In the tournament rules collusion is absolutely forbidden.Sure IDs are lame, but those involved in yesterday's stunt should be banned for what they did at the Regional yesterday.

Once again this is about collusion, not IDs

Yay, another thread.

OMFG, another thread. And again someone who doesn't know what collusion means. Collusion is done in secret and illegally. This is in the rules currently and therefore not collusion.

So them intentionally planning ahead of time to ID to send a message is okay because they're sending a message.

Got it

This REALLY didn't need another thread. This is taking a nasty turn in the wrong directions.

So them intentionally planning ahead of time to ID to send a message is okay because they're sending a message.

Got it

That isn't what happened by anyone's actual account of the event.

So them intentionally planning ahead of time to ID to send a message is okay because they're sending a message.

Got it

Except that didn't happen. Stop spreading rumours.

You want to make the cut.

You have 25 or 20 points after five rounds.

You see a ranking that shows two people at 25 points and six at 20 points with the next at 15 points.

You do a little math in your head: 20+1=21 >> 15+5=20.

You EASILY come the conclusion that if you want to make the cut taking a draw is the best choice as it eliminates and hassle that tie breakers could bring.

Now you have eight players that can easily come up with this same thought so seeing them all take IDs is perfectly logical.

Although I'm guessing it didn't happen the tournament could have started the elimination rounds immediately after that last round of swiss (if not earlier) allowing everyone the chance to get home sooner.

This deserves threads because FFG needs to know that people are simply deciding to stop playing while the rule lives.

Yes, because one more thread on this forum will most certainly trump any reports from the event from the people that were actually there.

Duh.

Yes, because one more thread on this forum will most certainly trump any reports from the event from the people that were actually there.

Duh.

it worked when people were not happy when scum was first introduced and people didn't like the rule requiring you to use dials for the faction you where playing.

Yes, because one more thread on this forum will most certainly trump any reports from the event from the people that were actually there.

Duh.

It worked when people complained about the new damage deck being the only one allowed for tournement play.

it worked when people were not happy when scum was first introduced and people didn't like the rule requiring you to use dials for the faction you where playing.

Those are some very different things.

The dial issue wasn't even a thing for a single day.

This deserves threads because FFG needs to know that people are simply deciding to stop playing while the rule lives.

I have a hard time believing that people will stop playing due to this rule.

Yes, because one more thread on this forum will most certainly trump any reports from the event from the people that were actually there.

Duh.

It worked when people complained about the new damage deck being the only one allowed for tournement play.

it worked when people were not happy when scum was first introduced and people didn't like the rule requiring you to use dials for the faction you where playing.

It worked with TLTs. It worked with primary weapon turrets. It worked with swarm.

Wait a minute...

Perhaps one of the podcasts could cover this? Time to call in the X-wing Alliance to session about this tragedy that has occurred ehich started right here with the taxation of trade routes and has now engulf our entire torunament season.

Oh I suspect this will come up on several podcasts considering contributing members of several podcasts were implicated in this event.

Oh I suspect this will come up on several podcasts considering contributing members of several podcasts were implicated in this event.

Which ones? Both the implemented podcast members and those that will cover it?

Yes, because one more thread on this forum will most certainly trump any reports from the event from the people that were actually there.Duh.

It worked when people complained about the new damage deck being the only one allowed for tournement play.

it worked when people were not happy when scum was first introduced and people didn't like the rule requiring you to use dials for the faction you where playing.

...I thought it was Croatoan, not collusion, but whatever.

Oh I suspect this will come up on several podcasts considering contributing members of several podcasts were implicated in this event.

Which ones? Both the implemented podcast members and those that will cover it?

I'd rather not get any more specific, sorry. I wasn't there, don't know any of them personally, and would rather not get involved in their reputations nor the tarnishing thereof.

But needless to say, unless this is addressed and resolved by FFG before the recording of podcasts I imagine they'll want to cover this issue. Unless, of course, this whole thing gets so ugly that nobody will want to pick the scab.

In the tournament rules collusion is absolutely forbidden.Sure IDs are lame, but those involved in yesterday's stunt should be banned for what they did at the Regional yesterday.

Once again this is about collusion, not IDs

Collusion is forbidden. As a practical matter, however, the definition of collusion is up to FFG--and by first introducing the ID rule, and then allowing it to be used this way at Adepticon/Hoth Open, they set a very clear precedent.

ID is a very bad rule, but pretending people are somehow breaking the rules by using it is a distraction at best.

My take:

You cannot be mad at someone who followed the rules and used them to their own advantage.

Thats like saying, well building a scout list with torps is not allowed, or using the phantom before the nerf is not allowed. It's in the rules!

Yes FFG should do something, I'm sure they will.

Right now it's legal and yes I don't like it, but I cannot blame them for doing it. Because it's in the rules.

Collusion is forbidden. As a practical matter, however, the definition of collusion is up to FFG--and by first introducing the ID rule, and then allowing it to be used this way at Adepticon/Hoth Open, they set a very clear precedent.

Surely that is covered by the "to manipulate scoring" part? Collusion is just the two parties agreeing, but the intent seems unarguable with the comments we've had so far.

In the tournament rules collusion is absolutely forbidden.Sure IDs are lame, but those involved in yesterday's stunt should be banned for what they did at the Regional yesterday.

Once again this is about collusion, not IDs

Collusion is forbidden. As a practical matter, however, the definition of collusion is up to FFG--and by first introducing the ID rule, and then allowing it to be used this way at Adepticon/Hoth Open, they set a very clear precedent.

ID is a very bad rule, but pretending people are somehow breaking the rules by using it is a distraction at best.

I strongly disagree to this, FFG makes the rules, but as a TO they are bound by those rules as well, anything else is just arbitrary tournament ruling. Allowing them to redefine words to suit their desired results is nothing else. You would not want to create some unopposed precedence for that, now would you?

Besides, I am happily looking forward for IDs in the finals of tourneys now. Players should be smart enough to come to the conclusion that both getting prices and title is a smarter move than to risk losing titles and prices, right? And top of that it would be a good way to have someone else beside Heaver to become world champion and has Heaver apparently does not lose, but does ID … ;-)

You want to make the cut.

You have 25 or 20 points after five rounds.

You see a ranking that shows two people at 25 points and six at 20 points with the next at 15 points.

You do a little math in your head: 20+1=21 >> 15+5=20.

You EASILY come the conclusion that if you want to make the cut taking a draw is the best choice as it eliminates and hassle that tie breakers could bring.

Now you have eight players that can easily come up with this same thought so seeing them all take IDs is perfectly logical.

Although I'm guessing it didn't happen the tournament could have started the elimination rounds immediately after that last round of swiss (if not earlier) allowing everyone the chance to get home sooner.

I wish this would get more visibility. My understanding of the Roanoke results is that all the players with 20 points would have obviously benefited from taking an ID, and that it didn't matter whether other tables took ID or played out the game normally.

It does lead to undesirable tournament results (e.g., the 9th place player being totally locked out of the top cut), but it's not collusion. Especially now that ID's are explicitly allowed.