Any word on what the ruling is? In the meantime I came across an article that really shows why this is bad at every level not just premier level events. http://www.tabletopgeneral.com/2016/04/
Noone knows yet until they talk about it as its an exclusive to Sentrybox according to them but should be all over the place soon after
Why would ffg give an exclusive to a rule issue on a non ffg media?
Why would ffg give an exclusive to a rule issue on a non ffg media?
Maybe they figured the fire didn't have enough fuel.
Why would ffg give an exclusive to a rule issue on a non ffg media?
Sentry Box's TO probably emailed them for a ruling before the tourney, so now they're going to read that email.
Would have thought they would have had a blanket announcement about it
Would have thought they would have had a blanket announcement about it
Would have made a lot more sense.
According to Sentrybox on now on Twitch there has been an official announcement by FFG - according to their chat box
I can't get twitch at work. What did they say?
It's happening now. They're about to say something.
Well, they are blaming and would name and shame the 7 players who had to leave/back out for it
FFG are keeping IDs in and like them according to the announcment
Yep. The gist is, IDs are necessary and will remain.
No comment whatsoever on the point value of IDs.
Seems like the most elegant solution is IDs are worth 0 tournament points. They will be issuing an official article soon.
Yep. The gist is, IDs are necessary and will remain.
No comment whatsoever on the point value of IDs.
Seems like the most elegant solution is IDs are worth 0 tournament points. They will be issuing an official article soon.
I'd actually be perfectly happy with IDs if they were 0 tournament points so anyone who won the last round from 1 loss behind would still have a shot. Heck, going by the roanoke results you even get 100 MoV still for it, so that helps alleviate peoples arguments that your MoV will be worse for having faced better opponents all day (which is bull anyway. you can have perfectly good MoV as an undefeated player going into the last round).
Yep. The gist is, IDs are necessary and will remain.
No comment whatsoever on the point value of IDs.
Seems like the most elegant solution is IDs are worth 0 tournament points. They will be issuing an official article soon.
I'd actually be perfectly happy with IDs if they were 0 tournament points so anyone who won the last round from 1 loss behind would still have a shot. Heck, going by the roanoke results you even get 100 MoV still for it, so that helps alleviate peoples arguments that your MoV will be worse for having faced better opponents all day (which is bull anyway. you can have perfectly good MoV as an undefeated player going into the last round).
This would solve the entire problem. an ID is perfectly understandable in those few and far cases
Best way to get their attention is to boycott the remaining regionals.
Best way to get their attention is to boycott the remaining regionals.
Yeah, that'll happen
Best way to get their attention is to boycott the remaining regionals.
Yeah, that'll happen
No it wont but at this point I think it is the only way to get this rule repealed.
We are aware of the occurrence at a Regional Championship where four individual matches elected to agree to an intentional draw. While we are still collecting information, it initially appears that each match followed the procedure for intentional draws as detailed in the Tournament Regulations, calling for a leader prior to any discussion on the topic so that they could oversee each match's agreement.
We understand that intentional draws are a foreign or disliked concept for some players and fans of Organized Play, but it is our belief that they are a necessary inclusion to promote a fair play experience for all tournament players. As we build more compelling tournaments like the System Open Series, and offer more incredible prizes like travel to exclusive events, we must commit to embracing the differences between purely recreational play and tournament play.
We appreciate your feedback on this policy. We are taking steps to help increase the understanding and acceptance of the necessity of intentional draws being allowed in tournaments. Look for an article on this subject on our Organized Play page (www.fantasyflightgames.com/op) in the very near future, which will help valued community members like yourself explain and implement the change.
The letter from ffg concerning it.
Yep. The gist is, IDs are necessary and will remain.
**** off, FFG. They weren't necessary for three years, and they remain unnecessary now.
Edited by DR4CO
We are aware of the occurrence at a Regional Championship where four individual matches elected to agree to an intentional draw. While we are still collecting information, it initially appears that each match followed the procedure for intentional draws as detailed in the Tournament Regulations, calling for a leader prior to any discussion on the topic so that they could oversee each match's agreement.
We understand that intentional draws are a foreign or disliked concept for some players and fans of Organized Play, but it is our belief that they are a necessary inclusion to promote a fair play experience for all tournament players. As we build more compelling tournaments like the System Open Series, and offer more incredible prizes like travel to exclusive events, we must commit to embracing the differences between purely recreational play and tournament play.
We appreciate your feedback on this policy. We are taking steps to help increase the understanding and acceptance of the necessity of intentional draws being allowed in tournaments. Look for an article on this subject on our Organized Play page (www.fantasyflightgames.com/op) in the very near future, which will help valued community members like yourself explain and implement the change.
The letter from ffg concerning it.
Welp. There you go folks. I think this argument is over.
As we build more compelling tournaments like the System Open Series...
You mean the "compelling tournament" that only had a single event in the US, aka your biggest player base, and completely disregarded the Asia-Pacific region entirely.
Forgive me if I don't accept that as a decent line of reasoning to explain the inclusion of IDs....
Ugh. Really wish they weren't doubling down on this.
As we build more compelling tournaments like the System Open Series...
You mean the "compelling tournament" that only had a single event in the US, aka your biggest player base, and completely disregarded the Asia-Pacific region entirely.
Forgive me if I don't accept that as a decent line of reasoning to explain the inclusion of IDs....
You do understand that Worlds is a US event. That there are more major US events than there are in Europe. There is nothing wrong with making something that favors someone other than the US occasionally.
And really, blame Netrunner and the ANRPC for wanting the games to go more "pro".
I'm glad that fly casual is dying 
. Maybe one day we'll be able to play this game by the rules without having to deal with temper tantrums from adult men who are angry at you for their mistakes.
Git gud and stop forgetting things.
Edited by ParaGoomba SlayerWelp. There you go folks. I think this argument is over.We are aware of the occurrence at a Regional Championship where four individual matches elected to agree to an intentional draw. While we are still collecting information, it initially appears that each match followed the procedure for intentional draws as detailed in the Tournament Regulations, calling for a leader prior to any discussion on the topic so that they could oversee each match's agreement.
We understand that intentional draws are a foreign or disliked concept for some players and fans of Organized Play, but it is our belief that they are a necessary inclusion to promote a fair play experience for all tournament players. As we build more compelling tournaments like the System Open Series, and offer more incredible prizes like travel to exclusive events, we must commit to embracing the differences between purely recreational play and tournament play.
We appreciate your feedback on this policy. We are taking steps to help increase the understanding and acceptance of the necessity of intentional draws being allowed in tournaments. Look for an article on this subject on our Organized Play page (www.fantasyflightgames.com/op) in the very near future, which will help valued community members like yourself explain and implement the change.
The letter from ffg concerning it.
There's still the question of the TP (tournament points) value of an ID.
Let's take a "real" draw first. Two players bust their guts for 75 minutes but due to various factors, when time is called, the legitimate combatants are tied. That should be worth something less than a win, but more than a loss which is 0. A TP value of 1 is reasonable compared to the 5/3 values of win/modified win.
A pair of players choosing to intentionally draw can do so for numerous legitimate reasons. I won't list them, but in the particular case of the Roanoke 8, where only the top 2 were undefeated, I can't imagine anyone faulting those two for wanting a break before commencing their mathematically assured playoff games.
Yet, the choice to take advantage of prior success to gain the essentially unfair (maybe unequal is the better word) advantage of rest should not be rewarded with the same TP gain as players who exhaust themselves in combat for 75 minutes yet arrive at the same result.
Xwing has lots of elegant value trade offs built into the game. The tournament scoring system should reflect the same. If you want the (earned?) advantage of rest, you should pay the penalty of a sacrifice of TP.
If ID was worth 0, then the Roanoke 3-8 players would have had a different call to make, depending on the strengths of their own tiebreaker values. It may have still been a no-brainer choice for another pair or two, but it would certainly not have been the obvious choice for all.
You could even argue that an ID should still be worth more than 0, say 1, but a timed draw is worth 2. (Not sure how that would affect the balance of the existing 5/3 TP levels, as in maybe they should go to 6/4, but that's a fine tuning adjustment for later consideration.)
But the key would be that draws occur at only two points in time: either before the start of the match (ID) or after time is called (TD -- timed draw). Any players who just sit there and slow play without engaging for 75 minutes have effectively sacrificed the supposed advantage of the ID (namely rest), and thus you're not really having to police the games for being "legitimate."
So we wait to see if the ID rule will be adjusted in light of TP considerations.