Would it be legal to use a Tie/fo model for Howlrunner when you plan to use her together with other Tie/fos?

Or a regular Tie model for Omega Leader if you want to use him with Wampa, Palp and Inq?

So instead of painting a regular Tie in the colors of the FO, wich would be legal; just use the other models right away - since there are only minor differences anyways.

Would this be tournament legal or could anybody 'force' you to use the right models at this point?

Why does this question, or some variant of it, keep coming back? (Don't answer that.)

You could probably get away with it some of the time, but even with the new more relaxed modding rules I can't see applying a rule about "modifying a model" to "replacing it with a different model", no matter how minor you feel the differences are.

I answer your question:

I still find it absurd to have regular Ties and FOs in the same list.

It just grind my gears, since they really can't co-exist fluff-wise.

Using the 'right models of the era' would at least fix the look of the whole list.

I think its worse to use the Black Sun Z95 as rebel fighters - an this is 100% legal.

Tie Fighters are a special case - even rule-wise, since there is no difference between them when it comes to Youngster and the Gozanti.

I think it would be fair to officially legalize to use either the regular or the fo model to represent whatever TIE Fighter.

I think it would be confusing. And their movement dials are different. I'd see a "Tie", not a "Tie/fo", and think that it can't do an S-turn.

The Z-95 is the exact same ship.

I think it would be confusing. And their movement dials are different. I'd see a "Tie", not a "Tie/fo", and think that it can't do an S-turn.

The Z-95 is the exact same ship.

And it wouldn't be confusing if someone would paint a regular Tie in the FO colors and vice versa?

So instead of painting

Mostly replying to this. If I saw a white Tie on the mat and not a black Tie, that could be confusing.

So instead of painting

Mostly replying to this. If I saw a white Tie on the mat and not a black Tie, that could be confusing.

You are refering to the solar panels, right? FOs are black and white. Regulars are light grey/blue and dark grey.

Painting them would be 100% legal, yet still confusing. So this can't be the reason.

So instead of painting

Mostly replying to this. If I saw a white Tie on the mat and not a black Tie, that could be confusing.

You are refering to the solar panels, right? FOs are black and white. Regulars are light grey/blue and dark grey.

Painting them would be 100% legal, yet still confusing. So this can't be the reason.

This is actually not the case, at least for tournament play. From the Tournament regulations under Modifying Components:

"Players may paint their ship models. They cannot modify a ship model in any way that would create confusion about which ship the model represents."

Painting a TIE to match the TIE/fo color scheme or vice versa most definitely violates this rule.

Interesting. Thats another possibility.

I post this question directly to FFG and wait for an official answer ....

You're not gonna get one here. Email them but the answer will be the same.

Would you ask this about the two different classes of X-Wing? I think not which means the answer should be the same: No.

Now I will completely admit that the TIE Fighter and TIE/fo are actually extremely similar to the point that if you painted both to your same custom squadron colors (just to avoid saying you painted one ship to look like the other) a casual glance will have a difficult time telling the two models apart. If they are now going to allow structurally modified ships to be tournament legal it becomes even harder to distinguish the two models to the point that "who can really tell the difference without a close examination?" At that time you might as well be looking at the tile attached to the base (which is really all you need to play and track the ship's location) which will tell you what type of fighter you're dealing with.

The legal answer is going to be NO because they are two different ships and need to remain distinct.

The logical answer for that pair of ships is that it probably shouldn't matter provided all of the rest of the components used are for the correct ships; the model on the stand is the least important thing when it comes to play time.

Anyone who wants to say that painting a TIE Fighter to look like an TIE/fo or vise-versa should be considered illegal I say you don't have much to stand on. If you get all confused because they are painted the same what will happen when you run into someone who has an entire squadron in some other crazy color scheme which is perfectly legal and keeping with why repaints were allowed in the first place?

This is from where I got the idea in the first place:

The news from 2015/11/27 : https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2015/11/27/swarm-tactics/

The following image of an example squadron suggested that you can flip the models:

You notice that Omega Ace got a regular Tie Fighter model?

Yes you could argue that this is a mistake. Only FFG knows the answer.

But then, it still looks better if they are all the same. Even the FFG marketing department thinks so, obviously

This is from where I got the idea in the first place:

The news from 2015/11/27 : https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2015/11/27/swarm-tactics/

The following image of an example squadron suggested that you can flip the models:

You notice that Omega Ace got a regular Tie Fighter model?

Yes you could argue that this is a mistake. Only FFG knows the answer.

But then, it still looks better if they are all the same. Even the FFG marketing department thinks so, obviously

FFG preview articles != rules text.

You can't swap the models over.

FFG articles are famous for getting stuff wrong

T-65 and t-70 models are fairly easy to tell apart but a black /ln is near identical to an fo so it's going to cause confusion.

For the sake of this entire argument, just avoid any potential confusion by using the correct models. It's that simple. If you don't like black sheep in the flock, then that's just tough luck!

ITT: OP asks question which he already likely knew the answer to. Multiple contributors all tell him the same thing. OP doesn't like answers and continues to make an argument as to why what he is suggesting is ok. And gets more curt with each post.

Im a new X Wing player, and id like to expand on the op question (funny enough we were discussing it on our community too)

so the hypothetical is this,

I go to the shop and buy a TIE Fighter Expansion and a Force Awakens Core set. My dog gets hold of my Tie fighter and destroys the model and all the cards and tokens that came with it.

So, if i then decide to take one of the Tie FOs that came with the core and repaint it to look like a normal TIE (so grey out the panels) and print out the pilot cards, tokens and dials...

....would this be illegal in tournament play?

(there is no confusion here, the cards, tokens and dials have been printed to correctly to look like a normal TIE)

Can't spot difference.

It's not T-65-T70 that are DISTINCTIVELY different

...

so the hypothetical is this,

I go to the shop and buy a TIE Fighter Expansion and a Force Awakens Core set. My dog gets hold of my Tie fighter and destroys the model and all the cards and tokens that came with it.

So, if i then decide to take one of the Tie FOs that came with the core and repaint it to look like a normal TIE (so grey out the panels) and print out the pilot cards, tokens and dials...

....would this be illegal in tournament play?

(there is no confusion here, the cards, tokens and dials have been printed to correctly to look like a normal TIE)

Not a chance.

You can't "print out" things like pilot cards, tokens, or dials and have them be tournament legal anymore that using the wrong model.

Flying a Z with Black Sun paint in a Rebel squad may damage one's suspension of disbelief, I grant, but it's still the same ship: same dial, same stats, almost the same slots (less illicit).

A TIE/ln in TIE/fo drag has different stats, different slots, and a vastly different dial.

I answer your question:

I still find it absurd to have regular Ties and FOs in the same list.

It just grind my gears, since they really can't co-exist fluff-wise.

Using the 'right models of the era' would at least fix the look of the whole list.

I think its worse to use the Black Sun Z95 as rebel fighters - an this is 100% legal.

Tie Fighters are a special case - even rule-wise, since there is no difference between them when it comes to Youngster and the Gozanti.

I think it would be fair to officially legalize to use either the regular or the fo model to represent whatever TIE Fighter.

Are the Rebel Z's usable as the Scum Z's in tournament play?

I answer your question:

I still find it absurd to have regular Ties and FOs in the same list.

It just grind my gears, since they really can't co-exist fluff-wise.

Using the 'right models of the era' would at least fix the look of the whole list.

I think its worse to use the Black Sun Z95 as rebel fighters - an this is 100% legal.

Tie Fighters are a special case - even rule-wise, since there is no difference between them when it comes to Youngster and the Gozanti.

I think it would be fair to officially legalize to use either the regular or the fo model to represent whatever TIE Fighter.

Are the Rebel Z's usable as the Scum Z's in tournament play?

Yep they swing both ways

From a TO/judge and tournament standpoint:

• You may not run TIE/fo's as regular TIE Fighters and vice versa.
• You may run repainted models that match the box-color scheme of either other model.
• If you are unsure of which ship is which or if it is a TIE/fo or regular TIE Fighter ask your opponent. If they refuse to tell you either read the pilot name/stat line printed on the ship's base or call over a TO/judge to resolve the confusion.

From a casual standpoint:

• Do whatever you want.

Im a new X Wing player, and id like to expand on the op question (funny enough we were discussing it on our community too)

so the hypothetical is this,

I go to the shop and buy a TIE Fighter Expansion and a Force Awakens Core set. My dog gets hold of my Tie fighter and destroys the model and all the cards and tokens that came with it.

So, if i then decide to take one of the Tie FOs that came with the core and repaint it to look like a normal TIE (so grey out the panels) and print out the pilot cards, tokens and dials...

....would this be illegal in tournament play?

(there is no confusion here, the cards, tokens and dials have been printed to correctly to look like a normal TIE)

Personally, I'd get rid of the dog. The damned thing is a menace!