I'm just interested in your impressions of the equipment costs, and maybe some examples.

DagobahDave said:

Yes, this can be really interesting to know as this was a major issue with WFRP 2nd edition. Especially the costs of gunpowder weapons!!

I've only glanced at the costs, but it would no longer take the Empire billions and billions of gold to outfit state troops with spears or handguns. It all seemed quite a bit more reasonable.

I've always taken the view that the costs in the book are for civilians, and that the markup on gunpowder weapons etc was quite high.

phobiandarkmoon said:

That's correct. In WFRP Companion , the high costs were explained as Armaments Surtaxes levied to guarantee a reliable supply of weapons to the nobles' armies.

Herr Arnulfe said:

Yes, but this wasn't the case for WFRP 2nd edition as far as I know.

Allavandrel said:

The WFRP Companion was the v2 one (cf. Advanced Trade and Commerce).

Frankly, with all of the Party-centric thematic rules in WFRP 3rd ed, I'm surprised that they didn't take the route of the Rogue Trader RPG and use a Party Wealth Rating or something.

Whether that's a good thing or not is beyond me, since I haven't experienced Rogue Trader yet (c'mon Amazon!).

Thanks for the reference, Herr Arnulfe! I just looked it up as I have never connected that sentence to equipment costs in the v2 core book. The Armaments Surtax doubles the prices on all weapons, armour and horses, so I guess the prices on these items in all the other books should be doubled. We have never played with double prices, and I believe this make the prices even more out-balanced. There is no mentioning of gunpowder weapons in particular.

Allavandrel said:

Actually, the "true" prices for armaments would be halved (hence the burgeoning illegal weapons trade). The "shelf price" for buying weapons from a smith remains as listed in the corebook and OWA (unless you're a noble, in which case you're exempt from the surtaxes).

I completely missed the surtax bit. Still, 50% doesn't make for reasonably priced weaponry - wouldn't that still put a pistol or handgun at 100+ crowns?

morskittar said:

Yes, the prices for firearms are still high. You could say the surtax equals 75% of the listed price for firearms if you want to lower the "true" price even further.

What about the V3 lists ?

Could we have examples of prices ?

Say:

Sword

Full Plate

Horse

Ale

One night in a coaching inn

Travel costs to travel by coach

Income categories

Thanks !!!

Some tidbits:

Dagger 10s

Hand Weapon 75s

Pistol 5g

Full Plate 25g (most expensive item, base cost)

Tack on an extra 25% if you're an outsider, or roll no successes on your haggle check.

A peasant makes about 1g25s per year, a mercenary makes about 30g per year

Thanks, dvang.

So a peasant earns nearly 8 pennies per day, while a mercenary earns nearly 2 shillings per day.

I'd be interested to see some a basic meal price, and maybe the cost of staying at an inn for a night.

DagobahDave said:

To stay adequately fed you need to fork out 5b per day. But a wealthy merchant, eg, could blow 10s on a meal.

You have to spend 5 brass a day for food if you have it, 3 a day just to survive.

dvang said:

Thank Njwarthakh Lzimbarr Tzeentch that the prices all seem to be multiples of 5.

Or... wait a minute...