Vader and Damaged Sensor Array

By irishthump, in X-Wing Rules Questions

Folks,

This one came up in a casual game last night and I can't seem to find an answer anywhere online.

Vader takes a crit and flips up Damaged Sensor Array. Next turn, during the action phase Vader rolls a blank on his attack die to flip DSA facedown. Since Vader can perform 2 actions per turn can he roll a second attack die to flip DSA?

My guess is no for two reasons:

1) The perform action step only allows you to perform actions listed in your action bar. DSA makes this redundant as it states you can only perform actions listed on Damage Cards.

2) Even if Vader could perform 2 actions trying to flip DSA a second time would be illegal as you cannot perform the same action twice in the same turn.

Vader performed the DSA action even though the card did not flip. He cannot try again. On a related thought I'm trying to remember if you have two of the same crit if both are flipped on a successful roll; if so I think you still only get one try to flip that crit.

If flipping a face-up card requires an action then you need to perform the action for every card. If flipping the card triggers on some "unrelated" action then you could flip multiple cards at a single time. You can only perform a given action once but if you have something that happened when you're attacked (like rolling defense) you'll get to do that all the time and everytime.

If Vader has both Damaged Sensor Array crits, can he attempt to flip them both in the same round? I would've said "of course" before the recent "Gonk" ruling. If it's the name of the card with the Action: header that determines the uniqueness of the action, does that mean both of them count as the same action, denying Vader the ability to try them both? Or is it the card itself that determines uniqueness, allowing him to take a "Leftmost Damaged Sensor Array" action and a "Rightmost Damaged Sensor Array" action?

If Vader has both Damaged Sensor Array crits, can he attempt to flip them both in the same round? I would've said "of course" before the recent "Gonk" ruling. If it's the name of the card with the Action: header that determines the uniqueness of the action, does that mean both of them count as the same action, denying Vader the ability to try them both? Or is it the card itself that determines uniqueness, allowing him to take a "Leftmost Damaged Sensor Array" action and a "Rightmost Damaged Sensor Array" action?

That question is actually answered in the Rules Reference (p.3):

  • A ship cannot perform the same action more than once during a single round, even if one or more of the actions are free actions.
    • If a ship has more than one copy of the same Damage or Upgrade card, it still cannot perform the action described on those cards more than once per round.

If Vader has both Damaged Sensor Array crits, can he attempt to flip them both in the same round? I would've said "of course" before the recent "Gonk" ruling. If it's the name of the card with the Action: header that determines the uniqueness of the action, does that mean both of them count as the same action, denying Vader the ability to try them both? Or is it the card itself that determines uniqueness, allowing him to take a "Leftmost Damaged Sensor Array" action and a "Rightmost Damaged Sensor Array" action?

That question is actually answered in the Rules Reference (p.3):

  • A ship cannot perform the same action more than once during a single round, even if one or more of the actions are free actions.
    • If a ship has more than one copy of the same Damage or Upgrade card, it still cannot perform the action described on those cards more than once per round.

Interesting. If I had remembered that, I might have guessed differently about the Gonk + EI question.

If Vader has both Damaged Sensor Array crits, can he attempt to flip them both in the same round? I would've said "of course" before the recent "Gonk" ruling. If it's the name of the card with the Action: header that determines the uniqueness of the action, does that mean both of them count as the same action, denying Vader the ability to try them both? Or is it the card itself that determines uniqueness, allowing him to take a "Leftmost Damaged Sensor Array" action and a "Rightmost Damaged Sensor Array" action?

That question is actually answered in the Rules Reference (p.3):

  • A ship cannot perform the same action more than once during a single round, even if one or more of the actions are free actions.
    • If a ship has more than one copy of the same Damage or Upgrade card, it still cannot perform the action described on those cards more than once per round.

Interesting. If I had remembered that, I might have guessed differently about the Gonk + EI question.

IMO, that makes more sense than the "Gonk" ruling, since the actions are the same even though they're on different cards. The "Gonk" actions are different, damnit!

If Vader has both Damaged Sensor Array crits, can he attempt to flip them both in the same round? I would've said "of course" before the recent "Gonk" ruling. If it's the name of the card with the Action: header that determines the uniqueness of the action, does that mean both of them count as the same action, denying Vader the ability to try them both? Or is it the card itself that determines uniqueness, allowing him to take a "Leftmost Damaged Sensor Array" action and a "Rightmost Damaged Sensor Array" action?

That question is actually answered in the Rules Reference (p.3):

  • A ship cannot perform the same action more than once during a single round, even if one or more of the actions are free actions.
    • If a ship has more than one copy of the same Damage or Upgrade card, it still cannot perform the action described on those cards more than once per round.

I missed that one in the rulebook myself!

Many thanks for the replies, guys.