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As we build more compelling tournaments like the System Open Series...

You mean the "compelling tournament" that only had a single event in the US, aka your biggest player base, and completely disregarded the Asia-Pacific region entirely.

Forgive me if I don't accept that as a decent line of reasoning to explain the inclusion of IDs....

US population~319 million people

European Union population~508 million people

Tell me US has the biggest player base again please

Total population statistics are pretty worthless to determine players of this game... I would bet the players per capita is very different.

US Open - Allows for 265 people

EU: UK Open alone allows for 512 people. You also have the France Open, Poland Open, Denmark Open, Italy Open, Spain Open, and Germany Open

So, yes, population does not equal players, but I would ask you why they have so many more EU Opens with much more people when the EU is smaller in geographical size?

The EU Opens likely have more players given the ease in which one can travel between multiple European countries both as far as distance and cost are concerned. It is entirely feasible for some in the UK to also attend the French and German opens without too much trouble or cost.

This is opposed to the US, which given the geographic size and cost of travel, makes it unlikely for people to travel across country to attend events.

From what I've heard Americans travel further than Europeans for tournaments.

Some americans maybe, but certainly not all. I'd LOVE to go to nationals, or worlds, or the system open, etc. Except I live in Alaska, so it's 3000 miles away. Acording to [here](http://www.worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/eulandst.htm), all of europe is only 2000 miles vertically and 1339 miles horizontally.

Out of pure curiosity, how much does it cost for Americans to travel?

Like for example reach the centre of the US if you live on one of the coasts (or vice-versa)

The EU Opens likely have more players given the ease in which one can travel between multiple European countries both as far as distance and cost are concerned. It is entirely feasible for some in the UK to also attend the French and German opens without too much trouble or cost.

Have you compared European and American airfare prices anytime lately?

Out of pure curiosity, how much does it cost for Americans to travel?

Like for example reach the centre of the US if you live on one of the coasts (or vice-versa)

Depends on popularity of the location. Round trip Washington statell to Las Vegas $250-$350

Washington to Florida $550-650

season and school vacations will impact pricing.

The EU Opens likely have more players given the ease in which one can travel between multiple European countries both as far as distance and cost are concerned. It is entirely feasible for some in the UK to also attend the French and German opens without too much trouble or cost.

Have you compared European and American airfare prices anytime lately?

Ah but they don't fly they train

I was under the impression that these events were there to go and play games and have fun. seems like it's neither Solution, boycott them and let the Scum players battle it amongst their miserable selves.

I was under the impression that these events were there to go and play games and have fun. seems like it's neither Solution, boycott them and let the Scum players battle it amongst their miserable selves.

So Imperial and Rebel players aren't allowed to participate?

Cheers

Baaa

How on earth did this turn into an argument about the migration patterns of Europeans vs. Americans?

How on earth did this turn into an argument about the migration patterns of Europeans vs. Americans?

It's a better argument than the one that was going on to be fair.

Cheers

Baaa

The EU Opens likely have more players given the ease in which one can travel between multiple European countries both as far as distance and cost are concerned. It is entirely feasible for some in the UK to also attend the French and German opens without too much trouble or cost.

Have you compared European and American airfare prices anytime lately?

Eurostar. Cheaper than flights, fast, and very comfortable.

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As we build more compelling tournaments like the System Open Series...

You mean the "compelling tournament" that only had a single event in the US, aka your biggest player base, and completely disregarded the Asia-Pacific region entirely.

Forgive me if I don't accept that as a decent line of reasoning to explain the inclusion of IDs....

US population~319 million people

European Union population~508 million people

Tell me US has the biggest player base again please

Total population statistics are pretty worthless to determine players of this game... I would bet the players per capita is very different.

US Open - Allows for 265 people

EU: UK Open alone allows for 512 people. You also have the France Open, Poland Open, Denmark Open, Italy Open, Spain Open, and Germany Open

So, yes, population does not equal players, but I would ask you why they have so many more EU Opens with much more people when the EU is smaller in geographical size?

The EU Opens likely have more players given the ease in which one can travel between multiple European countries both as far as distance and cost are concerned. It is entirely feasible for some in the UK to also attend the French and German opens without too much trouble or cost.

This is opposed to the US, which given the geographic size and cost of travel, makes it unlikely for people to travel across country to attend events.

From what I've heard Americans travel further than Europeans for tournaments.

Some americans maybe, but certainly not all. I'd LOVE to go to nationals, or worlds, or the system open, etc. Except I live in Alaska, so it's 3000 miles away. Acording to [here](http://www.worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/eulandst.htm), all of europe is only 2000 miles vertically and 1339 miles horizontally.

Sure, and I'm sure Europeans vary in the amount they travel also. I guess that would boil down to personal situations.

I've heard of Americans travels long hours for relatively 'low key' events whereas I've heard of few Eurpoeans travel those distances full stop.

On the travelling side of things I would think I comes down to the US being so vast you can travel for hours/many miles and not even leave the state. In Europe that would mean crossing several boarders. I've got no evidence but I'd be surprised if Europeans travel longer/further than Americans. Even from my personal experience it's much easier to travel in the US than Europe.

Well if europeans traveled these distances, they would most likely be in another country. My drive coming up is roughly the same as driving from Milan to Stuttgart or Paris to Brussels (though I would prefer to drive through the Alps of course).

Seriously, eight embedded quotes in a single reply for post #861.
Forum etiquette for the win, maybe?

Crazy threads and crazy times to be a X-Wing player.

Well if europeans traveled these distances, they would most likely be in another country. My drive coming up is roughly the same as driving from Milan to Stuttgart or Paris to Brussels (though I would prefer to drive through the Alps of course).

Trust me you wouldnt. The French Alp roads are a deathtrap, made worse by tourist busses driven by lunatic bus drivers.

It is picturesque though...

Seriously, eight embedded quotes in a single reply for post #861.

Forum etiquette for the win, maybe?

Crazy threads and crazy times to be a X-Wing player.

Have you compared European and American airfare prices anytime lately?

Eurostar. Cheaper than flights, fast, and very comfortable.

The Eurostar?

It only connects two capitals (three with a stretch), neither of which are hosting one of these X-Wing Open Championships that we are apparently getting too many of in Europe.

Also, for someone who travel on the distance that the Eurostar traverses it is by no means cheaper than flights and by no means supports the argument that European players will find it cheaper going to events (and that is even before addressing the issue that X-Wing has been localised in a number of European countries making it adverse or outright impossible for people to cross a border to participate in certain tournaments).

Is the whole "militant casual" player an actual thing that is happening frequently, or is it just a strawman argument being brought up over and over?

I'm extremely lucky that in my local area of over 500 players, we have almost no issues that pop up during events.

I've been called a ****** bag at a Store Championship for denying a forgotten Ysanne Evade.

An opponent had Advanced Sensors on a Brobot, revealed a sloop, put the template in the nubs, then wanted to use advanced sensors to TL. I let him because he was being a jerk about it after I had tried to deny it originally.

An opponent had a list with PS 6's and PS 8's in it. He fired with a PS 6 first, so I denied him shots with his 8's and then got hit with a, "are you serious bro, are you ******* serious? This is a casual tournament, I just made a mistake. Come on dude. Seriously?!" temper tantrum.

Just the other day, an opponent had both a PS 7 and an 8 in a list. He fired with his 7 first, and I denied the shot with the PS 8. A friend that had the bye that was observing the game then said I was being an *******, that what I had done was so sh*tty, and that he hopes karma gets to me.

It's fine though, every time this happens I just develop more and more of a disregard for the "fly casual" movement. Shoot down someone's plane and then gun them down as they climb out of the wreckage. Freebies lol.

Have you ever wondered if maybe there's something about your own behavior -- the one common denominator in all this -- that might bring out the worst in people? You certainly seem to delight in the scorn people have for you here on the forums, do you act mostly the same IRL?

Is the whole "militant casual" player an actual thing that is happening frequently, or is it just a strawman argument being brought up over and over?

I'm extremely lucky that in my local area of over 500 players, we have almost no issues that pop up during events.

I've been called a ****** bag at a Store Championship for denying a forgotten Ysanne Evade.

An opponent had Advanced Sensors on a Brobot, revealed a sloop, put the template in the nubs, then wanted to use advanced sensors to TL. I let him because he was being a jerk about it after I had tried to deny it originally.

An opponent had a list with PS 6's and PS 8's in it. He fired with a PS 6 first, so I denied him shots with his 8's and then got hit with a, "are you serious bro, are you ******* serious? This is a casual tournament, I just made a mistake. Come on dude. Seriously?!" temper tantrum.

Just the other day, an opponent had both a PS 7 and an 8 in a list. He fired with his 7 first, and I denied the shot with the PS 8. A friend that had the bye that was observing the game then said I was being an *******, that what I had done was so sh*tty, and that he hopes karma gets to me.

It's fine though, every time this happens I just develop more and more of a disregard for the "fly casual" movement. Shoot down someone's plane and then gun them down as they climb out of the wreckage. Freebies lol.

To be fair though you enjoy and brag about making these people go on tilt and enjoy rules lawerying to gain advantages. Honestly Nick, you're a **** and hopefully out of towners don't consider you to be how the rest of Michigan x wingers are.

If someone gets on tilt because I punish them for their mistakes, all the better. Reasonable people, people who are /truly/ flying casual aren't going to get mad. Get better and stop forgetting things.

I'm going to continue to enjoy getting people who supposedly fly casually to explode. It's funny and they need to stop taking the game so seriously, and I also want to win.

My behavior? You mean saying, "That's a missed opportunity, you've already fired with your lower PS ship."? Do I have to hold my opponent's hand when I do this, is that what I'm doing impolitely?

Whatever the bloody train is called then.

The point is, travel time between major European capitals is much less than it is in the US, so it is possible that someone in London may choose to attend a tournament in Paris, or Berlin too. Hence the EU events have a larger number of spots open.

And at no point has anyone said that Europe has too many events; that's not the point. My original point was that FFG is using the Open Series as justification for IDs, but yet this wiz bang new series of tournaments only had a single event in the US; and none in the Asia Pacific. It seems in congruous to claim a new series of events as a reason for this decision, but yet said events don't actually reach a good portion of their player base.

We are aware of the occurrence at a Regional Championship where four individual matches elected to agree to an intentional draw. While we are still collecting information, it initially appears that each match followed the procedure for intentional draws as detailed in the Tournament Regulations, calling for a leader prior to any discussion on the topic so that they could oversee each match's agreement.

We understand that intentional draws are a foreign or disliked concept for some players and fans of Organized Play, but it is our belief that they are a necessary inclusion to promote a fair play experience for all tournament players. As we build more compelling tournaments like the System Open Series, and offer more incredible prizes like travel to exclusive events, we must commit to embracing the differences between purely recreational play and tournament play.

We appreciate your feedback on this policy. We are taking steps to help increase the understanding and acceptance of the necessity of intentional draws being allowed in tournaments. Look for an article on this subject on our Organized Play page (www.fantasyflightgames.com/op) in the very near future, which will help valued community members like yourself explain and implement the change.

The letter from ffg concerning it.

Reminds me of the day Democrats passed the Affordable Care Act.

"Most of the American public is against being forced to buy insurance, those who understand what the bill will do think it's a bad idea, but we are making it a law and we are putting together a propaganda campaign to make everyone feel good about still not having enough money to get the medical care they need from a doctor."

Mature, funny, and clever.

Nothing screams maturity like labeling people who voice their opinions as assholes and pandering with overdone jokes about alcohol.

Well if they'd of been allowed to introduce universal healthcare Americans as a whole would of been better off given it'd cost less than Medicare.

But no the republicans are in the pocket of the insurance companies so caused it to be so watered down it was pretty toothless.

Just a shame the politicians of America don't care about the people they are meant to serve unless they are rich.

WELL lets just go ahead and not go down this particular path shall we?

Well if they'd of been allowed to introduce universal healthcare Americans as a whole would of been better off given it'd cost less than Medicare.

But no the republicans are in the pocket of the insurance companies so caused it to be so watered down it was pretty toothless.

Just a shame the politicians of America don't care about the people they are meant to serve unless they are rich.

C'mon. And Democrats aren't in their pockets? You need to do some research. Nancy Pelosi scored millions from the insurance industry over the last decade.

The whole debate about universal health care was staged theater for the benefit of EVERY politician, regardless of party affiliation. The entire system is corrupt, not just one party.

But back on topic...

Whatever the bloody train is called then.

The point is, travel time between major European capitals is much less than it is in the US, so it is possible that someone in London may choose to attend a tournament in Paris, or Berlin too. Hence the EU events have a larger number of spots open.

And at no point has anyone said that Europe has too many events; that's not the point. My original point was that FFG is using the Open Series as justification for IDs, but yet this wiz bang new series of tournaments only had a single event in the US; and none in the Asia Pacific. It seems in congruous to claim a new series of events as a reason for this decision, but yet said events don't actually reach a good portion of their player base.

No, it isn't just the X-wing Open Series. It is whatever they have planned for Netrunner. And AGOT. And Warhammer. And L5R. I have seen enough evidence that the pro "pro" Netrunner people are for this rule. And to compare to X-wing, Netrunner's playerbase is big enough and dedicated enough to have set up their own player run tournament circuit. Pretty successful from what I've seen.

How on earth did this turn into an argument about the migration patterns of Europeans vs. Americans?

It's a better argument than the one that was going on to be fair.

Cheers

Baaa

Ah but the most important question is "how many coconuts can they carry as they migrate?"