And we are down to 51...

****...

Well, I think we all learned something here today.

Thank you good sir. I'd include a like but I've been dry for like 8 pages.

I'm sorry guys. I have no body paint. It was all an elaborate ruse.

You're histories greatest monster!

You would be surprised at how constructive things can be when people actually think about what others are saying and realizing that there is a real human being behind that screen. I appreciate the mature discussion most people had in this thread!

Thank you good sir. I'd include a like but I've been dry for like 8 pages.

I'm sorry guys. I have no body paint. It was all an elaborate ruse.

**** it man, I trusted you. Betrayed by a fellow Canadian.

I'll see you ride an ice floe out into the Atlantic if it's the last thing I do.

Aha! I'm not actually Canadian. I merely live here... (Cue a Bane meme).

"We need to stop sexually objectifying women"

Yes, we do.

But that loops back to my point of a good start being not making a big deal when you see them at gaming/hobby stores.

Calling out the obvious sexism. (The K-wing example from 10 pages ago).

Just being decent. No-one needs to go out of their way.

I don't do that

But when someone does something that makes another uncomfortable (not just women) I discourage that behavior

That all I do, it just so happens that I see it more often against women

You might not, but people do.

That's as sexist as making the obvious catcalls, as that is essentially in a roundabout way telling the lady she isn't supposed to be there. Hey, you are a woman in a mans room. Why are you here?

That's a real sexist issue. One I am quite proud of literally never doing.

Oh yeah definitely that is a problem that I also do not like.

By "making the environment more safe for woman"

I meant stop with the blatantly sexist and awful comments

something that people should do regardless of whether anyone is there to be offended by them

(same goes for racist, and other offensive comments obviously but this thread is discussing women mostly)

Aha! I'm not actually Canadian. I merely live here... (Cue a Bane meme).

Then the cold will kill you before I even get you on the ice floe, impostor.

Oh yeah definitely that is a problem that I also do not like.

By "making the environment more safe for woman"

I meant stop with the blatantly sexist and awful comments

something that people should do regardless of whether anyone is there to be offended by them

(same goes for racist, and other offensive comments obviously but this thread is discussing women mostly)

And ya ruined it. We had a nice ending going, where everyone was talking about what they learned. But you just screwed it up.

We probably do. Harrassment = bad. No-one is gonna argue. Anything . literally anything past the staring argument is = 100% bad.

No-one is arguing this.

My point is that a near naked 20 year old is hard not to stare at. Even when you are really, really trying not to.

I hid an experiment in the above sentence. First person to call it out gets an internet cookie, or a +1, or something.

Can I just say that after reading through this thread and enjoying seeing the opinions of both sides, that I agree with you.

There is a difference between what you have a RIGHT to do, and what you SHOULD do. With regards to how people dress, everyone has the right to dress how they like (except for complete public nudity), but that does not mean that people should expect to be able to dress however they like in any situation and not receive any negative consequences from it. Why is there a law against public nudity? For the same reasons there are laws against having sexual relations in public; it makes people exceedingly uncomfortable and disturbs the peace. This is considered completely okay and logical, so why is it that the second someone covers the very barest essentials needed to not be 'naked', it's suddenly everyone else's fault and they should have to suck it up because the other person is just 'expressing themselves' or whatever? Of course, blatant and prolonged staring is creepy and bad, and any form of unwanted contact/harassment/groping/assault is utterly unacceptable and morally repugnant, regardless of how someone else is dressed. But that does not mean that people don't have a certain personal responsibility to exercise some logical self-determination and behave/dress appropriately.

It's your right to turn up to a funeral wearing bright neon colours and a gimp mask if you so wish, but the majority of people would think you incredibly disrespectful for doing so, and it would no doubt have a negative impact on the whole affair. And YOU would be in the wrong for doing that. You knew what the situation was and what the appropriate tone/behaviour should be, and you chose to go against it. You exercised your personal rights, but that does not make it a correct course of action. Similarly, if you go out in public wearing a very nice but somewhat uncomfortable suit, chances are it's because you want people to see how smart you look.

Another point is, why would someone wear a very outlandish/garish/revealing costume if they don't want to attract any attention? Literally the whole point of wearing an outfit like that is for it to be eye catching. Why do people go to cons to cosplay? Because they want to be able to show off their outfit/persona to the world. If the simple act of wearing the costume is what gratifies you, then why waste all the time and money going to a con when you could just wear it at home or with your friends and get the same effect? The same goes for the logic of "they're wearing it for their friends/partner/whatever, not for you". Okay, fine, but then why go out in public? Why show to the world something that is meant to be for the enjoyment of a select few individuals, and those individuals only?

My point is that it is ludicrous to say that all the responsibility rests with the onlooker, and that if they feel uncomfortable, they are the ones at fault and should just 'look away'. Creeping/harassment is NEVER acceptable, but if you insist on wearing a revealing costume to a public event, you cannot conversely expect everyone to look at you the exact same way as if you were wearing a baggy t-**** and trackies. Especially as the sole purpose of wearing an eye-catching costume is, as the name implies, to catch the eye.

And ya ruined it. We had a nice ending going, where everyone was talking about what they learned. But you just screwed it up.

Like one of those PBS episodes where everyone sits around like, "Well, now that I think about it..."

As rainbows and shooting stars show in the background.

Oh yeah definitely that is a problem that I also do not like.

By "making the environment more safe for woman"

I meant stop with the blatantly sexist and awful comments

something that people should do regardless of whether anyone is there to be offended by them

(same goes for racist, and other offensive comments obviously but this thread is discussing women mostly)

And ya ruined it. We had a nice ending going, where everyone was talking about what they learned. But you just screwed it up.

Well technically I'm threatening to murder Darius, so I ruined it first.

Well there goes that ending. Completely out of reach now.

See, that right there is in the same filing cabinet as some of the other stuff (Really obvious)

I don't think anyone is arguing that, or has ever argued that in this thread.

Thank you good sir. I'd include a like but I've been dry for like 8 pages.

I'm sorry guys. I have no body paint. It was all an elaborate ruse.

Cheers

Baaa

Oh yeah definitely that is a problem that I also do not like.

By "making the environment more safe for woman"

I meant stop with the blatantly sexist and awful comments

something that people should do regardless of whether anyone is there to be offended by them

(same goes for racist, and other offensive comments obviously but this thread is discussing women mostly)

And ya ruined it. We had a nice ending going, where everyone was talking about what they learned. But you just screwed it up.

Well technically I'm threatening to murder Darius, so I ruined it first.

Yea but atleast you weren't posting something *serious* (shuddering at using such profanity)

We probably do. Harrassment = bad. No-one is gonna argue. Anything . literally anything past the staring argument is = 100% bad.

No-one is arguing this.

My point is that a near naked 20 year old is hard not to stare at. Even when you are really, really trying not to.

I hid an experiment in the above sentence. First person to call it out gets an internet cookie, or a +1, or something.

Can I just say that after reading through this thread and enjoying seeing the opinions of both sides, that I agree with you.

There is a difference between what you have a RIGHT to do, and what you SHOULD do. With regards to how people dress, everyone has the right to dress how they like (except for complete public nudity), but that does not mean that people should expect to be able to dress however they like in any situation and not receive any negative consequences from it. Why is there a law against public nudity? For the same reasons there are laws against having sexual relations in public; it makes people exceedingly uncomfortable and disturbs the peace. This is considered completely okay and logical, so why is it that the second someone covers the very barest essentials needed to not be 'naked', it's suddenly everyone else's fault and they should have to suck it up because the other person is just 'expressing themselves' or whatever? Of course, blatant and prolonged staring is creepy and bad, and any form of unwanted contact/harassment/groping/assault is utterly unacceptable and morally repugnant, regardless of how someone else is dressed. But that does not mean that people don't have a certain personal responsibility to exercise some logical self-determination and behave/dress appropriately.

It's your right to turn up to a funeral wearing bright neon colours and a gimp mask if you so wish, but the majority of people would think you incredibly disrespectful for doing so, and it would no doubt have a negative impact on the whole affair. And YOU would be in the wrong for doing that. You knew what the situation was and what the appropriate tone/behaviour should be, and you chose to go against it. You exercised your personal rights, but that does not make it a correct course of action. Similarly, if you go out in public wearing a very nice but somewhat uncomfortable suit, chances are it's because you want people to see how smart you look.

Another point is, why would someone wear a very outlandish/garish/revealing costume if they don't want to attract any attention? Literally the whole point of wearing an outfit like that is for it to be eye catching. Why do people go to cons to cosplay? Because they want to be able to show off their outfit/persona to the world. If the simple act of wearing the costume is what gratifies you, then why waste all the time and money going to a con when you could just wear it at home or with your friends and get the same effect? The same goes for the logic of "they're wearing it for their friends/partner/whatever, not for you". Okay, fine, but then why go out in public? Why show to the world something that is meant to be for the enjoyment of a select few individuals, and those individuals only?

My point is that it is ludicrous to say that all the responsibility rests with the onlooker, and that if they feel uncomfortable, they are the ones at fault and should just 'look away'. Creeping/harassment is NEVER acceptable, but if you insist on wearing a revealing costume to a public event, you cannot conversely expect everyone to look at you the exact same way as if you were wearing a baggy t-**** and trackies. Especially as the sole purpose of wearing an eye-catching costume is, as the name implies, to catch the eye.

Trying to just end this, but thank you sir. I'm glad that was understood. Maybe I was appearing too conservative, that's not me at all. Just... yeah.

Oh yeah definitely that is a problem that I also do not like.

By "making the environment more safe for woman"

I meant stop with the blatantly sexist and awful comments

something that people should do regardless of whether anyone is there to be offended by them

(same goes for racist, and other offensive comments obviously but this thread is discussing women mostly)

And ya ruined it. We had a nice ending going, where everyone was talking about what they learned. But you just screwed it up.

****'t i was trying to agree and be a part of the resolution

i ****** it up again

-goes to shame corner-

We probably do. Harrassment = bad. No-one is gonna argue. Anything . literally anything past the staring argument is = 100% bad.

No-one is arguing this.

My point is that a near naked 20 year old is hard not to stare at. Even when you are really, really trying not to.

I hid an experiment in the above sentence. First person to call it out gets an internet cookie, or a +1, or something.

It is as against the bro code to stare at another bro`so junk at the pissoir, half naked or otherwise. Now give cookies

Actually close enough.

I did not specify Gender.

Well there goes that ending. Completely out of reach now.

We can still sell it as a marvel style after the credits scene.

Hell, 23 pages?!

o_o

Maybe there is hope!

-mace windu walks in with an eyepatch-
I would like to talk to you about the less sexist bull initiative

It's moments like this where I am truly proud to be a part of this community.

Heck maybe this thread will actually end before it is locked (truly setting a precedent).