Rogue One Teaser Tomorrow on Good Morning America

By JediAutobot, in X-Wing

Melee vs. ranged weapons.

I am not sure if anyone mentioned the psychological part of this issue.

People do not like killing people. Ever soldier has to be trained to deal with this obstacle.

Killing from a distance is much less personal - you fire a gun and a small figurine drops dead, it is even more obvious for dron controllers - that is why we have so many moral issues with them trating combat as a form of video game.

Since killing is difficult and killing from a distance is easier fighting at close range requres even more training, stronger nerves/more powerful brainwashing etc.

This is one of many reasons why so many charges were successful, even when facing incredible odds. On paper many of assaults or charges couldn't possibly work, but enemies were paralysed by fear, wonder, indecision or mortal dread watching friends cut to pieces, bleeding, watching quickly approaching enemies apparently invulnerable to fire...

Even veterans can panic - it has little to do with fear - and fighting in close combat is never easy , but even more difficult to face experienced killers coming your way...

Is that a Kylo shuttle I see getting blown up?

Not quite

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Maybe the same manufacturer, but looks like a heavy lander that becomes a base of operations..... if it's even a ship. Could just be a building, but it looks like engines in the shot.

am i the only one who thinks that looks like bad modelwork...?

Is that a Kylo shuttle I see getting blown up?

Not quite

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Maybe the same manufacturer, but looks like a heavy lander that becomes a base of operations..... if it's even a ship. Could just be a building, but it looks like engines in the shot.

One look at this picture tells me thats both: a ship while in transit and a building once its landed. Its an assault support base / HQ. Bridge head ships for planetary assaults that also serve as landing platforms for smaller supply ships like shuttles. The upfolded wings serve as antennas for scanners and communications. Its genious.

Why are we even talking about knives? We haven't seen any knives in the trailer, just a quarterstaff, you can't possibly defend a quarterstaff as a weapon for a special forces operator.

Bo staff = staff staff.

Bo staff = staff staff.

This was shocking to read on my LCD display.

On the fighting styles thing, I'm surprised nobody has mentioned John Wick. Literally using a handgun as a melee weapon

Hardly the first time we've seen that gun kata was in equilibrium years before and has been in Hong Kong action films before that.

On the fighting styles thing, I'm surprised nobody has mentioned John Wick. Literally using a handgun as a melee weapon

Hardly the first time we've seen that gun kata was in equilibrium years before and has been in Hong Kong action films before that.

Hard boiled is a film you should try sure you can find it on DVD cheap somewhere.

I am not sure if anyone mentioned the psychological part of this issue.

People do not like killing people. Ever soldier has to be trained to deal with this obstacle.

There's not much in the way of evidence to suggest that this is actually true (it is, of course, difficult to reliably do that kind of work; you can't exactly arrange a war for the benefit of your research, and many/most of the people in the field would have some serious ethical qualms about the subject matter regardless, given that sort of data's obvious use). There was that figure provided by SLA Marshall but it turns out there's no reason to believe his "data" was actually data and plenty of reason to suppose it was

pretty much entirely fabricated. Grossman's done most of the work on the combat brainwashing stuff, but he leans heavily on Marshall, and since Marshall has been exploded that leaves much of his work up in the air.

Which is to say: yeah, maybe it's true that people need brainwashing and etc. But we don't know that, and it's pretty easy to construct counterarguments once we're reduced to gesturing at history or modern warfare and shrugging our shoulders. As, you know, currently we are. Data does not exist, strong conclusions cannot be drawn.

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Can we take the "staff in a blaster fight" discussion elsewhere, please?

So I had a random thought.

"What will you do when they caatch you?
What will you do when they break you?
What will you become?"

The villian is a high ranking ISB agent.

...I'm thinking Isard, Seinor. Yssane Isard would be his daughter.

Seeing how much of a baller that Imperial admiral is already was all they needed to sell me on the film. I hope he gets plenty of screen time

So I had a random thought.

"What will you do when they caatch you?

What will you do when they break you?

What will you become?"

The villian is a high ranking ISB agent.

...I'm thinking Isard, Seinor. Yssane Isard would be his daughter.

I'm not going to comment on the Isard element, but having the man villian as ISB would make sense. This is a war/heist film about a spy cell sent to steal military plans. Having the villian be an intelligence chief seems logical. And I would wonder then, if the black stormtroopers are the military wing of ISB perhaps?

In short, Clausewitz's dictum, "War is the continuation of politics by other means."

Absolutely.

It is also literally von Clausewitz who also said "war is a means to force others to do our will".

ST is a great book, with much food for thought. Too bad Paul Verhoeven, who I like as a person and a director both, got introduced to the book when making Attack on Outpost 9.

I like the book and the movie. Both have pros and cons and are very different from each other (different views of the same human vs. alien war), but that's not necessarily bad.