Kind of stupid? I also hate how they're making the A-wing and B-wing older fighters, and not new designs.

The B-wing is a new design. The A-wing makes much more sense as KSE's evolution of the Delta-7 than another Rebel homebrew. The Rebels sure homebrewed a lot of fighters in the old canon. Makes more sense to me that the A-wings have a similar origin to the Y-wings.

How they acquire the X-wings remains to be seen.

The EU explanation was MUCH better.

Sympathetic starship manufacturers (namely Incom and Koensayr) secretely produced starships in hidden factories, to sell to the rebels at discounts. Incom also designed the X-wing for the rebels to use. Makes way much more sense then the rebels buying them from the same guys who make ISDs, or the rebels stealing them from some planet that bought them.

The X-wing, yes: the design team defected and handed the Empire's newest heavy fighter over to the Rebels. Not the Y-wing. Even in the old EU the Y-wing is a ubiquitous design which the Rebels have because everyone has them.

Kind of stupid? I also hate how they're making the A-wing and B-wing older fighters, and not new designs.

It's my understanding that these are both predecessors of the ships we currently have. The B-Wing in the episode is openly acknowledged as the prototype. It doesn't even have a working hyperdrive yet. That's why the Attack Shuttle was docked to it when it jumped in -- they were using the Phantom's hyperdrive to get the B-Wing into the battle.

The B-Wing jumped out of the system fine on its own

It was docked, this was a B-wing prototype not the B-wing itself.

Although why would the prototype be able to do more damage than capital ships while the final B-wings did not? I call bait and switch.

See, I don't think so, it's not implausible to believe that while the weapon system the ship uses was cool, it was a one shot deal and burnt out the systems, it could be that it was not really considered worthwhile and effective if the ship could not jump on its own and could only get one (albeit impressive and powerful) attack, it is possible that they scaled back the weapons power and effectiveness in exchange for a hyperdrive.

We never ever saw the B-Wing actually perform in the Battle of Endor, it is a clean slate to say how it worked and making it a heavy anti-cruiser attack craft is not beyond the realm of thought, especially when you consider the concept art for the B-Wing:

Three lone B-Wings destroying a Star Destroyer, yeah right that sounds just as plausible as a lone A-Wing destroying a Super Star Destroyer hah!.....Oh yeah...funny how people can forget implausible moments in the original trilogy, yet when Rebels or the Prequels do it, it is suddenly a problem.

It was docked,

I stand corrected. I just re-watched the episode and indeed it was docked when leaving the system. You see it flying freely chased by fighters, get a side shot as well without seeing the phantom in it, but right when the thing jumps the phantom is docked, you can see it for less than a second. My bad. You for sure paid more attention to that episode than I did.

So I think some of you are making a mountain out of a mole hill about this A-wing thing. How many times have the Russians fought an enemy with an AK-47? how many other nations on earth fly the F-18 or F-16, not all of wich are as cuddley as us Canadians. Or check out the missiles that Israel put on their planes, it is a mix of copied Russian and American stuff.. Anyway, some weapon manufacturers do have rules about who they sell to if they are cozy with a rich nation but others don't.

We are talking about a galaxy far far away that makes maximum use of bounty hunters and gangsters.. do you really think that two different groups of people can't buy from the same company?

If aanything, I wanted the Bwing to be retroactively designed by the same people who put the Falcon and Outrider's cockpits way out on the side.

Kind of stupid? I also hate how they're making the A-wing and B-wing older fighters, and not new designs.

It's my understanding that these are both predecessors of the ships we currently have. The B-Wing in the episode is openly acknowledged as the prototype. It doesn't even have a working hyperdrive yet. That's why the Attack Shuttle was docked to it when it jumped in -- they were using the Phantom's hyperdrive to get the B-Wing into the battle.

The B-Wing jumped out of the system fine on its own

It was docked, this was a B-wing prototype not the B-wing itself.

Although why would the prototype be able to do more damage than capital ships while the final B-wings did not? I call bait and switch.

See, I don't think so, it's not implausible to believe that while the weapon system the ship uses was cool, it was a one shot deal and burnt out the systems, it could be that it was not really considered worthwhile and effective if the ship could not jump on its own and could only get one (albeit impressive and powerful) attack, it is possible that they scaled back the weapons power and effectiveness in exchange for a hyperdrive.

We never ever saw the B-Wing actually perform in the Battle of Endor, it is a clean slate to say how it worked and making it a heavy anti-cruiser attack craft is not beyond the realm of thought, especially when you consider the concept art for the B-Wing:

They did shoot scenes of B-wings doing torpedo runs, but the ship didn't show up on film, so the scenes were scrapped. Regardless, its illogical to think that the technology to put mini-deathstars on ships of that size was never utilized except for 1 prototype. Its just bad retro-conning, which is par for the course on Rebels.

It was docked,

I stand corrected. I just re-watched the episode and indeed it was docked when leaving the system. You see it flying freely chased by fighters, get a side shot as well without seeing the phantom in it, but right when the thing jumps the phantom is docked, you can see it for less than a second. My bad. You for sure paid more attention to that episode than I did.

All I did was watch the video, never saw the episode. At first I thought cool we finally get to see a B-wing in action outside of rouge leader. Then I saw the mini-deathstar laser and was like really?

But scary is that Disney could have FFG make a B-wing prototype and this onetime use superlaser could be a thing.

They did shoot scenes of B-wings doing torpedo runs, but the ship didn't show up on film, so the scenes were scrapped. Regardless, its illogical to think that the technology to put mini-deathstars on ships of that size was never utilized except for 1 prototype. Its just bad retro-conning, which is par for the course on Rebels.

Yet somehow B-wing attacks didn't even make it into the special editions or blue-ray.

So...you're telling me that 10+ years before ANH, the Rebels had B-wings that could 1-shot Star Destroyers....and never deployed them? Who the hell ok'd this ****?

There are so many problems in this sentence from a veteran forum member that this absolutely has to be bait.

Yes, secret factories make more sense than fighters in the wild falling into rebel hands.

At least A-wings were said to have been made in private fab shops across the galaxy (Tycho mentions this in The Bacta War stating that his cockpit was adorned with some kind of fancy wood). You're probably talking about a 20 man operation max in a lot of cases. Presumably it was the same with Bs and Xs, but who knows?

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Do you mean the Sentinel? You know that was in the Special Edition of A New Hope

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People need to not overestimate the power of this weapon just because it two-shots an Arquitens.

This is the same show where a standard TIE Fighter can one-shot a large transport. And a TIE Advanced can destroy a Frigate in a half a dozen hits.

Ships are just really fragile on Rebels.

Compared to books and games, all the vissual medium make ships fairly delicate. See stardestroyers destroyed by small asteroid hits, super star destroyers taken down by a wings and lots and lots of fighters going 'pop'.

With the Aquitens specifically, its also worth noting that it's an old clone wars design. Perhaps it's armour just isnt up to modern standards. Just look at the tie bomber explosion. IT causes some minor external damage.... and blows up the forward magazine which is apparently right in the nose where it will be good and vulnerable. Perhaps the super laser thing would be useless against thicker star destroyer hulls, and too inacurate for fighters and smaller vessels, thus useless to the later rebels.

Experimental Superlaser

B-Wing Only

Cannon

0 points

Attack 6

Range 1

You cannot perform attacks with your primary weapon. Discard this card to perform this attack. If you successfully hit, immediately remove the target from play.

Except that they have openly said that the A-wing is the RZ-1 A-wing, the same ship you see in RotJ. I hate that. Also, if the A-wing is made by KDY, the same people who make ISDs, A.) why/how would they sell to rebels, B.) why would the Empire allow them to, and C.) why would the Empire not buy them themselves.

I know A-wings have always had a muddled history with R-22s and all those retcons to patch things up, but the whole made by Rebel engineers makes so much more sense then what they have currently.

A.) They would sell through multiple shell organisations, for independent planetary defence forces, local law enforcement and border control, bounty hunters, mercenary groups, etc. The Rebels would use these sorts of businesses as fronts. KDY would do this for the enormous profit that it brings.

B.) The Empire has to tread very lightly with the people who make their ships. If they start to cut into KDYs profits, they may just find that the next shipment of replacement turbolaser parts for their fleet is 'delayed'.

C.) The Empire doesn't buy them because they don't think they're cost effective. They prefer to buy cheaper, disposable ships rather than more advanced and capable fighters, where the Rebellion has less pilots and values their lives more highly, so prefers more robust and powerful ships.

Experimental Super Laser

Bwing Only

Attack=5

Range=1-2

"Attack[Focus]: Spend a focus token to perform this attack against a large ship only. For each uncancelled hit or crit result, deal 1 faceup damage card to the defender and then receive 1 ion token."

KSE does not make star destroyers. KDY does not make fighters.

Dont confuse the two.

.........................................................................................yeah.

I might give Rebels a miss.

Smart.

I made the mistake of watching the first season of it. It's basically what you'd expect from Disney star wars.

Example; there's a lightsaber that's also a gun. Because how cool is a lightsaber gun when you're 6 years old.

Which I suppose is the point - I don't care for rebels as I'm in my 30s, but it's probably not a bad show for its target audience of 3-11 year olds.

You probably miss the Vong.

Rebels... utter tripe.

I'm a huge fan of the show, but that is one of the worst bits from it.

That and helicoper sabers....

BWing cannon bad...bad...

Helicopter sabers...Good!

.........................................................................................yeah.

I might give Rebels a miss.

Smart.

I made the mistake of watching the first season of it. It's basically what you'd expect from Disney star wars.

Example; there's a lightsaber that's also a gun. Because how cool is a lightsaber gun when you're 6 years old.

Which I suppose is the point - I don't care for rebels as I'm in my 30s, but it's probably not a bad show for its target audience of 3-11 year olds.

You probably miss the Vong.

Hah, you know the funny part? THE VONG ARE STILL OUT THERE

but now they're called Skorne and live in WarmaHordes

1) The Prototype only had the "super laser" for the sake of the episode's plot. The Rebels needed a way through the blockade while they were getting shot up so presto, 1-shot-light-cruiser-Proto to the rescue.

2) As I pointed out in, I think the Rebels discussion thread, since the B-wings in Jedi did not of this weapon, we can assume it was not worth it on full production line B-wings because of either cost or power requirement or some other reason.

3) I haven't read that the KDY are now the source of the A-wings but if they are, it doesn't matter. It's a company producing another line of fighters. Main seller is the SDs but they could have a division producing high quality fighters on the side to high paying clients in the hopes of perfecting a design and getting costs down to the point that the Empire would look at buying some(competing with SFS).

4) There is no need for this weapon(as put forth in the OP) in a game of X-wing, even epic play. Having 1 sub-30 point, small base ship 1-shot an huge ship costing 75-100 points, that has no chance of dodging even a single hit is ridiculous to even suggest. No one would even play against that.

At best it should be 1-shot, 4 or 5 dice that only targets large or huge ships. Maybe on a crit, it deals an extra hit or something.

.........................................................................................yeah.

I might give Rebels a miss.

Smart.

I made the mistake of watching the first season of it. It's basically what you'd expect from Disney star wars.

Example; there's a lightsaber that's also a gun. Because how cool is a lightsaber gun when you're 6 years old.

Which I suppose is the point - I don't care for rebels as I'm in my 30s, but it's probably not a bad show for its target audience of 3-11 year olds.

You probably miss the Vong.

Hah, you know the funny part? THE VONG ARE STILL OUT THERE

but now they're called Skorne and live in WarmaHordes

I always figured them for more personable Tyranids myself...

The problem with having a B-wing that can one shot a large imperial ship, is that it kind of obsoletes said imperial ships; yet, we see the Empire continue to field these large ships throughout the original trilogy. This opens up another can of worms which some thoughtful planing on the part of the writers could have avoided. In the meantime we're left with fansplaining to make sense of all this.

The problem with having a B-wing that can one shot a large imperial ship, is that it kind of obsoletes said imperial ships; yet, we see the Empire continue to field these large ships throughout the original trilogy. This opens up another can of worms which some thoughtful planing on the part of the writers could have avoided. In the meantime we're left with fansplaining to make sense of all this.

Star Wars always required copious amounts of fansplaining to make any kind of sense. This is why you get explanations of the Kessel run involving a cluster of black holes because lol. Or private fab shops producing the equivalent of the F-22 because lol. Or etc.

The problem with having a B-wing that can one shot a large imperial ship, is that it kind of obsoletes said imperial ships; yet, we see the Empire continue to field these large ships throughout the original trilogy. This opens up another can of worms which some thoughtful planing on the part of the writers could have avoided. In the meantime we're left with fansplaining to make sense of all this.

Star Wars always required copious amounts of fansplaining to make any kind of sense. This is why you get explanations of the Kessel run involving a cluster of black holes because lol. Or private fab shops producing the equivalent of the F-22 because lol. Or etc.

The problem with having a B-wing that can one shot a large imperial ship, is that it kind of obsoletes said imperial ships; yet, we see the Empire continue to field these large ships throughout the original trilogy. This opens up another can of worms which some thoughtful planing on the part of the writers could have avoided. In the meantime we're left with fansplaining to make sense of all this.

Star Wars always required copious amounts of fansplaining to make any kind of sense. This is why you get explanations of the Kessel run involving a cluster of black holes because lol. Or private fab shops producing the equivalent of the F-22 because lol. Or etc.

Don't underestimate the abilities of private fab shops... we work in barely measurable tolerances, so assuming the design and raw materials were available it's not that weird to be able to build them from scratch, especially since As/Bs are in fact not chock full of advanced over-engineered frills like the F-22 is.

If you want an F-22 look at the E-wing... expensive, hard to repair, and not an efficient replacement for their predecessor.

.........................................................................................yeah.

I might give Rebels a miss.

Smart.

I made the mistake of watching the first season of it. It's basically what you'd expect from Disney star wars.

Example; there's a lightsaber that's also a gun. Because how cool is a lightsaber gun when you're 6 years old.

Which I suppose is the point - I don't care for rebels as I'm in my 30s, but it's probably not a bad show for its target audience of 3-11 year olds.

You probably miss the Vong.

Hah, you know the funny part? THE VONG ARE STILL OUT THERE

but now they're called Skorne and live in WarmaHordes

I always figured them for more personable Tyranids myself...

Invaders from outside the knowk world who employ bio-engineerd weapons look like weird ****, have awkward caste system and like to zergrush you.

Yep, almost like tyranids.