Plot spoiler for Ep VIII

After their defeat at Starkiller Base, Kylo Ren and the remainder of the First Order Forces hide out on a remote ice planet while the Resistance relentlessly tries to locate them.

Their base is found and attacked by the Resistance, and the resulting ground assault is once again a decisive victory for the Resistence - however Kylo Ren manages to evade capture and makes for a remote Jungle Swamp planet to complete his training with a mysterious Sith master Snoke who turns out to be a lot shorter and greener than anyone expected.

Why hate Disney at all?

I don't understand it. There are so many other companies to hate, and for much better reasons. EA makes terrible games, overcharges for DLC, and genuinely despises its customers. Comcast is Comcast, 'nuff said. Microsoft releases new Windows versions that are worse than older versions (use more processor time, are harder to use, etc) just to keep earning money. Wal-Mart has closed entire stores to make sure their employees can't unionize. Koch Industries has revolutionized corrupting our political process and spent millions to stop 'nonprofitable' things from clean energy to higher taxes. British Petroleum caused billions in damage and are somehow receiving billions in tax cuts this year. A full dozen of the US's biggest banks colluded to remove laws meant to stop the world's economy collapsing, almost caused the world's economy to collapse, got bailed out for it because they were "Too big to fail" (which was what one of those removed laws prevented!), and now they're richer than ever on paper but those same circumstances are going to play out again and again...

And Disney does what, exactly, to bring your piss to a boil? Make kid's movies? Run theme parks? Have merchandised characters?

Literally the only - ONLY! - reason I've ever heard for hating Disney that made even the remotest amount of twisted, hate-filled sense is the religious right complaining that Disney doesn't hate gays the way they do. And even that's a dumb reason.

So, take that Disney hate and either turn it towards one of the companies that's actually RUINING the world, or shut the **** up.

I personally loved it. It has grown on me since the first viewing. Loved the characters. Unlike others I find most of what rey does explainable. She claims to be a pilot, which I'm guessing means she's had training. Her main form of personer protection is a metal stick, which explains her compatancy with lightsaber. My personal thought on why her and Finn beat kylo is that he's always been powerful with the force and has known it. Lending him to use it as a krutch. Most of the time when a Jedi is majorly injured they completely shut down. Anakin, mace and dooku all expemlify this. Due to his torso injury kylo is having issues using his force skills.

Another theory is that he beam from starkiller base is that the beam isn't light. Its actually projected sun. Think of it as a nightly focused nuclear explosion. Which makes more sense when you think how it operates.

as far as my practical hands-on knowledge of martial arts goes, a staff and a lightsaber/sword have completely different sets of moves and do not have much in transferable skills.

I'm not sure what you mean by a projected sun, because there's lots of going on inside a star. basically a bunch of fusion reactions and plasma (basically a gas of ions and electrons). so I guess you're saying it's a plasma beam that also somehow have nuclear fusion going on inside it. does not solve the fact it doesn't make much sense

Watched it with the kids last night. Loved it yet again!

The ONLY thing that bothers me is that Phasma lowered the shields for them. That's the only thing I have a problem with. Would have much rathered Finn just took her "keycard" or something and used it to do it, this way she facilitated the breach, but didn't cower.

It's going to be interesting how they deal with that for episode 8. Will Phasma say something like "I HAD to lower the shields, if I didn't they'd have taken my key card and they would've had access to all our secrets... and that would have been even worse!", like, she picked the lesser of two evils?

Or will they humanize her - maybe she admits that she was scared. Maybe this was the first time her life was actually in danger and she screwed up royally. Maybe that can be a driving force towards her trying to improve herself?

Why would she be carrying around secrets so vital that they are more important than the safety of a massive super weapon?

My theory is she's a New Republic/Resistant/whateverthehelltheyarecalled double agent. At least I hope so.

She isn't... I mean if she just unlocked the computer, they might have had access to the First Order's archives, etc... The argument could be made that she did manually lowered the shields for them so they wouldn't be poking around the databases and stumble upon the plans for the "Super Starkiller Base" or the "Mega Maid" or something more sinister.

She presumed a small band of starfighters couldn't penetrate the base before it fired its weapon, and she was correct.

She didn't know about the explosives and miscalculated her proximity to the trash compactor. I bet she ditches the chrome from embarrassment next time... embarrassment and stains.

This is a fantastic example of why I am a little cool about JJ's shiny new Star Wars film. Discerning adult fans are all already bending reason beyond its limits to try to explain a weird, illogical inconsistency that I bet JJ never even considered.

Because they haven't done that to the OT?

I still absolutely love it and am baffled by those that don't.

I enjoyed it, but the whole blowing up planets and being able to see it as close ambit wad really bugged me.

If something blew up Pluto we would not see it, and not to mention the time it actually would take for light from there to travel here

When we did see it (depending on actual distance) would not be instantaneous.

I did like it better than the prequels but that's not setting the bar very high at all.

Also it does bug me that it was a rehash of a new hope

When I watched it opening night right away I saw the similarities.

I felt as though it was very lazy writing.

I guess some are thrilled we are now getting new movies every year, but for me it is ruining star wars.

What I loved when I was a kid was the mystery, leaving things to our imagination.

Like what was the clone wars all about.

What was it like when there was thousands of jedi

I hate Disney with a passion and I feel they are going to ruin it for me

My favorite character boba fett is going to get his own movie

Which will ruin that.

What I liked about boba fett was he was cool looking, and all we know was he was a bad ass.

Imo Hollywood makes movies that believes it's audience is unintelligent. Let's make bigger explosions and effects

Some of the best movies I've ever watched were from other countries, like France, Britain and Japan.

They don't spoon feed the audience like Hollywood unfortunately.

For me the franchise will likely just run downhill

Death to mickey

Faster Than Light travel is impossible. So is telekinesis.

EDIT: Holy causality violation, Batman!

there are valid theories that show FTL travel could be possible, for example by bending space time or using wormholes.

telekinesis is possible. I do it in my dreams all the time

While it makes the FO feel less evil then the Empire, it's because they are less evil (we will see what happens in VIII). They are the post WW1 German army right as the nazi's were gaining power. A defeated, but still good military, with a major chip on their sholder from the past and they are determind to set things right.

The Reichswehr had to be reduced down to 100k men. Which was almost nothing compared to the armies of that time. Those 100k men where veterans and the officers highly inspired by high-tech weapon technologies and developed strategies that rendered to-date armies almost defenseless, even if they were outnumbered. In this manners you are right. If Palpatine was the Kaiser; then Snoke is the Führer now

I still absolutely love it and am baffled by those that don't.

I enjoyed it, but the whole blowing up planets and being able to see it as close ambit wad really bugged me.

If something blew up Pluto we would not see it, and not to mention the time it actually would take for light from there to travel here

When we did see it (depending on actual distance) would not be instantaneous.

I did like it better than the prequels but that's not setting the bar very high at all.

Also it does bug me that it was a rehash of a new hope

When I watched it opening night right away I saw the similarities.

I felt as though it was very lazy writing.

I guess some are thrilled we are now getting new movies every year, but for me it is ruining star wars.

What I loved when I was a kid was the mystery, leaving things to our imagination.

Like what was the clone wars all about.

What was it like when there was thousands of jedi

I hate Disney with a passion and I feel they are going to ruin it for me

My favorite character boba fett is going to get his own movie

Which will ruin that.

What I liked about boba fett was he was cool looking, and all we know was he was a bad ass.

Imo Hollywood makes movies that believes it's audience is unintelligent. Let's make bigger explosions and effects

Some of the best movies I've ever watched were from other countries, like France, Britain and Japan.

They don't spoon feed the audience like Hollywood unfortunately.

For me the franchise will likely just run downhill

Death to mickey

Faster Than Light travel is impossible. So is telekinesis.

EDIT: Holy causality violation, Batman!

Actually faster than light travel maybe plausible. There are theories and I say eventually if we don't kill ourselves first will get there.

Nasa is working on warp drive tech.

Technically you won't be going faster than speed of light, but by bending space and time in front and behind (like a bubble) it maybe possible

Probably not in our lifetime but our great grandchildren.

(look it up if you don't believe me)

As for telekinesis, again that is something which maybe possible

Since humans only use about 4% of their brain, if we evolve and in the far future are able to use a higher % then maybe.

Some people believe that poltergeist activity is actually caused by humans. Not an evil spirit using... Telekinesis, but not actually knowing they are doing it. If you believe that sort of thing.

One Hollywood movie I did enjoy was interstellar because they actually had real scientists help with the movie, and a lot of it is based off fact.

Which is why some schools maybe using that movie since they actually portrayed what a black hole looks like (minus giving it different color as to not confuse the audience)

The more you know...

As for Disney

They rip off a lot of stuff, take credit for it themselves.

I never like mickey, and when I heard they bought star wars knew it was probably going to ruin it for me.

Having a new movie every 6 months is not a good thing

just want to point out that we do use the entirety of our physical brain, but it is true that we have the potential capacity to expand the power of our mind, so in that sense I agree with you.

If you haven't seen the honest trailer for tFA yet, you owe it to yourself to go watch it now.

Will never be able to unsee:

In the next movie I want them to show what the full impact of all those Republic planets being blown up was.

Why hate Disney at all?

I don't understand it. There are so many other companies to hate, and for much better reasons. EA makes terrible games, overcharges for DLC, and genuinely despises its customers. Comcast is Comcast, 'nuff said. Microsoft releases new Windows versions that are worse than older versions (use more processor time, are harder to use, etc) just to keep earning money. Wal-Mart has closed entire stores to make sure their employees can't unionize. Koch Industries has revolutionized corrupting our political process and spent millions to stop 'nonprofitable' things from clean energy to higher taxes. British Petroleum caused billions in damage and are somehow receiving billions in tax cuts this year. A full dozen of the US's biggest banks colluded to remove laws meant to stop the world's economy collapsing, almost caused the world's economy to collapse, got bailed out for it because they were "Too big to fail" (which was what one of those removed laws prevented!), and now they're richer than ever on paper but those same circumstances are going to play out again and again...

And Disney does what, exactly, to bring your piss to a boil? Make kid's movies? Run theme parks? Have merchandised characters?

Literally the only - ONLY! - reason I've ever heard for hating Disney that made even the remotest amount of twisted, hate-filled sense is the religious right complaining that Disney doesn't hate gays the way they do. And even that's a dumb reason.

So, take that Disney hate and either turn it towards one of the companies that's actually RUINING the world, or shut the **** up.

DMCA is the reason to have a bone to pick with them. They want to make all IP have infinite copyrights so they can eventually own every IP for all time. Everyone who wants to do anything relating to anything will have to pay Disney. They will snap up all new IP's as soon as they become popular. If Disney had 20 year copyrights instead of 100 year which they will find a way to stretch to 1000 year I would have no issues with them.

In the next movie I want them to show what the full impact of all those Republic planets being blown up was.

An asteroid belt?

I wanna see a flashback to Maz and Snoke's first date thousands of years ago.

Overall I thought the movie was just okay. Like most JJ Abram's movie's it was visually pretty, but was a bit light on the actual storyline and acting. Rey is a cool character, but as others have already pointed out is just too good at everything for her character to really flourish.

Why hate Disney at all?

I don't understand it. There are so many other companies to hate, and for much better reasons. EA makes terrible games, overcharges for DLC, and genuinely despises its customers. Comcast is Comcast, 'nuff said. Microsoft releases new Windows versions that are worse than older versions (use more processor time, are harder to use, etc) just to keep earning money. Wal-Mart has closed entire stores to make sure their employees can't unionize. Koch Industries has revolutionized corrupting our political process and spent millions to stop 'nonprofitable' things from clean energy to higher taxes. British Petroleum caused billions in damage and are somehow receiving billions in tax cuts this year. A full dozen of the US's biggest banks colluded to remove laws meant to stop the world's economy collapsing, almost caused the world's economy to collapse, got bailed out for it because they were "Too big to fail" (which was what one of those removed laws prevented!), and now they're richer than ever on paper but those same circumstances are going to play out again and again...

And Disney does what, exactly, to bring your piss to a boil? Make kid's movies? Run theme parks? Have merchandised characters?

Literally the only - ONLY! - reason I've ever heard for hating Disney that made even the remotest amount of twisted, hate-filled sense is the religious right complaining that Disney doesn't hate gays the way they do. And even that's a dumb reason.

So, take that Disney hate and either turn it towards one of the companies that's actually RUINING the world, or shut the **** up.

DMCA is the reason to have a bone to pick with them. They want to make all IP have infinite copyrights so they can eventually own every IP for all time. Everyone who wants to do anything relating to anything will have to pay Disney. They will snap up all new IP's as soon as they become popular. If Disney had 20 year copyrights instead of 100 year which they will find a way to stretch to 1000 year I would have no issues with them.

+1. They're essentially the same as the companies listed, but they deal in acquiring and owning culture indefinitely. Besides, you can hate Disney, in addition to the other companies listed. Also, Iamfanboy, you forgot Nestle on your list =P.

Is it just me or do some people who didn't like or enjoy the TFA* miss that all the ones considered "better" also had inconsistencies, unanswered questions, and required you to suspend belief? It's a soap opera. In outer space. That's how George Lucas describes it.

* You're entitled to your opinion! I respect it and wouldn't try to change it. It's okay with me if you hate the movie. It won't change the fact that I love it.

I wouldn't be friends with someone who didn't like TFA.

I don't mean someone who had an issue or two with it... because we can discuss issues and debate the film and stuff.. but one of these type of people who seems to hate the movie... I just couldn't be friends with them. Even if the person was previously my best friend. I wouldn't just dramatically have some kind of break up with them. I'd just stop hanging out with them as much, stop returning phone calls over time.... eventually move and not bother letting them know that my phone number, address, and facebook are all changed.

In the next movie I want them to show what the full impact of all those Republic planets being blown up was.

The Republic will be in a difficult position to stay organized for a while having the current capital system destroyed with the Chancellor on the planet. I'd assume a good portion of their military was there as well.

In the next movie I want them to show what the full impact of all those Republic planets being blown up was.

The Republic will be in a difficult position to stay organized for a while having the current capital system destroyed with the Chancellor on the planet. I'd assume a good portion of their military was there as well.

maybe in the power void a guy will step up who everybody think is a great guy but is secretly a sith and also befriends Rey or Finn (or whoever it is who was yielding a light saber).

It's a soap opera. In outer space.

And it should be a space western.

In the next movie I want them to show what the full impact of all those Republic planets being blown up was.

The Republic will be in a difficult position to stay organized for a while having the current capital system destroyed with the Chancellor on the planet. I'd assume a good portion of their military was there as well.

maybe in the power void a guy will step up who everybody think is a great guy but is secretly a sith and also befriends Rey or Finn (or whoever it is who was yielding a light saber).

More likely Leia goes from being that paranoid Old woman to oh crap she was right. Put her in charge.

Why hate Disney at all?

I don't understand it. There are so many other companies to hate, and for much better reasons. EA makes terrible games, overcharges for DLC, and genuinely despises its customers. Comcast is Comcast, 'nuff said. Microsoft releases new Windows versions that are worse than older versions (use more processor time, are harder to use, etc) just to keep earning money. Wal-Mart has closed entire stores to make sure their employees can't unionize. Koch Industries has revolutionized corrupting our political process and spent millions to stop 'nonprofitable' things from clean energy to higher taxes. British Petroleum caused billions in damage and are somehow receiving billions in tax cuts this year. A full dozen of the US's biggest banks colluded to remove laws meant to stop the world's economy collapsing, almost caused the world's economy to collapse, got bailed out for it because they were "Too big to fail" (which was what one of those removed laws prevented!), and now they're richer than ever on paper but those same circumstances are going to play out again and again...

And Disney does what, exactly, to bring your piss to a boil? Make kid's movies? Run theme parks? Have merchandised characters?

Literally the only - ONLY! - reason I've ever heard for hating Disney that made even the remotest amount of twisted, hate-filled sense is the religious right complaining that Disney doesn't hate gays the way they do. And even that's a dumb reason.

So, take that Disney hate and either turn it towards one of the companies that's actually RUINING the world, or shut the **** up.

DMCA is the reason to have a bone to pick with them. They want to make all IP have infinite copyrights so they can eventually own every IP for all time. Everyone who wants to do anything relating to anything will have to pay Disney. They will snap up all new IP's as soon as they become popular. If Disney had 20 year copyrights instead of 100 year which they will find a way to stretch to 1000 year I would have no issues with them.

Especially as already Walt 79 years ago ripped off commonly known old folklore and the Grimm brothers, transformed it into some horrible super-sugarcoated cartoons, so that the company could have the IP on the story.

I was "meh" about it the first time I saw it.

Then I saw it a second time and loved it. It was like a switch was flipped or something. Looking forward to watching it with the fam tonight.

Why hate Disney at all?

DMCA is the reason to have a bone to pick with them. They want to make all IP have infinite copyrights so they can eventually own every IP for all time. Everyone who wants to do anything relating to anything will have to pay Disney. They will snap up all new IP's as soon as they become popular. If Disney had 20 year copyrights instead of 100 year which they will find a way to stretch to 1000 year I would have no issues with them.

+1. They're essentially the same as the companies listed, but they deal in acquiring and owning culture indefinitely. Besides, you can hate Disney, in addition to the other companies listed. Also, Iamfanboy, you forgot Nestle on your list =P.

Ah, Nestle. The king of child labor putting chocolate on your table and in your mouth.

Let's see, let's see, unjust DMCA takedowns... Taking down pictures of the Rey action figures before the movie comes out? And that's literally the only unjust takedown they've issued in the last five years I can find? I can almost accept that, considering it DOES go hand in hand with their already stated desire to preserve Rey as the 'secret' character. It's still the wrong thing to do, but that's ALL I can find.

Compare that to Sony, which issues dozens of unjust DMCA takedowns every year - what immediately springs to mind is the aftermath of Pixels where Sony tried as hard as they could to take down everything related to how terrible that movie was in an effort to quash the "internet effect".

Or Prince, which has issued DMCA takedown notices on his own fansites for having a PICTURE of the man.

Or Warner Bros., who hired an extremely stupid bot that tried to DMCA the actual IMDB pages of their own movies. That's a much older example but it still illustrates how stupid everyone involved was.

Or companies behind chip-and-PIN technology that still issue DMCA takedowns to hide how insecure their system actually IS.

Disney? What has Disney done? Or are you grasping at straws because hating Disney is cool? I'm no fanboy of Disney one way or the other, but I do respect them. Disney has integrity, as much as any company CAN.

I felt a reflex of hate years ago when they acquired the Marvel movie rights (still have an editorial cartoon of Wolverine and Captain America in Mickey Mouse ears saying, "this is humiliating" somewhere), but that prompted some soul-searching and made me actually LOOK at the company closely. I refuse to let hate rule me without facts backing it up, and the facts... don't back up hating Disney.

Emotions cloud your mind, and that way lies the Dark Side.

When the execs wanted the Gravity Falls creator to do more seasons and he said no, they actually listened to him instead of crushing him under contracts. When the execs were dubious about making Elsa a good sister instead of another Disney Evil Queen, they still let the writers of Frozen make her a good character instead of crushing them under contracts. The execs listen to their artists, and I respect that.

When fundie televangelists wanted them to close the "Gay Days" at their parks, Disney doubled down and expanded them. Disney's one of the corporations leading the fight against discrimination laws in the South, threatening to withdraw businesses from the states - and the states LISTEN. They believe in inclusiveness and a broader, more future-looking morality than the mess fundamentalists trap themselves in, and I respect that.

Sure has come a long way from Walt Disney stealing character designs and firing animators for trying to unionize, but the company has changed, and for the better.

As I think about it, I think part of it is that they know it's important for a corporation to have longevity, to think about more than raising next quarter's profits and expanding shareholder value and to hell with everything else. They know that they're more than a corporation, they're an institution.

****, I should be writing copy for Disney. Why don't they pay me for spewing this shmaltz?

****, I should be writing copy for Disney. Why don't they pay me for spewing this shmaltz?

Why hate Disney at all?

I don't understand it. There are so many other companies to hate, and for much better reasons. EA makes terrible games, overcharges for DLC, and genuinely despises its customers. Comcast is Comcast, 'nuff said. Microsoft releases new Windows versions that are worse than older versions (use more processor time, are harder to use, etc) just to keep earning money. Wal-Mart has closed entire stores to make sure their employees can't unionize. Koch Industries has revolutionized corrupting our political process and spent millions to stop 'nonprofitable' things from clean energy to higher taxes. British Petroleum caused billions in damage and are somehow receiving billions in tax cuts this year. A full dozen of the US's biggest banks colluded to remove laws meant to stop the world's economy collapsing, almost caused the world's economy to collapse, got bailed out for it because they were "Too big to fail" (which was what one of those removed laws prevented!), and now they're richer than ever on paper but those same circumstances are going to play out again and again...

And Disney does what, exactly, to bring your piss to a boil? Make kid's movies? Run theme parks? Have merchandised characters?

Literally the only - ONLY! - reason I've ever heard for hating Disney that made even the remotest amount of twisted, hate-filled sense is the religious right complaining that Disney doesn't hate gays the way they do. And even that's a dumb reason.

So, take that Disney hate and either turn it towards one of the companies that's actually RUINING the world, or shut the **** up.

DMCA is the reason to have a bone to pick with them. They want to make all IP have infinite copyrights so they can eventually own every IP for all time. Everyone who wants to do anything relating to anything will have to pay Disney. They will snap up all new IP's as soon as they become popular. If Disney had 20 year copyrights instead of 100 year which they will find a way to stretch to 1000 year I would have no issues with them.

+1. They're essentially the same as the companies listed, but they deal in acquiring and owning culture indefinitely. Besides, you can hate Disney, in addition to the other companies listed. Also, Iamfanboy, you forgot Nestle on your list =P.

This is honestly more true than not.

Disney is horrific for what they've done to anyone working in creative fields.

Thing is - I'm a BIG FAN of copyright law, patents and trade marks...I do occasional work in creative fields, and it's VERY IMPORTANT to be able to protect your work. I mean...it's not fun many times, it really is work...a LOT of it...and if someone agrees to pay you for it, you should be able to produce art, be compensated for that, have the company hiring you make profit so they can continue doing business and giving you more work...without dipsharts on the internet stealing it because 'whatever'.

The idea that art and creativity is culturally important, and something viable to do, is an absolutely critically important idea to protect.

But Disney does go too far. The life of the artist? Okay, I can see that. I'd argue it - I mean, I do something creative to contribute to society...yeah, I want compensation for it, but...a few years is fine. A decade or two? I won't complain. My ENTIRE life? For ONE creative act? Ehhhh... But, then, MY entire life AND the life of ALL my heirs? And then ANYONE they feel like passing the rights on to? Good gods, no - at that point, the art is no longer a "contribution" to society, but rather a vampire that simply drains any new creative spark from igniting into the next generation of artists and creators.