you see a preponderance of PalpAces as you watch players arrive

This is something that the other players, having already arrived with their PalpAces lists, did not have the benefit of doing. They, as everyone should, built for what they thought their best chance would be against what lists they thought would show up. If you [figurative, not "you, Paul"] have List A that's great against everything but PalpAces, and List B that's great against PalpAces but no so much against everything else, and you show up and see the field is 80% PalpAces before choosing a list, that is an unfair advantage. The other players made had to make their choice without that information, what makes you so special? If it's OK for one person, then it's OK for everyone, and we're back to the situation I described earlier where everyone's too busy swapping lists to even play any games. Meta-gaming is as much a part of competitive tournaments as list-building.

And ObiWonka's original complaint struck me as all the more curious, now that we have the "Hangar Bay" format, where you arrive with two lists and have a prescribed blind method of choosing between them.

It shouldn't be 'curious' because it's about a different format. Bringing two lists and choosing the best for your match-up which, per the rules, you're allowed to know beforehand is the point of "Hangar Bay". Not so for 100-point dogfights.

And echoing Kdubb, it's nice to have civil discussion around here.

I am not even going to bother reading the rest of this thread before I post...

WTF?

As a cast member of NOVA Squadron Radio get a grip, I will be writing a blog article tomorrow when I am off work as I am prepping for the Monday Night X-Wing show tonight.

Other than being a guy who talks crap on the Podcast, who has repeatedly said that I don't know why people listen to me I don't know how I, or some of the other members of the cast have gotten lumped in to this situation.

If you don't want to listen to this show because you don't like the content I don't have any problem with that.

Deciding that you don't like the Podcast because some people in the NOVA Squadron Facebook group decided to take advantage of a rule, one of whom happens to be the World Champion and a recurring guest on the NOVA Squadron Radio Podcast seems a bit of a stretch. Lets ignore the fact that Paul Heaver could have actually conceded his game and still made the cut, both him and his opponent were 5-0 they were already locked in.

Personally I enjoy giving up every other Thursday so that I can stay up late and chat about X-Wing, I must be the worst Win At All Costs player ever having never won a real X-Wing event. Repeatedly letting my opponents have missed actions and never asking for my own take backs seems fairly Win at all costs, as does taking the time to create content for the community on how to get better so that you guys are actually better players than I am because I spend all my free time commentating on games, and editing videos instead of actually practicing myself.

You are more than welcome to your opinions on what happened, and you can only feel how you feel but really?

I will put myself up as an example of how a member of this "community"should act next to any of the people taking cheap shots on the internet any day of the week!

There is a reason I never HIDE behind an internet handle. I stand behind what I type, or say. If you take umbrage to it I am more than happy to own it as I do all of my mistakes.

Kris Sherriff

A Proud contributor to NOVA Squadron Radio.

I don't know if this was directed at me, but anything I've said in this thread has been 0% about Paul Heaver and 100% about the other guys on the podcast and stuff they have publicly admitted to on said podcast.

It's almost as if-

-oh, nevermind.

Deciding that you don't like the Podcast because some people in the NOVA Squadron Facebook group decided to take advantage of a rule, one of whom happens to be the World Champion and a recurring guest on the NOVA Squadron Radio Podcast seems a bit of a stretch. Lets ignore the fact that Paul Heaver could have actually conceded his game and still made the cut, both him and his opponent were 5-0 they were already locked in.

I don't know if this was directed at me, but anything I've said in this thread has been 0% about Paul Heaver and 100% about the other guys on the podcast and stuff they have publicly admitted to on said podcast.

It's almost as if-

I am not even going to bother reading the rest of this thread before I post...

-oh, nevermind.

This was not directed at any one individual, but feel free to edit the quote to remove the part where I say

If you don't want to listen to this show because you don't like the content I don't have any problem with that.

Ultimately you are free to feel how you feel and like (or not like) anything for whatever reasons you choose but lumping all of us together and throwing around labels is a little unfair.

Kris

Ultimately you are free to feel how you feel and like (or not like) anything for whatever reasons you choose but lumping all of us together and throwing around labels is a little unfair.

Well it's kinda hard not to lump you into a "listen or don't" choice when you're all on the same show. I'm sorry this deprives you of an audience member, but if I can hear the sweet, sweet voice of Kris Sherriff anywhere else, let me know.

Deciding that you don't like the Podcast because some people in the NOVA Squadron Facebook group decided to take advantage of a rule, one of whom happens to be the World Champion and a recurring guest on the NOVA Squadron Radio Podcast seems a bit of a stretch. Lets ignore the fact that Paul Heaver could have actually conceded his game and still made the cut, both him and his opponent were 5-0 they were already locked in.

I don't know if this was directed at me, but anything I've said in this thread has been 0% about Paul Heaver and 100% about the other guys on the podcast and stuff they have publicly admitted to on said podcast.

It's almost as if-

I am not even going to bother reading the rest of this thread before I post...

-oh, nevermind.

This was not directed at any one individual, but feel free to edit the quote to remove the part where I say

If you don't want to listen to this show because you don't like the content I don't have any problem with that.

Ultimately you are free to feel how you feel and like (or not like) anything for whatever reasons you choose but lumping all of us together and throwing around labels is a little unfair.

Kris

Kris;

My question is, why post this is in this thread and not in the thread where people are really going off on the podcasts and people etc.? This has been, for the most part, a very casual discussion.

Tim Hilton

Kris is the voice of reason on the show and often differs in opinion from the, uh, more "competitively-minded" podcast members.

Ultimately you are free to feel how you feel and like (or not like) anything for whatever reasons you choose but lumping all of us together and throwing around labels is a little unfair.

Well it's kinda hard not to lump you into a "listen or don't" choice when you're all on the same show. I'm sorry this deprives you of an audience member, but if I can hear the sweet, sweet voice of Kris Sherriff anywhere else, let me know.

https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/topic/217000-monday-night-gaming-x-wing/

And, as a bonus, you often get to gaze upon his visage!

...Ok I get that people are upset about this but there are nine separate threads on this exact topic active on the first page of the forums. Can we try and condense things down a bit?

...Ok I get that people are upset about this but there are nine separate threads on this exact topic active on the first page of the forums. Can we try and condense things down a bit?

Shotguns have a better chance at hitting a target whose position is not clearly known.

Deciding that you don't like the Podcast because some people in the NOVA Squadron Facebook group decided to take advantage of a rule, one of whom happens to be the World Champion and a recurring guest on the NOVA Squadron Radio Podcast seems a bit of a stretch. Lets ignore the fact that Paul Heaver could have actually conceded his game and still made the cut, both him and his opponent were 5-0 they were already locked in.

I don't know if this was directed at me, but anything I've said in this thread has been 0% about Paul Heaver and 100% about the other guys on the podcast and stuff they have publicly admitted to on said podcast.

It's almost as if-

I am not even going to bother reading the rest of this thread before I post...

-oh, nevermind.

This was not directed at any one individual, but feel free to edit the quote to remove the part where I say

If you don't want to listen to this show because you don't like the content I don't have any problem with that.

Ultimately you are free to feel how you feel and like (or not like) anything for whatever reasons you choose but lumping all of us together and throwing around labels is a little unfair.

Kris

Kris;

My question is, why post this is in this thread and not in the thread where people are really going off on the podcasts and people etc.? This has been, for the most part, a very casual discussion.

Tim Hilton

I have real life today, picking up my mum from the airport and sorting out players for tonight's stream.

I have not seen any other thread (but I have not looked) so feel free to direct me to it or quote me directly.

I will try to put my side across and stand behind it (and in front of some of the less vocal cast members) as I always do. Unfortunately life has happened today, so if you guys feel I am stirring the wrong pot I apologise.

Kris

I have real life today, picking up my mum from the airport and sorting out players for tonight's stream.

I have not seen any other thread (but I have not looked) so feel free to direct me to it or quote me directly.

I will try to put my side across and stand behind it (and in front of some of the less vocal cast members) as I always do. Unfortunately life has happened today, so if you guys feel I am stirring the wrong pot I apologise.

Kris

Totally understandable, the thread here is the one where everyone is really going nutso. TBH though, I think its time that we try and move on a bit. I think that the community as a whole has torn itself apart pretty bad over the last 48 hours.

I personally feel sickened by things posted by both sides (not yours as you have legitimate grievance). I love this game, I love this community, I sorta like those podcasts thingies (JK I listen to NOVA and BTD as soon as they come out) but these last couple days have been pretty demoralizing.

I am going to the New York regional this weekend. I am going to pretend that this whole fracas (man I love that word) is done with. Team Awesome will be drinking pints at the lunch break per usual. Whoever else is there that wants to partake, find us at the event.

I hope that your real life events go well sir, and look forward to watching the twitch a bit later.

Ultimately you are free to feel how you feel and like (or not like) anything for whatever reasons you choose but lumping all of us together and throwing around labels is a little unfair.

Well it's kinda hard not to lump you into a "listen or don't" choice when you're all on the same show. I'm sorry this deprives you of an audience member, but if I can hear the sweet, sweet voice of Kris Sherriff anywhere else, let me know.

https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/topic/217000-monday-night-gaming-x-wing/

And, as a bonus, you often get to gaze upon his visage!

Heard of it, never looked into it, didn't realize MNG and KS were connected. Thanks!

I'd like to add my thanks to the OP for this thread rather than just a 'like'.

It saddens me that personal attacks happened as a result of 'Roanokegate'. The ID rule is not good as I believe it would be a first step to elitism. I harbour no ill feelings towards the eight who took the ID, I don't know them. They have conducted themselves within the rules as written and fair enough but like others I don't have to like that decision. I don't like using "play better and win all your games" as a defence for ID, unfortunately that isn't possible for everyone for many reasons.

I think the worse possible outcome is if nothing is learned from this - FFG need to address the rule (personally I think just get rid of ID, but I'm sure there are other alternatives) and quickly, even if they just put up an acknowledgement that they're looking onto it.

All the best.

Just one of the ways I try to build the community I try not to ride NOVA Squadron Radios coat tails too hard as I am my own man

Kris

Your reason for doing it is exactly the reason I assumed all "Eight Men Out" had. (I so wish I had not been wrong.)

Your assumption as to the other seven's motivation is exactly the assumption that I made.

Your post is eloquent, succinct, humble, and (to the extent I can Sense Motive) true.

For my part, I now regret and apologize for any statement or post I've made, in speaking out against the incident or ID in general, that included you by association, and I will explicitly exclude you (not by name, unless you prefer) in anything I say or post in the future.

Thank you.

Here's a thought. Turn your squad list in and have it prepped and waiting in a concealed bag or container. Meanwhile have a completely different list sitting on the table in front of you while you wait for round 1 to be called. Put decoy list away and deploy your real list.

I want to say THANK YOU to the original poster for this well written and brave post.

Team Covenant might be a good place to post this. Also it was mentioned in the Scum and Villainy podcast.

I'm good with a group protest on a rather important rule to show your displeasure, however I think it is great you stood up for yourself in throwing this out here.

I'll reserve final judgment until the Top 16 results (points and MOV only) from the event are posted. My initial concern is the T.O.'s decision to allow all 8 players to ID their matches. As I understand it, the 9-16 seeded players all had 15 points or less so they had to win their final round of Swiss and hope MOV would get them into the Top 8. So far I've been able to extract the Top 8 results as follows:

#1 Swiss, 26 / 887
#2 Swiss, 26 / 847
#3 Swiss, 21 / 904
#4 Swiss, 21 / 867
#5 Swiss, 21 / 854
#6 Swiss, 21 / 771
#7 Swiss, 21 / 741
#8 Swiss, 21 / 730

I have zero issue with the Top 2 players IDing their match and I imagine the MOV of the #3-#6 players was so high the final round of Swiss results didn't matter. If; however, a mathematical chance that the #7 or #8 player could have been bumped by a lower seed it's the responsibility of the TO (or his designated representative) to intervene. Players do not have the authority to ID a match without a "leader" and they are there to protect the integrity of the tournament.

As someone who was actually there and was affected by the IDs I'll weigh in....

I was 3-2 going into round 6. one of my losses was a modified loss. my 3 wins were 100-0. So my MOV was pretty good though my record didnt reflect it as much. I support the ID rule...for players entering round 6 undefeated. if youre 4-1 entering round 6 i dont think you should be rewarded on the same level as someone who was undefeated. it is quite possible that a 4-1 player loses in round 6 and a 3-2 player wins and leapfrogs the 4-1 player by MOV. having said that I dont blame the players for what they did. I would have done the same given the construct of the rules at the time. however,if youre not undefeated you should play out your last match before the cut. my two cents...on a side note im local to the NoVa area and play against these guys a lot. they are very good guys, good players, and fun to play against. anyone who slams them and has never met them or played in this tournament for that matter shouldnt really weigh in against the players. against the rule sure but not against the players. I am a little disappointed with duncan choice to incite people on FB but ill chalk that one up to youth. hes a good guy from a good family

Hi,

nice posting from the OP. It's good to see his view of the situation and get the input about his opinion.

What I don't like in this thread is the blaming of a whole community for the actions of a few (No matter what hey did).

My opinion about ID: I don't like the ID rule. But if FFG makes this rule, it's OK to follow it. In my opinion (Just mine, it's fine if yours differs) you can't blame a player for using a rule, no matter how much you dislike it. I blame FFG for a bad rule, not the players who follow it. On the other side: It's FFGs prerogative to define the rules. We might not like it and can show it by no longer buying their products, but it is their product so they make the rules. And if they rule only pink fighters can be used in a tournament, well I have to get new paint then if I want to play at one.

What I want to say: Don't focus your ire on players, if you need to direct your anger somewhere, focus it at FFG for implementing this rule.

We have a great community and should not let something like this take the fun out of the game for us. And on a side note: It might make more sense to collect ideas how to fix this and send them to FFG than to rant endlessly about the situation .

Kind regards from Germany

Alarith

Hi OP

Thanks for your post. I feel foryou and yoursituation. The same sort of considerations would have been running through my mind. You made a decision and it sounds like you're learning from it. That's good enough. Don't beat yourself up too much.