A transgender ewok maybe. That's legal.
Many Bothans died to bring this to you
How can you be both transgender and a woman? Doesn't transgender imply that you're beyond the classic man/woman gender split?
It means you've transitioned into your preferred gender identity, in this case a woman.
It means you've transitioned into your preferred gender identity, in this case a woman.How can you be both transgender and a woman? Doesn't transgender imply that you're beyond the classic man/woman gender split?
This forum is a real gold mine...the things you people know...
How can you be both transgender and a woman? Doesn't transgender imply that you're beyond the classic man/woman gender split?
It means you've transitioned into your preferred gender identity, in this case a woman.
This forum is a real gold mine...the things you people know...
I have a good transgendered friend who plays Armada and occasionally participates on this forum.
No bothans died. this is death star 1...... they still had rights
Poundsign_BothanLivesMatter
Haha and it took 14 more posts for someone to catch it on a Star Wars forum!
The real takeaway from this:
... I havn't told you to Stop, Yet!
Actually, that would be awesome too.
Plot twist, Boba was transgender woman.unless they next 2-3 movies all have female leads as well, then we are getting into territory for another discussion. However, we know that isn't the case, since we are getting a Boba Fett movie in the near future as well!
(no, that would be bad for everyone)
I'm sticking with my own personal theory, Boba was really Jar Jar in disguise.
The sequal to Rogue One, would be hold on... uhmm... Rogue Two???
And the plot would be: Rebel spies getting information and plans about the second Death Star and...
Ah screw it! Lets call the sequal to Rogue One, for Many Bothans Died
Could make the second movie....rogue squadron
Dead Bothan Society?
The sequal to Rogue One, would be hold on... uhmm... Rogue Two???
And the plot would be: Rebel spies getting information and plans about the second Death Star and...
Ah screw it! Lets call the sequal to Rogue One, for Many Bothans Died
As to the identity of Ben Mendelsohn's character, given that this film is about stealing the Death Star plans, rather than infiltrating the Death Star itself, would it not make sense for him to not particularly be connected to Tarkin at all, but rather a counter-intelligence officer tasked with preventing the plans from being stolen in the first place? And who likely won't show up in 'A New Hope' due to the high chance of his being killed in this film? I dunno, that feels more likely than him either being involved in the Death Star's construction, or a character we've already seen.
I very much get the feeling with 'Rogue One' that they're intending for it to not so much be a "prequel" as they are a prologue for the Original Trilogy - hence introducing a lot of the weapons and technology we see in the later films, such as Star Destroyers and AT-ATs. The fact that they've included Mon Mothma also suggests that they're going to better establish her role in the Rebellion, rather than her turning up fairly randomly in 'Return of the Jedi' and leaving audiences wondering who she is and what position she holds.
Squeezing the trigger, whether it's on a small arm or weapon console of a fighter is a very very small part of war and combat.
Indeed it is. More than anything will is everything in modern warfare: the will to crawl through C-wire, the will to deal with sh*tty conditions for days at a time, the will to stay and fight when you're being shelled or shot at. That's why basic training is 90% mind games and 10% physical. If you found basic training to be physically draining, you probably weren't in good shape. It's mentally draining.
Here's a more appropriate rhetorical anecdote I like to ask/present to all my wife's girl-power friends when they ask me about my time in the Marine Corps and why I don't think women should be in it.
A man goes without a shower for 4 days: vacation.
A woman goes without a shower for 4 days: torture.
Discuss.
Pretty blatant sexist bull. Frankly, I don't know a single man who actually likes going without a shower for 4 days. I've done it in basic, OCS, and any number of field training exercises. Nobody actually likes it. Congratulations on being the freak that hates hygiene. This goes back to will, though. If you have the will to endure that, you belong. If you don't, then you don't belong. I've served with women who deal with the same exact conditions and do just as fine as the men. Hell, they probably bitched about it less. I imagine they might have been afraid of validating this exact statement. Now, are most women societally conditioned to care too much about their looks to want to deal with extended stays in the field? You better believe it. My wife would have no business in the military. But that's her. In no way is that indicative of all women as your statement implies. I've served with many exceptions to your rule.
I really really like the trailer. I nearly cried when I saw it. But I am lying in my bed sick and had fever when I saw him and nearly cried for everything i saw that hour....
anyhow.
What I not like in the trailer is that the Stormtroopers are seeingly back to: useless.
Its even worse now: They dont even use their guns, close in on close combat opponents and get beaten down by sticks ("Greetings from Endor")
What I would like to see:
Jyn erso does the job and transfers the plans, but gets captured, torturted and finally broken by the empire and becomes one of its agents:
Or perhaps the dark troopers are clones of her.
Or perhaps she stole the suit to steal the death star plans... you know, like some other guys did to skulk around the death star? 
It's certainly possible she turns, although to be honest, revealing something like that in a teaser--when we've literally just been introduced to the character, have no emotional ties to her, have nothing invested in her loyalty--seems... too early... or something. That said, it has nothing to do with the overall awesomeness of the trailer (which has a very Imperial Assault-ish feel to it, for those of you who have played through that campaign). 
I don't care either way....but man oh man...is she a looker!
She can steal my "death star" plans any day....
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Once you start down the dark path...forever will it dominate your typing!
I don't care either way....but man oh man...is she a looker!
She can steal my "death star" plans any day....
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Once you start down the dark path...forever will it dominate your typing!
The Dark Side is quicker, easier..... more seductive...
I really really like the trailer. I nearly cried when I saw it. But I am lying in my bed sick and had fever when I saw him and nearly cried for everything i saw that hour....
anyhow.
What I not like in the trailer is that the Stormtroopers are seeingly back to: useless.
Its even worse now: They dont even use their guns, close in on close combat opponents and get beaten down by sticks ("Greetings from Endor")
What I would like to see:
Jyn erso does the job and transfers the plans, but gets captured, torturted and finally broken by the empire and becomes one of its agents:
Or perhaps the dark troopers are clones of her.
Or perhaps she stole the suit to steal the death star plans... you know, like some other guys did to skulk around the death star?
It's certainly possible she turns, although to be honest, revealing something like that in a teaser--when we've literally just been introduced to the character, have no emotional ties to her, have nothing invested in her loyalty--seems... too early... or something. That said, it has nothing to do with the overall awesomeness of the trailer (which has a very Imperial Assault-ish feel to it, for those of you who have played through that campaign).
I think it would be cool if she got so tormented after acquiring the plans that she lost her former personality after brutal torture: joined the Imperial forces, rose up through the ranks as a skilled Pilot, took the name Cive Rashon and became....
Howlrunner!
I think that would be awesome if it were the case. But that's just what I would like. Other people will have different opinions.
I think it would be cool if she got so tormented after acquiring the plans that she lost her former personality after brutal torture: joined the Imperial forces, rose up through the ranks as a skilled Pilot, took the name Cive Rashon and became....
Howlrunner!
I think that would be awesome if it were the case. But that's just what I would like. Other people will have different opinions.
Literally the first thing my girlfriend asked was "Oh **** is she gonna be Howlrunner!?"
Squeezing the trigger, whether it's on a small arm or weapon console of a fighter is a very very small part of war and combat.
Indeed it is. More than anything will is everything in modern warfare: the will to crawl through C-wire, the will to deal with sh*tty conditions for days at a time, the will to stay and fight when you're being shelled or shot at. That's why basic training is 90% mind games and 10% physical. If you found basic training to be physically draining, you probably weren't in good shape. It's mentally draining.
Or, maybe you joined the Army :-)
On a more serious note, I don't disagree with your point about the importance of "will". I do, however, find it to be a little rhetorically useless. "Will" is important and indeed required in almost all human endeavors that are even within the scope of human achievability. But "will" doesn't magically kick-in at the moment of truth like most movies would have us believe. It's also not a "source attribute". Willpower, manifesting on the battlefield, is, I'm sure you know because you're airborne, the result of lots of stuff, including one's own training, the observance of similar training in one's comrades (a mechanic which builds self-confidence and inter-unit confidence). It's also a response to one's societal responsibilities. Where you and I will most likely disagree is that those societal responsibilities, specifically the sex-based ones, are not entirely artificial and constructed in nature. Its my experience and observation that those societal responsibilities which (tangentally or otherwise) touch on gender and sex, are based not on my "pretty blatant sexist bull", but rather in sexual dimorphism, manifesting itself both physically and psychologically in many advanced species, not the least of which are humans.
Here's a more appropriate rhetorical anecdote I like to ask/present to all my wife's girl-power friends when they ask me about my time in the Marine Corps and why I don't think women should be in it.
A man goes without a shower for 4 days: vacation.
A woman goes without a shower for 4 days: torture.
Discuss.
Pretty blatant sexist bull. Frankly, I don't know a single man who actually likes going without a shower for 4 days. I've done it in basic, OCS, and any number of field training exercises. Nobody actually likes it. Congratulations on being the freak that hates hygiene. This goes back to will, though. If you have the will to endure that, you belong. If you don't, then you don't belong. I've served with women who deal with the same exact conditions and do just as fine as the men. Hell, they probably bitched about it less. I imagine they might have been afraid of validating this exact statement. Now, are most women societally conditioned to care too much about their looks to want to deal with extended stays in the field? You better believe it. My wife would have no business in the military. But that's her. In no way is that indicative of all women as your statement implies. I've served with many exceptions to your rule.
Oh my god, "sexist bull"...seriously, seriously, is that the extent of what you can see/observe about the conversation? It's not "sexist bull". It's an anecdote (which I stated, nothing more, nothing less), used to illustrate a difference between men and women. "Freak that hates hygiene"? Seriously? No, of course, for the record, I don't like going 4 days without a shower. My experience, however, has been that men suffer that more readily than women do; not that women CAN'T do it (ie torture), and that men LOVE it (ie vacation) - that's hyperbole used to keep the conversation light and people smiling instead of screaming at each other. I would have hoped you could see that. Now one could surely argue that those stereotypical responses come down to "societal conditioning". Maybe that is true....but can you at least submit that the aforementioned "societal conditioning" might be the complicated end of a long series of cause-and-affect that starts with physical and psychological dimorphism and not "blatant sexist bull!!" or <patriarchy> In *every* hump I have been on in the Marine Cops, ALL (yes, ALL, as in, every single one) of the women lagged behind the bulk of the company by an observable amount. There were, also, in fairness, about 20% males who "fell back" as well. That's not sexism. That's my observable reality. Such experiences have shaped my worldview.
How does any of this apply to Jyn Erso or Rae? Really...not at all. I don't have a problem with either movie being led by a female character. I do have a problem with Rae's universal skill-level at everything, and that, I think, is Mary Sue wish fulfillment aimed squarely at satisfying politically-feminist vanity/demand, to the detriment of the movie. The sky is not falling on my chicken little, but I do think that the movie was less that what it could have been because of this. I hope Rogue One gives us a more realistic character, and I think the tone of the character and film suggests it will.
Edited by RocmistroWasn't Luke a Mary Sue as well, only a more annoying one?
Wasn't Luke a Mary Sue as well, only a more annoying one?
A real Mark Stu would not have lost his arm or had no love interest (beside his sister).
Wasn't Luke a Mary Sue as well, only a more annoying one?
I don't really think so, No. Luke did nothing noteworthy (that is to say, of particularly remarkable skill, he does noteworthy things by virtue of his courage and willingness to be good) in the first movie; at least nothing above and beyond the inherent silliness and "high-adventureyness" of the film at large.
The only thing the film really indicated he was good at was piloting, and that's the only area we see him excel:
(who's going to pilot it, kid? you?) "Yeah, you bet I could I'm not such a bad pilot myself!"
"I used to blast womprats in my t16 back home, they're not much bigger than 2 meters"
In the film, we see him shoot down a couple tie fighters and make the big death star shot (guided by the force through obi wan...which he also would not have been able to do had Han not made the distracting attack on Vader). Are they ridiculous skills for a farmboy to have? Sure, but at least they give us some justification in the narrative of his background, and those are pretty much the ONLY times he really excels.
He performs averagely or worse in most other parts of the film:
-terrible in melee combat (gets ass kicked by tuskan raiders and in the bar)
-knows nothing of the force
-is passable in the few blaster fights he gets into inside the death star.
-knows little about the world at large, needs Han and Obi Wan to navigate him through the big world.
Edited by RocmistroWasn't Luke a Mary Sue as well, only a more annoying one?
Dude almost got taken out by something that lives in a trash compactor...
As far as Mary Sues go: I'd put Poe and Rey up first, but they are likable enough to get away with it.
Wasn't Luke a Mary Sue as well, only a more annoying one?
Dude almost got taken out by something that lives in a trash compactor...
As far as Mary Sues go: I'd put Poe and Rey up first, but they are likable enough to get away with it.
How's Poe a Mary Sue? I would rather call him an impossibly min-maxed pilot. Dude took out like what....8 tie fighters in 10 seconds? That guy's got a PS of 14 in X Wing.
But yes, Rey is likable enough to get away with it .