Anyone here play the 70's 80's so-complex-everyone-hates-you-but-you-still-want-to-play-so-you-beg-then-face-rejection games? Anyone dare to look at the Harpoon manual ?

Man, I'm thinking back to when I thought BattleTech was streamlined and simple...

Omg....lol Harpoon ...that was crazy stuff. Ha. Nice ...or bad...memory.

or trying to wade through a large scale battle in the original Star Fleet Battles

Or Seakrieg V ...

Rivets counted ... while you wait .. and wait and wait ... o look after a bazillion die rolls you determine the shell you fired bounced off the rivet over there ...