Hey everybody, while I was judging for the last Store Championship in my area, I noticed that the large base of one of my player's Ghost is larger than the other large bases. It was about a millimeter larger on all sides. I checked other Wave 8 bases at the tournament, and other players using Wave 8 bases had the same problem. Can you guys check your Wave 8 bases to see if you're seeing an issue in manufacturing as well?

I compared his Wave 8 base with one of his older bases to see the discrepancy.

edit: I should posit that this was a small sample size of bases that I checked. I did not check all Wave 8 bases at the tournament.

Is it actually a manufacturing issue, if it's standard? I don't believe there's an official published measurement for what a large base should be, is there?

The large base size should be uniform across all waves.

edit: Now you may be wondering why this is a big deal. If the base is 1 mm larger, over the course of ten moves, it will be 1 cm farther across the table than a smaller large size base. This is huge in a game where positioning is important.

Mine are the same size, the lip that holds the card board is higher, but that's it

The large base size should be uniform across all waves.

edit: Now you may be wondering why this is a big deal. If the base is 1 mm larger, over the course of ten moves, it will be 1 cm farther across the table than a smaller large size base. This is huge in a game where positioning is important.

You're moving further, are also a bigger target, and may not quite realize the problem.

The large base size should be uniform across all waves.

edit: Now you may be wondering why this is a big deal. If the base is 1 mm larger, over the course of ten moves, it will be 1 cm farther across the table than a smaller large size base. This is huge in a game where positioning is important.

You're moving further, are also a bigger target, and may not quite realize the problem.

Exactly, this is not good. Hopefully it's an isolated issue.

Probably just a manufacturing variance. 1 mm over 80mm is not much.

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Probably just a manufacturing variance. 1 mm over 80mm is not much.

You're probably correct, but this is the first i've seen this happen over the course of 7 waves. Does this mean that QC isn't as important as before. and if so, what does this mean for the future of the game?

The large base size should be uniform across all waves.

edit: Now you may be wondering why this is a big deal. If the base is 1 mm larger, over the course of ten moves, it will be 1 cm farther across the table than a smaller large size base. This is huge in a game where positioning is important.

Unless it's published that they have to be the same size, I disagree. It could be a size category, not a size measurement, for example.

This would be an additional component to consider, sure, but it's not wrong until its contradicting something published.

I'm not saying that's what I want, I'm simply saying it doesn't have to be uniform if FFG hasn't published something enforcing that.

... That being said, it appears this was a manufacturing issue, which is a different beast entirely.

EDIT: A manufacturing issue meaning they ARE supposed to be the same size but weren't is not the argument I was making. If, say, a Ghost base was ALWAYS bigger, then that's something else entirely.

I don't know what wave it was from (pre-8 for certain), but I have noticed that:

- The small bases aren't square (narrower, left-right)

- The large bases aren't square either (don't recall how they were off)

- The large bases aren't 2x the size of the small ones

The effect is actually pretty pronounced. If you want to measure for yourself, take some legos (which are pretty **** exact) and make a corner L on a base plate, then mark out where the opposite corner ends up.

I checked mine, though there's no way to tell which one was a wave 8 base, I took the guess that the Ghost's was, as I've yet to fit it in my storage solution. It is slightly larger, measured at the pegs (where it matters), but I wouldn't go so far as a mm to be honest.

I have a feeling that the moulds used for the bases wear out considerably faster than the ships as they use them for all the small/large models. They probably started using a fresh mould for wave 7/8 so it may be worthwhile to check wave 8 against some of the wave 1 stuff as they would have been from a fresh(er) mould too.

The large base size should be uniform across all waves.

edit: Now you may be wondering why this is a big deal. If the base is 1 mm larger, over the course of ten moves, it will be 1 cm farther across the table than a smaller large size base. This is huge in a game where positioning is important.

I don't know what wave it was from (pre-8 for certain), but I have noticed that:- The small bases aren't square (narrower, left-right)- The large bases aren't square either (don't recall how they were off)- The large bases aren't 2x the size of the small onesThe effect is actually pretty pronounced. If you want to measure for yourself, take some legos (which are pretty **** exact) and make a corner L on a base plate, then mark out where the opposite corner ends up.

None of the bases are perfectly square. I found this out when I had to measure a few up for something I was working on. They're all slightly narrower than they are long (that is to say front to back is a smidge longer than side to side). There's also minor variance in the width of the template nubs, and in the nubs themselves.

On top of that, the large bases have the same variances in dimension, slightly larger variances in the nub width, and a larger nub overall.

Them not being perfectly square isn't as much of a shock as how little the variance is. It's actually a credit to their toolmakers.

The variance on both is, however, insignificant enough that we're in wave 8 and you've only just noticed now. I'd say go ahead and ignore it exists.

Have not noticed that... I have noticed that Wave 8 Small ship pegs are too big for earlier waves, and that wave 8 small ships slip off of wave 7 and earlier pegs very very easily. I have special wave 8 bases set aside just because of that snaffu in QC.

Have not noticed that... I have noticed that Wave 8 Small ship pegs are too big for earlier waves, and that wave 8 small ships slip off of wave 7 and earlier pegs very very easily. I have special wave 8 bases set aside just because of that snaffu in QC.

Yeah, that one's quite a pain, and it first became apparent with the TFA core set. Bummer. I wonder how the colored bases will be, because it would be lame if I could only use them on the new ships.

Have not noticed that... I have noticed that Wave 8 Small ship pegs are too big for earlier waves, and that wave 8 small ships slip off of wave 7 and earlier pegs very very easily. I have special wave 8 bases set aside just because of that snaffu in QC.

I do wonder if the change to large bases is to solve the warping issue we were seeing with some earlier large bases. Some later waves have also had real trouble fitting the cardboard in, so hopefully that is fixed too. I'll check out mine later on.

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This.

Can we see what you're talking about?

It could be wear in the molds. As the mold erodes the void becomes larger. That could explain why the pegs don't fit and the bases are larger in wave 8. That being said, the piece that mounts to the ship should suffer the same effect. The pin going into the ship should be getting larger while the socket end recess should be getting smaller.

The engineers may havd over estimated the life cycle of the molds or figured "we'll use them for this run and then swap them out".

Almost all my bases have warped over time and do not sit flat on a surface any more. This is what usually makes a older base seem smaller.

My JM5K base is the same size as YV-666 and Lambda shuttle.

The effect is rather pronounced for my JM5K:

Using the base that came with it (wave 8 base) the cardboard ship token has room to slide back and forth easily (not really wanted in a tournament).

If I put the cardboard ship token in a previous wave large base, the token fits snuggly, but the peg doesn't stay in the base long (pops out very easily; the peg seems to not have the right room to fit the base)

My wave 8 base also looks 0,5mm longer than previous wave bases.

For this reason I use old wave base and if the model pops out due to the peg, I just leave the model off.

I've actually seen a significant difference between the older and newer large pegs, and especially older large ship only properly fit on the older longer pegs