1 additional adjacent figure for each target so that a possible 6 monsters end up rolling defense dice.

However, no way and under no circumstances do I allow any of those attacks to stack and hit the same monster more than once. There are 3 targets, but they need to find 3 "additional adjacent figures" to be affected.

I think I'd use the same ruling if the surge ability was "this attack gains blast" Go ahead and blast the whole room, but my monsters are rolling defense dice a maximum of one time to defend against your one attack.These effects are obviously intended to allow multiple monsters to be attacked simultaneously by a single attack, but the attacks should never stack, or else the heroic would simply read. "make 3 attacks"

Thats my two cents for what it's worth.

You cannot attack the same target twice with one attack roll. Attack and defense are binaries, one roll for attack, one roll for defense.

On Defend:

"Q: When monster uses skills like Flail, Leap, which target number of heroes, one of which is Knight, can Knight use Defend? What will the effect be? The figure cannot be attacked by the same attack twice, so does it cancel out one of targets?

A: Yes, the Knight may use Defend against attacks that target multiple heroes. This is a fine distinction of nomenclature between "targeting" and "targeted by". Technically, the (let's say merriod) merriod is targeting 2 different heroes, one of which is the Knight. The Knight uses defend to declare himself the target of the other attack as well, so both attacks affect him, and he rolls his defense dice once for each attack."

Edited by kraisto

Thanks for the thread post Kraisto.

I already knew about the Knight's Defend ruling, but its a good reference.

The consensus does seem to be that you cannot hit the same target multiple times with a single attack, (Defend being a unique exception) so my instinct on that ruling was correct.

Unfortunately, the thread only answered half of my question.

The question remains whether Tetherys' heroic feat allows potentially 3 additional targets to be hit thanks to the Repeating Crossbow's surge, or just 1.

Edited by Charmy

As someone who just finished a campaign with Tetherys the Bounty Hunter, with a Repeating crossbow, I'm pretty sure it's 1 figure total.

If you wanted an official answer to this, I am moderately certain you could find it, because I think it has been answered in the: case of the hexer's base skill (surge: hex 1 monster within 3 spaces of your target) and a multi-attack mage.

As nitpicky as it sounds, I think this is different for the repeating crossbow than say... blasting rune. The reason being, repeater specifies "1 additional monster" whereas blast says "EACH monster adjacent to the target space is affected".

I am, however, 100% sure (as has been said) that even if Tetherys had two targets adjacent to each other, the repeating crossbow would not allow any single monster to be hit twice.

Edited by Zaltyre

I'm a little confused on the second surge of the crossbow (The attack affects 1 "additional" figure adjacent to your target). The heroic feat of Theterys allow two valid targets,so you can bring damage to four enemies (one adjacent for each main target of the attack) ?

Edited by kraisto
My thoughts: While the feat allows for multiple targets, it is still one single attack. And the crossbow states that the attack (the single event of one attack happening) may have one additional target. So, that allows in 4 affected targets max.

If the crossbow just said: 'Choose one additional target' things would get tricky. But it doesn't, it clearly says that the one attack that is being made (with multiple targets) may affect an additional target.

Found it: this question was answered in 2013 regarsing enfeebling hex and widow tarha, which is the exact same phrasing:

https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1027508/widow-tarha-enfeebling-hex

To put it in other words, you pick one space adjacent to the target space to be affected. Having two targets spaces doesn't magically let you pick twice, it just gives you a wider selection as you can choose 1 figure adjacent to any of the targets (more spaces fit the criteria).

Blast is different, because there is no selection. If a space is adjacent to the target space, it is affected. There are 3x as many target spaces, so up to 3x more blasted spaces.

Edited by Zaltyre

Found it: this question was answered in 2013 regarsing enfeebling hex and widow tarha, which is the exact same phrasing:

https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1027508/widow-tarha-enfeebling-hex

To put it in other words, you pick one space adjacent to the target space to be affected. Having two targets spaces doesn't magically let you pick twice, it just gives you a wider selection as you can choose 1 figure adjacent to any of the targets (more spaces fit the criteria).

Blast is different, because there is no selection. If a space is adjacent to the target space, it is affected. There are 3x as many target spaces, so up to 3x more blasted spaces.

Hmm, the wording is the same, so that's good enough for me.

Looks like my most restrictive ruling was the right ruling :) Sorry heroes!

I think what you meant to say was, "no, you did not just find a way to kill ALL teh monsterz. Sorry heroes!"

Seriously, though. Tetherys + repeating crossbow + rapid fire is brutal. Also she can heroic feat long shot, which is NUTS.

Edited by Zaltyre

Found it: this question was answered in 2013 regarsing enfeebling hex and widow tarha, which is the exact same phrasing:

https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1027508/widow-tarha-enfeebling-hex

To put it in other words, you pick one space adjacent to the target space to be affected. Having two targets spaces doesn't magically let you pick twice, it just gives you a wider selection as you can choose 1 figure adjacent to any of the targets (more spaces fit the criteria).

Blast is different, because there is no selection. If a space is adjacent to the target space, it is affected. There are 3x as many target spaces, so up to 3x more blasted spaces.

Makes sense too. One more for the Overlord“s Book of Killjoy :P

Edited by kraisto