I vote y-wing. I don't think the veterans/aces packs should just be about 'fixes', they should also be about giving more of the ships that fans want most. The y-wing is the only OT ship that hasn't been expanded. There's only two pilots!

Would love to see more of it. I don't care if it's "fixed" or not, just give me some more options and maybe a new paint scheme!

I vote y-wing. I don't think the veterans/aces packs should just be about 'fixes', they should also be about giving more of the ships that fans want most. The y-wing is the only OT ship that hasn't been expanded. There's only two pilots!

Would love to see more of it. I don't care if it's "fixed" or not, just give me some more options and maybe a new paint scheme!

There are 4 pilots for the Y-Wing. Most Wanted brought a lot of stuff for the Y-Wing, I don't see that we need more at this point.

I vote y-wing. I don't think the veterans/aces packs should just be about 'fixes', they should also be about giving more of the ships that fans want most. The y-wing is the only OT ship that hasn't been expanded. There's only two pilots!

Would love to see more of it. I don't care if it's "fixed" or not, just give me some more options and maybe a new paint scheme!

There are 4 pilots for the Y-Wing. Most Wanted brought a lot of stuff for the Y-Wing, I don't see that we need more at this point.

You're right the Y-Wing is in a good place and doesn't really need help but I wouldn't be upset to see some new aces for it (Kenyan Farlander junps to mind)

The E- Wing needs the most from reb vets. I don't think we need another x wing model but the "fix" will be in it.

My Guess for contents will be E-Wing and maybe some better aces for the headhunter.

I vote y-wing. I don't think the veterans/aces packs should just be about 'fixes', they should also be about giving more of the ships that fans want most. The y-wing is the only OT ship that hasn't been expanded. There's only two pilots!

Would love to see more of it. I don't care if it's "fixed" or not, just give me some more options and maybe a new paint scheme!

There are 4 pilots for the Y-Wing. Most Wanted brought a lot of stuff for the Y-Wing, I don't see that we need more at this point.

You're right the Y-Wing is in a good place and doesn't really need help but I wouldn't be upset to see some new aces for it (Kenyan Farlander junps to mind)

The E- Wing needs the most from reb vets. I don't think we need another x wing model but the "fix" will be in it.

My Guess for contents will be E-Wing and maybe some better aces for the headhunter.

Keyan Farlander in a Ywing would be incredibly powerful.

His ability, from his Bwing card, synergises far too well with the Stressdroid, as any HotAC campain player can tell you.

I vote y-wing. I don't think the veterans/aces packs should just be about 'fixes', they should also be about giving more of the ships that fans want most. The y-wing is the only OT ship that hasn't been expanded. There's only two pilots!

Would love to see more of it. I don't care if it's "fixed" or not, just give me some more options and maybe a new paint scheme!

There are 4 pilots for the Y-Wing. Most Wanted brought a lot of stuff for the Y-Wing, I don't see that we need more at this point.

Scum doesn't count. In the OT it wasn't scum flying y-wings, it was the rebellion. I don't own scum and I'm not about to buy into it now, but even if I did I don't think it's unreasonable to want more rebel y-wings.

I vote y-wing. I don't think the veterans/aces packs should just be about 'fixes', they should also be about giving more of the ships that fans want most. The y-wing is the only OT ship that hasn't been expanded. There's only two pilots!

Would love to see more of it. I don't care if it's "fixed" or not, just give me some more options and maybe a new paint scheme!

There are 4 pilots for the Y-Wing. Most Wanted brought a lot of stuff for the Y-Wing, I don't see that we need more at this point.

Scum doesn't count. In the OT it wasn't scum flying y-wings, it was the rebellion. I don't own scum and I'm not about to buy into it now, but even if I did I don't think it's unreasonable to want more rebel y-wings.

And I want Tie Aggressors.

I vote y-wing. I don't think the veterans/aces packs should just be about 'fixes', they should also be about giving more of the ships that fans want most. The y-wing is the only OT ship that hasn't been expanded. There's only two pilots!

Would love to see more of it. I don't care if it's "fixed" or not, just give me some more options and maybe a new paint scheme!

There are 4 pilots for the Y-Wing. Most Wanted brought a lot of stuff for the Y-Wing, I don't see that we need more at this point.

Scum doesn't count. In the OT it wasn't scum flying y-wings, it was the rebellion. I don't own scum and I'm not about to buy into it now, but even if I did I don't think it's unreasonable to want more rebel y-wings.

I'm pretty sure it was scum flying Y-Wings in the Star Wars movies.

Rebel Ys really arn't in that good a place, people basically only use them as cheap TLT carriers and the Scum versions do that better because of unhinged. They need a wider variety of useful builds and right now they are only ship from the first three waves, and the only ship to appear in the movies to have less then three unique pilots.

Rebel Ys really arn't in that good a place, people basically only use them as cheap TLT carriers and the Scum versions do that better because of unhinged. They need a wider variety of useful builds and right now they are only ship from the first three waves, and the only ship to appear in the movies to have less then three unique pilots.

What? The Rebel stresshog is arguably the best ship in the game right now. It punches way above its weight class, so much so that pheaver thinks its a must have in every rebel list. The Y-Wing does not have amazing unique pilots, but its generics are everywhere. Of all the ships that need a bit of love, the Y-Wing is not one of them.

Stresshog can't be the best ship when a popular meta list can reliably ps kill it I'm the first round of firing

Stresshog can't be the best ship when a popular meta list can reliably ps kill it I'm the first round of firing

Spend 2 points to make it a PS4 stresshog

Stresshog can't be the best ship when a popular meta list can reliably ps kill it I'm the first round of firing

A Horton Stresshog clocks in at around 33pts for PS8. And he still gets some modifiers on the attack.

Rebel Ys really arn't in that good a place, people basically only use them as cheap TLT carriers and the Scum versions do that better because of unhinged. They need a wider variety of useful builds and right now they are only ship from the first three waves, and the only ship to appear in the movies to have less then three unique pilots.

I've been have some good fun with BTL-A4 Dorsal Y-Wings (21). Costs the same amount as a Rookie. At Range 2 it has the equivalent output as 2 Z-95s and at Range 1 it has a Built-in Multiple round Cluster Missile.

Toss in a PT + GC and maybe EM and you've got a solid all-rounder.

It's biggest downside is buying the Ghost to acquire the Dorsals. For Competitive anyway.

I'm lucky I play with a group where the ruling on upgrade card are 'If you physically own 1 you can proxy copies'

Stresshog can't be the best ship when a popular meta list can reliably ps kill it I'm the first round of firing

Spend 2 points to make it a PS4 stresshog

Rebel Ys really arn't in that good a place, people basically only use them as cheap TLT carriers and the Scum versions do that better because of unhinged. They need a wider variety of useful builds and right now they are only ship from the first three waves, and the only ship to appear in the movies to have less then three unique pilots.

What? The Rebel stresshog is arguably the best ship in the game right now. It punches way above its weight class, so much so that pheaver thinks its a must have in every rebel list. The Y-Wing does not have amazing unique pilots, but its generics are everywhere. Of all the ships that need a bit of love, the Y-Wing is not one of them.

Seems outdated now.

Rebel Ys really arn't in that good a place, people basically only use them as cheap TLT carriers and the Scum versions do that better because of unhinged. They need a wider variety of useful builds and right now they are only ship from the first three waves, and the only ship to appear in the movies to have less then three unique pilots.

What? The Rebel stresshog is arguably the best ship in the game right now. It punches way above its weight class, so much so that pheaver thinks its a must have in every rebel list. The Y-Wing does not have amazing unique pilots, but its generics are everywhere. Of all the ships that need a bit of love, the Y-Wing is not one of them.

It depends what you mean by 'love'. If love means fixes, then I agree, the y-wing doesn't need it. But if love means attention, then the y-wing definitely needs it: there's only two rebel pilots! A rebel z-95 or e-wing with a y-wing would be a nice expansion, and would be a good opportunity to tweak the t-65 via astromechs too.

I don't know about fixes -- I'm not nearly good enough at this game to spot what needs fixing. Those are just the ships I wish I had more pilots for.

I think ordnance will breathe a bit of new life into the old Y-wing. It is a cheap, tough, ordnance platform. A Gold with protorps, chips and extra munitions is only 24 points and will average 3.75 hits.

Granted getting TLs with a PS2 ship is not too easy and it fires after U-boats. So 2 extra points gets you a PS4 Grey squadron Y-wing which looks a little better. Dutch and Horton's abilities actually look quite good in the new Ordnance meta. Shared TLs at PS6 or rerolls at PS8 give you options for decent synergy or a stand-alone shooter.

Even without EPTs, Y-wings with Chips and your choice of ordnance actually work quite nicely. You can add your choice of Astromech too if you feel so inclined.

Rebel Ys really arn't in that good a place, people basically only use them as cheap TLT carriers and the Scum versions do that better because of unhinged. They need a wider variety of useful builds and right now they are only ship from the first three waves, and the only ship to appear in the movies to have less then three unique pilots.

What? The Rebel stresshog is arguably the best ship in the game right now. It punches way above its weight class, so much so that pheaver thinks its a must have in every rebel list. The Y-Wing does not have amazing unique pilots, but its generics are everywhere. Of all the ships that need a bit of love, the Y-Wing is not one of them.

Seems outdated now.

And why it's outdated?

I think depends on meta. Some metas might be outdated yes. Other not so much.

Still there are plenty of Imperial Aces flying around, so stresshog helps vs them. Even vs Scout's it can be very usefull, stressing one 2x times and not letting it get actions to fire it's torps or barrel rolls to block. But yes, vs scout's i think there are better solutions that stresshog, but still it's not outdated.

Also looking at SC and National results, i see a lot palp aces, so vs them it's still valid choice

Stresshog can't be the best ship when a popular meta list can reliably ps kill it I'm the first round of firing

Spend 2 points to make it a PS4 stresshog

Okay, I did. But then my next opponent spent three on yorr and nullified two full turns of stress.

So your opponent spend 1 more pts to counter you, you have 1 extra pts there. Still not bad, still he stresses his Yorr and you can easy predict were he goes, he also does not get actions. Not perfect but can be lived through it.

I hope this veterans pack will come not only with 2 ships (obviously E-wing, and maybe T65, or a black-Poe T70 if they want to sell a shitload of boxes), but also with generics pilot cards for more rebel ships.
For now, imperials have seen most of their ships upgraded with some generics with EPT : fighters, bombers, advanced, interceptors, and soon defenders.
Rebels, who used to have more "customisation" options through astromechs, are now wronged in taht part, since every other ship but theirs seems to have an EPT slot.

So, please, give us generic EPT pilots for Xs, Ys, Bs, Es, HWKs...

The A-wing and B-wing are very much the focus of Rebel Aces, so I'd be hesitant to put them in another box. Besides which, neither are especially useless, and the B-wing has the advantage that any new crew or system release can theoretically be used on it, so it's easy to slip 'cookies' for the B-wing into other packs.

Between Guidance Chips, Bomb Loadout and assorted new turrets, the Y-wing has three distinct roles it can perform well.

You also don't need to include any new y-wings to increase its options - if the E-wing is in the box, it justifies 2-3 new astromechs, and you can easily 'slant' one or more to supporting the Y-wing rather than the X-wing or E-wing.

I'd say E-wing and T-65 unless there's a specific T-65 pack intended to support Rogue One. Ghost and Maarak Stele have shown that FFG are accepting putting the same pilot in multiple packs, so a Corran Horn X-wing would be a logical repaint.

I think a clever fix for the e-wing would to give it a tech slot either by title or by e-wing specific astromechs. Doing so would give us more tech options or at least a new way to get comm relays.

Rebel Ys really arn't in that good a place, people basically only use them as cheap TLT carriers and the Scum versions do that better because of unhinged. They need a wider variety of useful builds and right now they are only ship from the first three waves, and the only ship to appear in the movies to have less then three unique pilots.

What? The Rebel stresshog is arguably the best ship in the game right now. It punches way above its weight class, so much so that pheaver thinks its a must have in every rebel list. The Y-Wing does not have amazing unique pilots, but its generics are everywhere. Of all the ships that need a bit of love, the Y-Wing is not one of them.

Meta moves so fast that your statement is outdated.

This is identifiably false, because the movie - which defines canon - calls him Hutch, assuming we're talking about the same character here.

Pops calls him Hutch. Not quite the same thing. Characters can mispronounce.

One could also argue ad infitum that the Death Star is mostly made out of green cheese, but that doesn't make it true. As I said; there is no real reason in the story or even the scene why Pops would pronounce the name wrong, so it stands to reason he didn't.

Starwars.com calls him Dutch Vander. The point isn't whether or not he is Dutch or Hutch, the point is that they are in fact, the same person, therefore a pilot card for him isn't warranted.

In that case, Pops did not mispronounce the name, Dutch is just the alternative (mistaken) name for the character. Fair enough, but there is no necessity to consider them the same, other than to prevent fan confusion.

Yes there is a necessity to consider them the same, because the people who own star wars consider them the same:

http://www.starwars.com/databank/jon-dutch-vander

http://www.starwars.com/databank/dex-tiree

He was Jon “Dutch” Vander’s wingman, piloting a Y-Wing with the rest of Gold Squadron in the assault on the Death Star. Sadly, he was the first pilot hit when the Dark Lord of the Sith Darth Vader arrived in his TIE Advanced.

Jon Vander is Dutch and Hutch. They are one in the same. Which nickname is correct is a different argument. The point is that Jon Vander is Dutch/Hutch.

Agianst epic ships all areas not stuck by attack gain three stress.

Not touching the rest of your post, but what use stressing a huge ship?

Prevents it from making actions.

Are you quite sure you are up to date with the huge ship rules?

I think a superlaser, even though lore wise it was a lie, ys didnt really have a super laser, should be a weapon that will cause stress to cap ships.