I finally got a chance to watch R1 again last night. Now that the honeymoon is over and I can look at it more objectively, dear lord - that flick is SO much better than E7. I hope the future holds more of this and less JJ.
The Spoilerrific Super Duper Rogue One Megathread!
It's the more places and faces I like best. More content. More stuff.
2 hours ago, 2P51 said:It's the more places and faces I like best. More content. More stuff.
2 hours ago, Desslok said:I finally got a chance to watch R1 again last night. Now that the honeymoon is over and I can look at it more objectively, dear lord - that flick is SO much better than E7. I hope the future holds more of this and less JJ.
Something I've been saying ever since it came out. I watched TFA three times in theater, and while there were things I liked, there was A LOT more that I didn't. The lack of originality (you could tell everything before it happened) combined with pathetic, wanna-be villain(s) and the biggest Palpatine/Gollum rip-off ever to be seen in a movie really didn't help the sell.
Whew. That came out a little more rant-y than I intended, but it's true. R1 is much, much better; THAT is what I expect a Star Wars movie to deliver. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.
On 4/6/2017 at 2:14 PM, Nytwyng said:
Thanks!
Wiki description off a bit. It says it carried multiple pods on a "dorsal" cargo bed. In the movie, the barge clearly had pods stuck underneath also.
Bought R1 on BluRay, I half expected with the honeymoon period over to discover its just an average movie. I was never so wrong. I love it! I dont understand how people can say its bland, the film is filled with so much life and variety. All of the characters are great, especially K2-SO.
Rogue One blends into a New Hope perfectly and more impresively somehow makes ANH a better film, if that was even possible.
Somehow in many ways R1 feels newer and fresher then TFA. I dont hate TFA by any stretch, but its dependent on the next two movies in the trilogy.
4 hours ago, Forresto said:Rogue One blends into a New Hope perfectly
Perhaps you didn't see the same movie that I did. The one where the Rebels aboard the Tantive IV received the DS plans on a data card, whereas in ANH Vader tells Leia "several transmissions were beamed to this ship". That was an enormous continuity failure, and one that could easily have been fixed. But having the Tantive IV receive the plans by radio isn't nearly as dramatic and exciting as watching rebel after rebel perish as they desperately try to buy time for their fellows to get the plans to the Tantive IV while an enraged and unstoppable Vader hacks them apart to retrieve the recently-stolen plans.
20 minutes ago, ShadoWarrior said:Perhaps you didn't see the same movie that I did. The one where the Rebels aboard the Tantive IV received the DS plans on a data card, whereas in ANH Vader tells Leia "several transmissions were beamed to this ship". That was an enormous continuity failure, and one that could easily have been fixed. But having the Tantive IV receive the plans by radio isn't nearly as dramatic and exciting as watching rebel after rebel perish as they desperately try to buy time for their fellows to get the plans to the Tantive IV while an enraged and unstoppable Vader hacks them apart to retrieve the recently-stolen plans.
The Profundity got the plans by transmission but as far as Vader knows it was the Tantive IV that got the transmission. They don't know which ship got it just that one of them did. I imagine the Imperials boarded discovered the plans were not on the Profundity and rushed to the Tantive. That entire scene where Vader is slaughtering the rebels isnt him trying to get the data card its him trying to get on the Tantive IV. Both groups are trying to get to a ship where there's only one entrance hence the scene happening.
Not a continuity error.
You weren't watching closely enough. Vader saw the rebel(s) holding the datacard. Especially the last one that fed the card through the stuck hatch moments before the rebels on the other side sealed the hatch and the Tantive IV blasted away. Regardless, even if he hadn't seen those card-carrying rebels (pun intended), Vader would have known two things based on what we see in Rogue One that would have altered his chat with Leia. The Profundity received a transmission (the plans). This is stated explicitly in R1 when someone tells Vader this. It's why Vader boards that ship. To make certain that he got the plans back, rather than just blow the cruiser up and hope that he ended the threat by doing that. The second thing Vader would have known before ANH is that the plans were no longer aboard the Profundity. Thus the plans must be on the fleeing Tantive IV, and they were hand-carried there because no transmissions were detected between those two ships.
Q.E.D.
People don't talk precisely in real life, someone who says "I could eat a horse" or "This weighs a ton" is not trying to eat a Clydesdale or lift two thousand pounds. Nobody is going to say "Several transmissions were beamed to a ship that was docked to this ship and then I chased the people delivering the physical media onto this ship". "Beamed to this ship" is a much more economical and realistic phrasing when the details don't matter.
Vader is never told the plans are explicitly on the Profundity just on the flagship. That implies the Profundity although not necessarily otherwise the Devastator's captain may have been more specific. Not only that but there was another ship docked within the Profundity, given the terrible scanners of the Star Wars universe maybe when they realized the plans werent on the Profundity that the transmissions were actually beamed into another object (the Tantive IV) within the flagship.
If this were Tarkin i'd understand the complaint but this is Vader, I really don't think the dude cares about semantics.
He also might have been using the classic interrogation technique of pretending to know more than what he actually does.
And I'll go back to pointing out that Vader saw the plans being handed off. But, hey, if it makes you feel better to cut Disney undeserved slack by overlooking their mistakes, go for it. Doesn't make R1 any less great a movie whether it's a goof or not. Given the nearly 40 years between ANH and R1, they did good enough.
Not a mistake. People don't always say exactly what they mean when they talk, or spell out every detail.
5 minutes ago, Desslok said:Not a mistake. People don't always say exactly what they mean when they talk, or spell out every detail.
It is important to remember at all times that any time even the most minor dismissive remark about corporate greed and intentionally producing "inferior" product can be tossed in Disney's general direction, there are those who feel compelled to do so.
1 hour ago, Nytwyng said:It is important to remember at all times that any time even the most minor dismissive remark about corporate greed and intentionally producing "inferior" product can be tossed in Disney's general direction, there are those who feel compelled to do so.
This has nothing to do with Disney in particular.
Lucas made the same sorts of stupid continuity blunders... kinda hard for Leia to remember her real mother when her real mother died immediate after childbirth.
1 hour ago, ShadoWarrior said:And I'll go back to pointing out that Vader saw the plans being handed off.
Exactly -- it was an easily-avoidable, lazy, sloppy, "do what looks kewl" continuity error.
The fact that people are willing to go back and come up with contrived, Rube Goldbergian excuses for it doesn't change the fact of what it is, either.
2 minutes ago, MaxKilljoy said:This has nothing to do with Disney in particular.
Lucas made the same sorts of stupid continuity blunders... kinda hard for Leia to remember her real mother when her real mother died immediate after childbirth.
Not hard at all for an unwitting psychic who can see other places, other times.
1 minute ago, Stan Fresh said:Not hard at all for an unwitting psychic who can see other places, other times.
Again, making excuses.
Something that's been established as being possible in a previous movie isn't an excuse, it's part of the setting.
You've not shown there to be any contradiction.
Some people just aren't happy unless complaining about something they purport to enjoy.
5 minutes ago, Stan Fresh said:Something that's been established as being possible in a previous movie isn't an excuse, it's part of the setting.
You've not shown there to be any contradiction.
And you haven't shown that what Rey did (the only canon example of seeing things in the past) is something that Leia can do. In fact, there's no evidence that Luke could do it, either. We've already seen Rey learn Force powers at a rate and strength unmatched by anyone, including Anakin. You're reaching for explanations. Try Occam's Razor instead.
3 minutes ago, Nytwyng said:Some people just aren't happy unless complaining about something they purport to enjoy.
And some people just like to insult others who disagree with their views.
1 minute ago, ShadoWarrior said:And some people just like to insult others who disagree with their views.
You're absolutely right. Some do. I don't.
If, however, someone felt insulted by my statement of fact (that pointed to no one in particular), I'd say that's on them.
17 minutes ago, ShadoWarrior said:And you haven't shown that what Rey did (the only canon example of seeing things in the past) is something that Leia can do. In fact, there's no evidence that Luke could do it, either. We've already seen Rey learn Force powers at a rate and strength unmatched by anyone, including Anakin. You're reaching for explanations. Try Occam's Razor instead.
Show me something that indicates that other Force users can't. Also, the Force is strong in her family.
You're introducing distinctions that aren't there in the movies. Talk about occam's razor...
19 minutes ago, ShadoWarrior said:And some people just like to insult others who disagree with their views.
You've been insulting towards other posters in your comments on this, too. Step back and take a look at what you've written.
We're talking about space princesses and wizards and black knights here, for Zeus' sake. No need to dump on people over that.
4 hours ago, ShadoWarrior said:And I'll go back to pointing out that Vader saw the plans being handed off. But, hey, if it makes you feel better to cut Disney undeserved slack by overlooking their mistakes, go for it. Doesn't make R1 any less great a movie whether it's a goof or not. Given the nearly 40 years between ANH and R1, they did good enough.
He saw scared men abandoning a ship. They probably were carrying everything they could to their escape ship such as data and a blackbox. There is absolutely nothing to indicate Vader had any idea or could've known that the data tab was the Death Star plans. Sure the rebels don't want him to obtain the data tab but there's a lot of information on a Rebel Flagship they wouldn't want the Imperials getting such as the location of their base, and if you watch a New Hope that is another thing Tarkin and Vader are hunting for.
You're also forgetting they need a physical copy of the plans for Leia to give to R2. That's what these are. There has always been a physical version of the plans, all R1 does is show you how R2 ends up getting them.