Slaanesh's Domination - Just a bit too powerful for my tastes.

By Wytefang, in Warhammer: Invasion The Card Game

After playing against a Chaos deck with this card in it, I think that Slaanesh's Domination (Cost: 2 Resources, 2 Chaos Loyalty) is a bit over-powered. Why allow it to pull 3 cards at random? In most games you'll usually hover between 4-7 cards and the odds of someone nabbing a Tactic is pretty good at 3 draws. I could see it being more balanced if it cost a bit more and/or drew 1 less card but right now, it seems pretty tough (to me) - especially since the person doing the random draws then gets to PLAY any Tactics successfully drawn without paying their cost. Ugh!

Of course, these things are always subjective and I do realized that, but in my experience it's a pretty powerful card that has single-handedly cost me several matches - and that's just a wee bit frustrating at times. I dislike any single card that can directly lead to a victory. :(

It's a neat power but I've found myself starting to question its overall "fairness" in the greater context of the game itself. I'd be curious to hear what others think, although I'm already prepared to hear remarks from people who haven't really faced it a lot in opposing decks at 3 copies per deck who will try to convince me that, "oh, it's no big deal at all." I'll be more prone towards believing those kinds of remarks if you can: 1) Explain specifically why you believe it's not a deal-breaker, and 2) How frequently you've faced it and succeeded, and finally, 3) What you specifically do or did to handle this annoying card.

Many thanks all! Looking forward to hearing everyone's thoughts. :)

It is frustrating but pretty easy, for the most part, to play around. It is like Judgment of Verena, a card that can surprise you once, maybe twice, but when you lose the game to it a couple times it becomes much less likely (ideally) to get caught with it. Holding numerous tactics against a Chaos deck is begging to have them turned against you. So when I face against Chaos I try not to hold more than two tactics, preferably one that can be damaging, and just play them out as soon as they can be used, rather than waiting for three card combos or the perfect situation for me to maximize my use of the card. That is the way you end up facing your own best cards.

Once players move to this level the card becomes far less about grabbing three free tactics while robbing your opponent of his special tools, but becomes about the card reveal and the psychological edge in forcing your opponent to play his cards a certain way out of fear of having them turned against him. Much like JoV becomes less about unit removal and more about forcing your opponent to turn potentially valuable cards into developments and spread those developments across all three zones rather than putting a less than useful card to supplement your weakest zone.

Exactly - the Slaanesh Swipe is pretty much something you have to factor in how you think around - like Dormouse said, aim for shorter-term goals with your tactics and you'll make lesser, but more solid, gains, without having your own weapons turned against you.

If you get hit with it, just play your tactic(s) in response.

Because of the stack resolving with the last card played first, it'll be out of your hand by the time the Domination resolves. You should be able to severely limit your vulnerability - not all your tactics will be immediately playable, so you'll just have to hold a few resources to play those that could be. That will certainly be a limitation, but you can leverage it - the first time or two you do it it will be a tell, but once your opponent has figured it out it will develop some good bluff potential - "I don't have a Domination, but he doesn't know that, so what is he trying to keep ahold of with those three resources?"

Good points - I'd thought of some of those things but it still feels annoyingly cheap and invasive. LOL I hate people messing with my cards. But yeah, it occurred to me last night to simply play out my Tactics and/or not to sit on too many. Stupid Chaos.

Not particularly powerful. It's luck of the draw kind of card. These cards while powerful, sometimes don't work. You could also end up picking a Tactics card that is not what you want, or too situational to use effectively. I think the card is fair.

Hehe, wait til you get raped by it more than once in a game. Then I wonder how long you'll maintain the opinion that it's "not too powerful." :P Any time a card allows you to play multiples (potentially) of your oppponent's cards for FREE, that's powerful. No doubt about it.

Like others have pointed out in here it can certainly be planned for, to some extent, but considering the size of your average hand during most of a game, it's going to have very good odds to be at least partially successful - particularly vs. Empire or Orcs.

I like to use it when my opponent only has 3 cards left. Really useful when it's getting ready to be his battlefield phase and I use his stuff against him gran_risa.gif

So far this card has not worked very well at all for me. I think this card will be a sideboard for my Chaos deck. I must have the worst luck or timing.

Wytefang said:

Hehe, wait til you get raped by it more than once in a game.

But as mentioned, if you are playing against Chaos and holding a large number of good tactics then you are really asking for this to happen to you :-)

Also, you don't keep the cards do you? So what happens to them? Do they go back into your opponent's hand if you can't play them?

Yes. They must be used immediately. You reveal these cards and use them, but technically they never leave your opponents hand, so if you can't use the tactic immediately when Slannesh's Domination finishes its full resolution (which includes the playing and resolution of all tactics revealed by it), then your opponent is back to being able to use them (assuming that they didn't use them in response to the playing of SD, remember LIFO).

That is how we played it. Seemed straightforward but I wanted to check.

Since your opponent doesn't automatically lose the cards I don't think this is really all that bad.

If he plays your tactics you don't get them back so it can really suck, though.

Wytefang said:

If he plays your tactics you don't get them back so it can really suck, though.

No doubt. And when we were playing the other night I was hoping to use it to fuel an attack on my buddy but as it turned out the only tactics he had were useless which was, as he said, why he still had them in his hand ;-)

I once had 2x Will of electors, 1x forced march and 1x Judgement of Verena in my hand and opponent used Slaanesh domination (I was getting ready to pwn next round with enough resources), but luckily the only card he didn't pick was Verena. Allthough that hurt me bad it was the only game of six I won vs chaos that day :) (got 2x 5 power greatswords in last round by using Johannes and summoning two new units).

I think slaanesh is balanced btw, it's a gambling card, sometimes (usually for me :)) you get nothing of value ^^.