Kind of stupid? I also hate how they're making the A-wing and B-wing older fighters, and not new designs.

It's my understanding that these are both predecessors of the ships we currently have. The B-Wing in the episode is openly acknowledged as the prototype. It doesn't even have a working hyperdrive yet. That's why the Attack Shuttle was docked to it when it jumped in -- they were using the Phantom's hyperdrive to get the B-Wing into the battle.

It also makes sense. I mean, you have to start somewhere if you want to end up with the X-Wing and Y-Wing. They still need to show us the C-Wing through W-Wings.

I think it's been stated that the A-wings we are seeing are just part of a different Rebel cell; X-wings being in use by the particular cell that eventually assaults the Death Star. Yes, a bit of ret-conning but I like it.

I'll just say I LOVE the show and there's nothing wrong with disliking the show, and hopefully the thread won't dissolve into a flamewar.

Oh, don't get me wrong, I like the show, but they've done soo much crap with it that doesn't make sense. As for the whole rebel cells thing. The Rebels in Episode 4-6 are the Rebel Alliance. Emphasis on Alliance. All of them. And again, they're making out A-wings to be mass produced by the company that makes Star Destroyers. So many problems arise just from that, let alone appearing this early in the canon.

They've mailed in second season.

Honestly, I see Rebels taking the same turn as Battltech took with the Mechwarrior cartoon. The events were based on truth but were exaggerated in an in universe cartoon and propaganda.

Also seen in the video:

Plot armour:

system slot.

Rebel only 5 points.

when targetted by enemy ship, you may add 2 evade tokens to every roll you make.

So...you're telling me that 10+ years before ANH, the Rebels had B-wings that could 1-shot Star Destroyers....and never deployed them? Who the hell ok'd this ****?

it seems the disney designers failed hard.

-we need moar new ships!

-erm, we got ghost

-more!

- we have a liny lambda.

-...alright, we got it. add everything from Ep V+ and add "prototype" to that.

-yessir!

and that's how we got "prototype" B and "prototype" A.

You probably need the following as well...

"B-wing prototype title"
- you must field one attack shuttle
- you must equip the superlaser , paying it's point cost.
? points


and the superlaser card needs -
and receive one weapons disabled token and discard this card.

Kind of stupid? I also hate how they're making the A-wing and B-wing older fighters, and not new designs.

It's my understanding that these are both predecessors of the ships we currently have. The B-Wing in the episode is openly acknowledged as the prototype. It doesn't even have a working hyperdrive yet. That's why the Attack Shuttle was docked to it when it jumped in -- they were using the Phantom's hyperdrive to get the B-Wing into the battle.

It also makes sense. I mean, you have to start somewhere if you want to end up with the X-Wing and Y-Wing. They still need to show us the C-Wing through W-Wings.

I think it's been stated that the A-wings we are seeing are just part of a different Rebel cell; X-wings being in use by the particular cell that eventually assaults the Death Star. Yes, a bit of ret-conning but I like it.

I'll just say I LOVE the show and there's nothing wrong with disliking the show, and hopefully the thread won't dissolve into a flamewar.

Oh, don't get me wrong, I like the show, but they've done soo much crap with it that doesn't make sense. As for the whole rebel cells thing. The Rebels in Episode 4-6 are the Rebel Alliance. Emphasis on Alliance. All of them. And again, they're making out A-wings to be mass produced by the company that makes Star Destroyers. So many problems arise just from that, let alone appearing this early in the canon.

Well for starters we don't know that the Rebels did purchase those ships legitimately and if they did it probably was on the down low. I doubt a Rebel operative wearing the Rebel Alliance phoenix insignia walked into the KDY dealership and said "I'd like to purchase those A-Wings you have which I am totally buying for my own personal security force and not some fledgling Rebel Alliance."

What I think is more implausible? The original EU canon of The Rebel Alliance BUILDING SHIPS. They are a Rebel group on the run, with limited funds and resources, where do they find the time, location and resources to build an entire ship design and keep them in production long enough to actually be worthwhile in the war.

Kind of stupid? I also hate how they're making the A-wing and B-wing older fighters, and not new designs.

It's my understanding that these are both predecessors of the ships we currently have. The B-Wing in the episode is openly acknowledged as the prototype. It doesn't even have a working hyperdrive yet. That's why the Attack Shuttle was docked to it when it jumped in -- they were using the Phantom's hyperdrive to get the B-Wing into the battle.

It also makes sense. I mean, you have to start somewhere if you want to end up with the X-Wing and Y-Wing. They still need to show us the C-Wing through W-Wings.

I think it's been stated that the A-wings we are seeing are just part of a different Rebel cell; X-wings being in use by the particular cell that eventually assaults the Death Star. Yes, a bit of ret-conning but I like it.

I'll just say I LOVE the show and there's nothing wrong with disliking the show, and hopefully the thread won't dissolve into a flamewar.

Oh, don't get me wrong, I like the show, but they've done soo much crap with it that doesn't make sense. As for the whole rebel cells thing. The Rebels in Episode 4-6 are the Rebel Alliance. Emphasis on Alliance. All of them. And again, they're making out A-wings to be mass produced by the company that makes Star Destroyers. So many problems arise just from that, let alone appearing this early in the canon.

From looking at Wookiepedia, it sounds like the A-Wing design was modified by the Rebel Alliance in the movies. It's faster and more agile, but at the expense of weapons and shielding that the Phoenix Squadron version uses. That much you can tell just by looking at them -- the A-Wings in Rebels have very different cannons from the ones in the films.

I'll admit that making it a Kuat ship is a mind-bogglingly stupid change, as it makes one wonder why the main supplier of Imperial Star Destroyers produced this ship (though it fits with the wedge shape) and why it was more common in the hands of the Rebels than in the Imperial fleet.

So...you're telling me that 10+ years before ANH, the Rebels had B-wings that could 1-shot Star Destroyers....and never deployed them? Who the hell ok'd this ****?

Cruisers, not Destroyers.

And Darth Vader in his x1 could do basically the same (also, fly backwards).

Also seen in the video:

Plot armour:

system slot.

Rebel only 5 points.

when targetted by enemy ship, you may add 2 evade tokens to every roll you make.

So...you're telling me that 10+ years before ANH, the Rebels had B-wings that could 1-shot Star Destroyers....and never deployed them? Who the hell ok'd this ****?

it seems the disney designers failed hard.

-we need moar new ships!

-erm, we got ghost

-more!

- we have a liny lambda.

-...alright, we got it. add everything from Ep V+ and add "prototype" to that.

-yessir!

and that's how we got "prototype" B and "prototype" A.

The "multi-cannon" used in this episode put a serious strain on the B-Wing's systems. It had some major engine problems, and firing the weapon also killed the ship's hyperdrive. It's not unreasonable to assume that the weapon, while powerful, had some major drawbacks that could not be solved, and it was judged to be impractical for mass production.

Also, the ship destroyed was only a light cruiser, not a full Star Destroyer. It's more in line with a Raider.

Kind of stupid? I also hate how they're making the A-wing and B-wing older fighters, and not new designs.

It's my understanding that these are both predecessors of the ships we currently have. The B-Wing in the episode is openly acknowledged as the prototype. It doesn't even have a working hyperdrive yet. That's why the Attack Shuttle was docked to it when it jumped in -- they were using the Phantom's hyperdrive to get the B-Wing into the battle.

It also makes sense. I mean, you have to start somewhere if you want to end up with the X-Wing and Y-Wing. They still need to show us the C-Wing through W-Wings.

I think it's been stated that the A-wings we are seeing are just part of a different Rebel cell; X-wings being in use by the particular cell that eventually assaults the Death Star. Yes, a bit of ret-conning but I like it.

I'll just say I LOVE the show and there's nothing wrong with disliking the show, and hopefully the thread won't dissolve into a flamewar.

Oh, don't get me wrong, I like the show, but they've done soo much crap with it that doesn't make sense. As for the whole rebel cells thing. The Rebels in Episode 4-6 are the Rebel Alliance. Emphasis on Alliance. All of them. And again, they're making out A-wings to be mass produced by the company that makes Star Destroyers. So many problems arise just from that, let alone appearing this early in the canon.

Well for starters we don't know that the Rebels did purchase those ships legitimately and if they did it probably was on the down low. I doubt a Rebel operative wearing the Rebel Alliance phoenix insignia walked into the KDY dealership and said "I'd like to purchase those A-Wings you have which I am totally buying for my own personal security force and not some fledgling Rebel Alliance."

What I think is more implausible? The original EU canon of The Rebel Alliance BUILDING SHIPS. They are a Rebel group on the run, with limited funds and resources, where do they find the time, location and resources to build an entire ship design and keep them in production long enough to actually be worthwhile in the war.

EU writers just had a hard on mon calmari. that's all.

so great their hard was, they even wrote a story of how cool they were, driving teh empire out with kitchen tools tentacles and mary sue power.

Also seen in the video:

Plot armour:

system slot.

Rebel only 5 points.

when targetted by enemy ship, you may add 2 evade tokens to every roll you make.

So...you're telling me that 10+ years before ANH, the Rebels had B-wings that could 1-shot Star Destroyers....and never deployed them? Who the hell ok'd this ****?

it seems the disney designers failed hard.

-we need moar new ships!

-erm, we got ghost

-more!

- we have a liny lambda.

-...alright, we got it. add everything from Ep V+ and add "prototype" to that.

-yessir!

and that's how we got "prototype" B and "prototype" A.

The "multi-cannon" used in this episode put a serious strain on the B-Wing's systems. It had some major engine problems, and firing the weapon also killed the ship's hyperdrive. It's not unreasonable to assume that the weapon, while powerful, had some major drawbacks that could not be solved, and it was judged to be impractical for mass production.

Also, the ship destroyed was only a light cruiser, not a full Star Destroyer. It's more in line with a Raider.

At worse, you'd be trading a B-wing and 2 pilots to destroy an entire cruiser...it makes no sense that weapons like that wouldn't be utilized by ANH. I know this is a kids show and we're supposed to suspend belief and logic, but the shark is now officially jumped.

If my memory serves me right(no promises), the A-wing was designed by Jan Dodonna and a rebel engineer. Don't know why they changed it. Was a totally original rebel build.

Kind of stupid? I also hate how they're making the A-wing and B-wing older fighters, and not new designs.

It's my understanding that these are both predecessors of the ships we currently have. The B-Wing in the episode is openly acknowledged as the prototype. It doesn't even have a working hyperdrive yet. That's why the Attack Shuttle was docked to it when it jumped in -- they were using the Phantom's hyperdrive to get the B-Wing into the battle.

It also makes sense. I mean, you have to start somewhere if you want to end up with the X-Wing and Y-Wing. They still need to show us the C-Wing through W-Wings.

I think it's been stated that the A-wings we are seeing are just part of a different Rebel cell; X-wings being in use by the particular cell that eventually assaults the Death Star. Yes, a bit of ret-conning but I like it.

I'll just say I LOVE the show and there's nothing wrong with disliking the show, and hopefully the thread won't dissolve into a flamewar.

Oh, don't get me wrong, I like the show, but they've done soo much crap with it that doesn't make sense. As for the whole rebel cells thing. The Rebels in Episode 4-6 are the Rebel Alliance. Emphasis on Alliance. All of them. And again, they're making out A-wings to be mass produced by the company that makes Star Destroyers. So many problems arise just from that, let alone appearing this early in the canon.

Well for starters we don't know that the Rebels did purchase those ships legitimately and if they did it probably was on the down low. I doubt a Rebel operative wearing the Rebel Alliance phoenix insignia walked into the KDY dealership and said "I'd like to purchase those A-Wings you have which I am totally buying for my own personal security force and not some fledgling Rebel Alliance."

What I think is more implausible? The original EU canon of The Rebel Alliance BUILDING SHIPS. They are a Rebel group on the run, with limited funds and resources, where do they find the time, location and resources to build an entire ship design and keep them in production long enough to actually be worthwhile in the war.

They were supported by several sympathetic companies like Incom and Koensayr (Creators of the X-wing and Y-wing respectively), who were willing manufacture stuff for them at discounts. Meanwhile, KDY flourished under the Empire, who bought most of their capital ships from them. KDY were proud supporters of the Empire, unlike Incom and Koensayr who secretely built ships for the Rebels (Incom manufactured A-wings for the Rebels, although they were designed by Dodanna and an ex-KDY designer). Makes way more sense then what they are doing now with them.

The other thing which I really loved about the B-Wing episode was that it introduced into canon the Rebellion's top fighter designer: a Mon Calamari engineer named Quarrie.

It was such a brilliant way to pay tribute to the person who designed so many of the ships we love.

The superlaser cannon thing drains the B-wing, so if it were to be in the game I'd guess it might be represented as a base 3 attack secondary with the ability for you to discard shield tokens to add attack dice. Though maybe limiting it only to Large and Huge ships would be best, since it doesn't seem to be a super accurate weapon.

Also as to why the standard B-wing might not have it could be that it follows Gundam logic where the prototype is the best version of the ship/mobile suit and that it has all the cool experimental stuff that would cost too much to be placed on other ship, or would be too hard to replicate on mass produced ships. Also considering that the ship wasn't made for the Rebels in the show but by a Mon Cal who just wanted to make a coo little ship, maybe he just strapped all the things he thought were cool or interesting on it.

Ten numb says pls. He enjoys 1 shotting ghosts.

Good point better make it a B-wing Prototype only upgrade. B-wing prototype would be just like B-wing only with 2 Hull and 4 shields and instead of a systems upgrade it would have a crew upgrade.

Point cost, 15?

The superlaser cannon thing drains the B-wing, so if it were to be in the game I'd guess it might be represented as a base 3 attack secondary with the ability for you to discard shield tokens to add attack dice. Though maybe limiting it only to Large and Huge ships would be best, since it doesn't seem to be a super accurate weapon.

Also as to why the standard B-wing might not have it could be that it follows Gundam logic where the prototype is the best version of the ship/mobile suit and that it has all the cool experimental stuff that would cost too much to be placed on other ship, or would be too hard to replicate on mass produced ships. Also considering that the ship wasn't made for the Rebels in the show but by a Mon Cal who just wanted to make a coo little ship, maybe he just strapped all the things he thought were cool or interesting on it.

It'd need to have some serious drawbacks. I'm talking, it'd need to be unique, with poor accuracy (low number of attack dice), deal 2-3 damage to the attacker, and cause you to take two or more stress tokens after attacking.

I would say that the A-wings in rebels were 'stolen' by the alliance in a similar fashion as the ships in the Leia episode. Some sympathetic world is allowing the rebels to 'steal' their fighters on a regular basis. Or the A-wing is a civilian design that the alliance has ready access to.

It's also still possibly that Dodona leads the effort to redesign the A-wing into a fast interceptor instead of light fighter. In the same way we can have Ackbar involved with he design of the the production B-wing after Quarrie had built the prototype.

I'm still hoping the X-wings are treated as just another fighter and nothing special, but I fear the whole Incom secret project team going rogue is gonna be a plot point in an upcoming season. At least we are almost guaranteed that the Y-wings are just war surplus that's been modified by the rebels.

Also seen in the video:

Plot armour:

system slot.

Rebel only 5 points.

when targetted by enemy ship, you may add 2 evade tokens to every roll you make.

So...you're telling me that 10+ years before ANH, the Rebels had B-wings that could 1-shot Star Destroyers....and never deployed them? Who the hell ok'd this ****?

it seems the disney designers failed hard.

-we need moar new ships!

-erm, we got ghost

-more!

- we have a liny lambda.

-...alright, we got it. add everything from Ep V+ and add "prototype" to that.

-yessir!

and that's how we got "prototype" B and "prototype" A.

The "multi-cannon" used in this episode put a serious strain on the B-Wing's systems. It had some major engine problems, and firing the weapon also killed the ship's hyperdrive. It's not unreasonable to assume that the weapon, while powerful, had some major drawbacks that could not be solved, and it was judged to be impractical for mass production.

Also, the ship destroyed was only a light cruiser, not a full Star Destroyer. It's more in line with a Raider.

At worse, you'd be trading a B-wing and 2 pilots to destroy an entire cruiser...it makes no sense that weapons like that wouldn't be utilized by ANH. I know this is a kids show and we're supposed to suspend belief and logic, but the shark is now officially jumped.

You're not using that term correctly. It's only possible to see when something has jumped the shark in hindsight.

Can we used 'nuked the fridge' yet? I mean, yeah the mushroom cloud is still there but...

Still going to watch, I admit. The ideas aren't bad but the execution...

Gundam logic where the prototype is the best version of the ship/mobile suit and that it has all the cool experimental stuff that would cost too much to be placed on other ship, or would be too hard to replicate on mass produced ships. Also considering that the ship wasn't made for the Rebels in the show but by a Mon Cal who just wanted to make a coo little ship, maybe he just strapped all the things he thought were cool or interesting on it.

It's called "special snowflake" logics. "See this one? it's like all the others, but cooler, unique and catchy painted. It has drawbacks that never have any impact and everything goes as intended"

and "strap everything cool you can get your hands on" is Ork logics. Moar dakka!

Can we used 'nuked the fridge' yet? I mean, yeah the mushroom cloud is still there but...

Still going to watch, I admit. The ideas aren't bad but the execution...

That's a term specific to movies. Siege of Lothal doesn't count.

I seriously hope that nothing like this will ever get into the game.

16 pts B-Wing? Is that a joke?

Me in the first half of that clip:

"Maybe I should give Reels another try. This looks awesome!"

Me in the second half of that clip:

"What the %#^*&^^ is this $%^%^&*$%!!!! Flak lasers? A B-Wing that is invulnerable? ^%&%^&&!!! That quad laser thing? %&%&%. Oh, and it single handedly took out a SD with it? %%&@!!

^% you Rebels .. I'm out!"

To be fair, flak lasers have been around in Star Wars for a long time. Try getting within a capital ship's firing solution in X-Wing Alliance.

That B-Wing laser is ridiculous though.

I think 4 Crits were rolled versus 4 blanks.

It would be a Unique card that requires the Title to add a crew to help fire it. Weapons Disabled and Stress Tokens

Also seen in the video:

Plot armour:

system slot.

Rebel only 5 points.

when targetted by enemy ship, you may add 2 evade tokens to every roll you make.

So...you're telling me that 10+ years before ANH, the Rebels had B-wings that could 1-shot Star Destroyers....and never deployed them? Who the hell ok'd this ****?

it seems the disney designers failed hard.

-we need moar new ships!

-erm, we got ghost

-more!

- we have a liny lambda.

-...alright, we got it. add everything from Ep V+ and add "prototype" to that.

-yessir!

and that's how we got "prototype" B and "prototype" A.

The "multi-cannon" used in this episode put a serious strain on the B-Wing's systems. It had some major engine problems, and firing the weapon also killed the ship's hyperdrive. It's not unreasonable to assume that the weapon, while powerful, had some major drawbacks that could not be solved, and it was judged to be impractical for mass production.

Also, the ship destroyed was only a light cruiser, not a full Star Destroyer. It's more in line with a Raider.

At worse, you'd be trading a B-wing and 2 pilots to destroy an entire cruiser...it makes no sense that weapons like that wouldn't be utilized by ANH. I know this is a kids show and we're supposed to suspend belief and logic, but the shark is now officially jumped.

You're not using that term correctly. It's only possible to see when something has jumped the shark in hindsight.

•Bladewing (8)/ Title: Required PS(7+) B-Wing only.

Add a (crew) to upgrade track. Secondary weapon (cannon) may attack targets outside of forward arc. Multi-firing cannons: When attacking, add primary and secondary (cannon) combat dice together as a single attack (do not add secondary weapon special ability). After each MFC attack is done, roll a single combat die, any result other than "blank" will turn over ALL* equipped upgrade cards on fighter, including this card.

*Yes, this means that if adaptability is equipped, the opposite side is played from then on.