The Rebels have access to Glitterstim?
Oh wait .... they are no rebels any longer at this point.
How they are called? Resistanceers?
TFA- after the dust has settled. (Spoilers)
What I loved when I was a kid was the mystery, leaving things to our imagination.
Like what was the clone wars all about.What was it like when there was thousands of Jedi
This guy gets it.
I know what the Clone Wars were about, and they were not what George Lucas gave us. Maybe the version in my head (which revolves around the slavery issue) isn't the same as yours. No problem! You got yours; I got mine. We don't need every single 'i' dotted and every single 't' crossed for us. Some areas are left for our own imaginations to fill in the gaps.
I honestly think that the few snippets Zahn gave us about the Clone Wars in the 'Thrawn Trilogy' were infinitely better than the whole prequels' Clone Wars. Clones that went insane; the 'Clone Masters'; new clone armies springing up every second day. He made it sound that the Clone War was more akin to the 'Warring States' period of ancient China: numerous warlords and factions all vying for supremacy as the Republic crumbled. And out of it rose Palpatine as the dominant power. Zahn didn't give us much, but what he did struck me as incredibly more nuanced, thought-out, and deep than everything Lucas spewed out over episodes I-III.
Is there an actual video for this grab? Are they dancing to something? Pharrel's 'Happy' per chance?
A better example is the way that, to me, the First Order and its personalities and military forces feel very 'flat' compared to the OT's Empire. Hux and Ren fall very short of Vader and Tarkin.
I felt the opposite. In particular, when comparing Tarkin to Hux I got the idea that the latter was more breaking the mold of his archetype. Because of that, I'm actually more interested in who he really is.
Still don't get why the resistance is called that when their the faction in power.
Because it operates in neutral/first order territory and isn't officialy associated with the republic. Wasn't that hard to figure out to be honest.
I liked every Star Wars film. Relatively, TFA takes the 6th spot, so it is behind most others, but that is not saying much. My favorite three remain Empire, Sith and Clones, in that order. The backlash against the prequels is mostly an internet fabrication that some choose to follow.
You know hwat? After our last talk on this I returned to the prequels. Aspects of it I still feel are shoddy movie making (which all of Star Wars has), but I could genuinly enjoy them. Episode III has really strong moments.
In my overall ranking I still prefer the OT, but thats because those are the movies I have watched countless times when I was a kid because my father had them on VHS, unlike the prequels. Since it is so hip to give out a ranking, here is mine:
V (easy) > IV > VI > III > VII > I > II AotC doesn't get rated well because I didn't like any of the romance and the good parts feel like a too short version of TCW, where the whole Clone Wars was handeled just so much better. IV, VI, III and VII are pretty interchangeable in my list. They all have different issues for me and I enjoy them for different aspects. When I've seen VII again that will probably again take the top spot there, as will any of the others.
A better example is the way that, to me, the First Order and its personalities and military forces feel very 'flat' compared to the OT's Empire. Hux and Ren fall very short of Vader and Tarkin.
I felt the opposite. In particular, when comparing Tarkin to Hux I got the idea that the latter was more breaking the mold of his archetype. Because of that, I'm actually more interested in who he really is.
That's very interesting, Lingula. Would you be able to elaborate? I can't even visualise Hux now, so little an impression did he make on me. He struck me as a two-dimensional space-Nazi, borrowed from an Indiana Jones film.
I'd have preferred a grizzled, older character - a (facially scarred?) veteran general/admiral of the old Empire, visually not wholly at ease with the new FO and its ways. A very clipped, British actor in his sixties. Someone with a threatening edge, who is well known for playing villains. Jeremy Irons, maybe, or Peter Capaldi? I'd like to see the next episode start with Snoke ordering Ren to execute a disbelieving Hux for failure, pour encourager les autres, and for one of these older actors to be called in out of retirement to replace him, with him displaying an obvious "I told you so - now let's do it my way" attitude.
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A better example is the way that, to me, the First Order and its personalities and military forces feel very 'flat' compared to the OT's Empire. Hux and Ren fall very short of Vader and Tarkin.
I felt the opposite. In particular, when comparing Tarkin to Hux I got the idea that the latter was more breaking the mold of his archetype. Because of that, I'm actually more interested in who he really is.
Even Grand Moff Tarkin had his staff, his advertisers and a host of Generals, Admirals and Moffs..
In TFA it seems there is only Hux, Stormtroopers, bridge officers and Tie pilots.
I miss a handful of 'old' high ranked officers of the Imperial Navy to embody the spirit of the old Galactic Empire within the First Order. Highly committed and thirsty for revenge.
Even when you say the FO is soooo small, you don't need more then a single General to lead them ....
I think Hux is too young to be even a General.
He is missing the neccessary experience and wisdom to be the Supreme Leader of the FO military forces.
Edited by TheRealStarkillerWhat I loved when I was a kid was the mystery, leaving things to our imagination.
Like what was the clone wars all about.
What was it like when there was thousands of Jedi
This guy gets it.
I know what the Clone Wars were about, and they were not what George Lucas gave us. Maybe the version in my head (which revolves around the slavery issue) isn't the same as yours. No problem! You got yours; I got mine. We don't need every single 'i' dotted and every single 't' crossed for us. Some areas are left for our own imaginations to fill in the gaps.
Some of the best stories told leaves the rest up to the readers/viewers own interruption
Now we're getting yodas, Han, boba fett, and probably jabbas rancor, and the blue guy who plays piano in jabbas palace told to us
Leave it alone Disney
TFA played it safe. I don't think JJ could have made a bad movie whatever happened, but he just chose to reshoot all the iconic scenes from the original trilogy with a strong female lead and a token black guy.
The film wasn't bad, and there were bits that sent chills down my spine, but I would only give it 3/5.
Even Grand Moff Tarkin had his staff, his advertisers and a host of Generals, Admirals and Moffs..
In TFA it seems there is only Hux, Stormtroopers, bridge officers and Tie pilots.
I miss a handful of 'old' high ranked officers of the Imperial Navy to embody the spirit of the old Galactic Empire within the First Order. Highly committed and thirsty for revenge.
Even when you say the FO is soooo small, you don't need more then a single General to lead them ....
I think Hux is too young to be even a General.
He is missing the neccessary experience and wisdom to be the Supreme Leader of the FO military forces.
Absolutely on the money.
3 out of 5 sounds fair
I liked it. But meh
Exactly
What I loved when I was a kid was the mystery, leaving things to our imagination.
Like what was the clone wars all about.
What was it like when there was thousands of Jedi
This guy gets it.
I know what the Clone Wars were about, and they were not what George Lucas gave us. Maybe the version in my head (which revolves around the slavery issue) isn't the same as yours. No problem! You got yours; I got mine. We don't need every single 'i' dotted and every single 't' crossed for us. Some areas are left for our own imaginations to fill in the gaps.
Some of the best stories told leaves the rest up to the readers/viewers own interruption
Now we're getting yodas, Han, boba fett, and probably jabbas rancor, and the blue guy who plays piano in jabbas palace told to us
Leave it alone Disney
You do realize that the EU did that ages ago, right?
As a reckless fanatic indoctrinated by a real leader? The first one. As competent military staff? The second one. I think that Hux is apropriate for the First Order.
Some of the best stories told leaves the rest up to the readers/viewers own interruption
Now we're getting yodas, Han, boba fett, and probably jabbas rancor, and the blue guy who plays piano in jabbas palace told to usLeave it alone Disney
You do realize that the EU did that ages ago, right?
Which is exactly why, by and large, I tended to avoid it.
As a reckless fanatic indoctrinated by a real leader? The first one. As competent military staff? The second one. I think that Hux is apropriate for the First Order.
I think Hux looks and acts like a Cosplay fan's amateur creation.
As a reckless fanatic indoctrinated by a real leader? The first one. As competent military staff? The second one. I think that Hux is apropriate for the First Order.
I don't even buy the fanatic. Its more like a wannabe.
Ren is a fanatic and a maniac. And a fool. I liked him. I'm sure we will see some development. But he is not part of the military force.
Edited by TheRealStarkillerI don't really get all of your problems with Hux, I actually like him. When I play my First Order squad against the Poe Dameron faction formerly known as Rebels I liberaly quote from his hilarious speech.
Which is exactly why, by and large, I tended to avoid it.You do realize that the EU did that ages ago, right?Some of the best stories told leaves the rest up to the readers/viewers own interruption
Now we're getting yodas, Han, boba fett, and probably jabbas rancor, and the blue guy who plays piano in jabbas palace told to us
Leave it alone Disney
However, with that said, they probably do a much better job over Hollywood/Disney
I don't really get all of your problems with Hux, I actually like him. When I play my First Order squad against the Poe Dameron faction formerly known as Rebels I liberaly quote from his hilarious speech.
Poe is not important in the big play.
This is about to take over the Galaxy by destroying entire Systems loyal to the New Republic.
As a fighter pilot of a non official organization he is not even visible.
I don't really get all of your problems with Hux, I actually like him. When I play my First Order squad against the Poe Dameron faction formerly known as Rebels I liberaly quote from his hilarious speech.
Poe is not important in the big play.
This is about to take over the Galaxy by destroying entire Systems loyal to the New Republic.
As a fighter pilot of a non official organization he is not even visible.
That was an X-Wing related comment.
As a reckless fanatic indoctrinated by a real leader? The first one. As competent military staff? The second one. I think that Hux is apropriate for the First Order.
I think Hux looks and acts like a Cosplay fan's amateur creation.
But that's part of who he is. He's a man who idolizes the Empire, but actually has no idea about what it was. He's been indoctrinated about how great Tarkin, Piett, etc. all were; how powerful and great the Empire was. And he thinks he has to act certain ways in order to replicate that. Almost to a degree that it is a parody.
I think Hux looks and acts like a Cosplay fan's amateur creation.
But that's part of who he is. He's a man who idolizes the Empire, but actually has no idea about what it was. He's been indoctrinated about how great Tarkin, Piett, etc. all were; how powerful and great the Empire was. And he thinks he has to act certain ways in order to replicate that. Almost to a degree that it is a parody.
Wow, you are tremendously attuned to Domhnall Gleeson's acting if you've managed to get all of that from his screentime in TFA. I am much impressed.
Edited by hismhsWhen she needs to fly, she is an ace. When the spaceship breaks, she is an engineer. All of this learned while picking up trash on Planet Afghanistan, apparently. When she gets captured, she learns to Force. When she has to lightsaber battle, she learns to Jedi.
Basically, she has no adversity. Everything in the movie set up to be adversity is actually just a vehicle to show the next thing she is really good at. She's even better at being Han Solo than Han Solo is.
Now, at this point, some people will be clamoring to say "Whatevur. You just don't like because girl. Luke Skywalker was just as good"
Except these people have never actually seen Star Wars. Luke Skywalker contributes almost nothing in the original film other than to use his mediocre flying skills to be positioned to save the day through luck and the intervention of others. He gets beaten up by sand people. He is saved by Obi Wan in the cantina. Han Solo is the one with the ship and the savvy to escape from the Imperials. Obi Wan turns off the tractor beam and distracts Darth Vader. Wedge saves Luke from a TIE Fighter, Han Solo saves Luke from Darth Vader. Obi Wan reminds him to trust his feelings and the Force.
Then we get to The Empire Strike Back. A movie that has 40% of its running time dedicated to Luke Skywalker failing. He gets beaten up by a snow monster. He sucks so bad at being a Jedi that Yoda is constantly disappointed in him and doesn't think he is disciplined enough. He leaves to go to Cloud City, and he sucks so badly at lightsaber fighting that Darth Vader gets bored and just starts throwing things at him instead. Then he loses his hand and has to be saved by Leia.
Gender roles are actually really interesting in how they are portrayed in the media (films, games) right now, and there's a lot of hyperbole on both sides. Here's my point of view;
The original Luke Skywalker was supposed to follow a journey. We see him mature from whiny teenager to overconfident and immature young adult, and finally into the wiser, stronger, and ultimately better Jedi Knight you see confronting the Emperor in ROTJ. In order to have that journey to become someone better, he has to start off worse.
However, can you imagine the political backlash if Disney had put Rey in as a female lead, and then made her as whiny and useless as Luke was? Disney would have been crucified for gender stereotyping, discrimination, blah blah. Because we cannot have a female lead character who displays the same competence and emotional maturity (or lack of it) as Luke did in ANH. Regardless of whether it makes sense or not - as you say, how is it that she's amazing at ALL of these things, given that she's in her early 20s and has spent roughly 12 or more years of that in a desert?
So you have a company who took the "risk" of having a female lead, but by doing so, they have lost the ability to show her as actually having any personal development. She can't get stronger, because she's already awesome at everything. She can't get more mature, because she's already mature. She can't get more composed and self controlled, because she's already doing it. Thus the only "journey" we can see her making, is to rediscover her past and get even more good at fighting, neither of which actually have anything to do with developing her personality.
Of course we then rock around to the other side, which was the hilarious lack of marketing for Rey action figures etc, which is by now infamous. It's like Disney made the conscious decision of "We want to bring in the girls by having a girl in charge, but we want to bring the boys in somehow, so lets make all the toys be aimed at them" which just perpetuates the standard "Girls play with barbies, boys play with action man" division we've had for generations.
We also have the great climactic "Ooh, we've got Brienne of Tarth as the second in command evil person!" which was probably the most overhyped part of the entire film. She gets literally three lines and then vanishes off-screen, accomplishing nothing. She was basically created so Disney could sell a shiny silver Stormtrooper toy as well as all these boring white ones.
There's also the amelioration of the "strong male" characters - Vader was a strong male. Han was a strong male. Obi-Wan was a strong male. Comparatively, Ren is a weak male character who spends his time having sulks and sniffling. Han has gone from cocky space cowboy with a very well hidden tender side to emotional divorcee who takes in any waifs and strays he finds. Obi-Wan is, um, dead. Closest equivalent is probably that bartender alien? Who is a woman (but actually very gender neutral in her speech and behaviour - probably one of the best realised characters). Finn is the comic relief who sucks at most things. At least I have high hopes for his ability to develop as a person. The only male who seems to fit into the original Star Wars mold is Poe.
For me, like many others, 3/5.
I think Hux looks and acts like a Cosplay fan's amateur creation.
But that's part of who he is. He's a man who idolizes the Empire, but actually has no idea about what it was. He's been indoctrinated about how great Tarkin, Piett, etc. all were; how powerful and great the Empire was. And he thinks he has to act certain ways in order to replicate that. Almost to a degree that it is a parody.
Wow, you are tremendously attuned to Domhnall Gleeson's acting if you've managed to get all of that from his screentime in TFA. I am much impressed.
Or perhaps I just don't need to be spoon fed, and can read the context between the lines...
Think of the FO as the Star Wars equivalent of a neo-nazi fascist group today. They idolize the original party, attempt to replicate the pomp and pagentry, and have a very skewed view as to who the originals were, how they acted, what made them "great" etc. And in their efforts to recreate that which they idolize, the come off looking silly.
It's also worth noting that Hux isn't actually the FO leader; Snoke (god that's an awful name) is. We still don't know how/why Hux is the military leader. It's entirely possible he isn't actually the top military leader. He could have just been in charge of 'Starkiller Base', and that there are other military personnel of the same rank in charge of other FO elements. Maybe we'll see them in the next films.