This actually came up for me last night. My opponent was using a Lothar Rebel with Zeb, but no turret or torpedoes. 4-LOM crashed into the rear arc, and I argued that Zeb would still allow me to shoot because 4-LOM was still within a firing arc. The VCX went boom pretty quickly after that.

Zeb as crew? Was a shuttle docked? The the answer to both these questions is yes, than a primary attack can be made out of the rear arc of the ghost, even if it is touching the targeted ship.

If it does not have a docked shuttle, but does have Zeb as crew, the Ghost can fire a secondary weapon out of the back arc.

The ghost can only fire a torpedo out the back firing arc.

If you are shooting with a torpedo or have the phantom and ghost titles with a docked phantom, then the back firing arc is active. Otherwise it is not a firing arc since you do not have a weapon to shoot out of it.

Those of you who are misreading the sheet that came with the ghost, the torpedo symbol before the word secondary weapon means a torpedo secondary weapon.

It is always a "printed" firing arc, which is what things like Autothrusters or Zeb (Crew)'s ability are looking for.

It doesn't exist unless those other conditions are met.

The rear arc is a special firing arc that exists on no other ship. The Firespray was faq'd to be included in the autothrusters debate.

This actually came up for me last night. My opponent was using a Lothar Rebel with Zeb, but no turret or torpedoes. 4-LOM crashed into the rear arc, and I argued that Zeb would still allow me to shoot because 4-LOM was still within a firing arc. The VCX went boom pretty quickly after that.

Zeb as crew? Was a shuttle docked? The the answer to both these questions is yes, than a primary attack can be made out of the rear arc of the ghost, even if it is touching the targeted ship.

If it does not have a docked shuttle, but does have Zeb as crew, the Ghost can fire a secondary weapon out of the back arc.

The ghost can only fire a torpedo out the back firing arc.

If you are shooting with a torpedo or have the phantom and ghost titles with a docked phantom, then the back firing arc is active. Otherwise it is not a firing arc since you do not have a weapon to shoot out of it.

Those of you who are misreading the sheet that came with the ghost, the torpedo symbol before the word secondary weapon means a torpedo secondary weapon.

It is always a "printed" firing arc, which is what things like Autothrusters or Zeb (Crew)'s ability are looking for.

It doesn't exist unless those other conditions are met.

While there's no specific FAQ yet for the special arc, there's plenty of precedents.

Q: If a ship has a turret primary weapon (or is equipped with a secondary weapon), is the ship considered to have a 360-degree firing arc? A: No. Turret primary and secondary weapons allow a ship to ignore its printed firing arcs. A ship’s firing arcs are always the printed, shaded arcs on its ship token.

“Backstabber” only rolls the additional attack die granted by his ability if no portion of his base is inside any of the printed firing arcs on the defender’s ship token.

Nowhere does either of those specify primary or auxiliary firing arcs, autothrusters, tactician and zeb crew don't say primary or auxiliary firing arcs. They just say firing arc. And the two above quotes both clearly state that a ships firing arcs are the printed, shaded arcs on the token. The special arc is a printed, shaded arc. The fact that it only gets to firing it's primary weapon using that arc if you have a docked phantom is irrelevant.

It was FAQ'd because it was a Frequently Asked Question, not that it was a change in rules. Auxiliary Arcs and Special Arcs are firing arcs. Pretty certain the Auxiliary Arc still exists when you fire a Hot Shot Blaster, why would a Special Arc be different?

It was FAQ'd because it was a Frequently Asked Question, not that it was a change in rules. Auxiliary Arcs and Special Arcs are firing arcs. Pretty certain the Auxiliary Arc still exists when you fire a Hot Shot Blaster, why would a Special Arc be different?

A special firing arc is not "in play" unless you have a torpedo to shoot out of it or the ghost/phantom title.

The firespray and houndstooth can always shoot their primary weapons out of their primary or auxiliary arcs.

On the autothrusters card it states

When defending, if you are inside the attacker's firing arc beyond Range 2 or outside the attacker's firing arc, you may change 1 of your blank results to an evade result. You can equip this card only if you have the Boost action icon.

The rear arc is NOT a firing arc unless you have a torpedo or ghost/phantom title. Nowhere does it say anything about a printed firing in the new faq or the autothrusters card. It states the "attackers" firing arc meaning an arc it can shoot out of. Once you shoot off the torpedo, that arc is also no longer active.

It was FAQ'd because it was a Frequently Asked Question, not that it was a change in rules. Auxiliary Arcs and Special Arcs are firing arcs. Pretty certain the Auxiliary Arc still exists when you fire a Hot Shot Blaster, why would a Special Arc be different?

A special firing arc is not "in play" unless you have a torpedo to shoot out of it or the ghost/phantom title.

That's you reading something into it that isn't there. NOWHERE does the rule sheet for special firing arc say that it's not in play if you don't have a torpedo or the docked phantom. It just says you can firin torpedoes out the rear arc and the primary weapon still has to use the primary arc.

The firespray and houndstooth can always shoot their primary weapons out of their primary or auxiliary arcs.

On the autothrusters card it states

When defending, if you are inside the attacker's firing arc beyond Range 2 or outside the attacker's firing arc, you may change 1 of your blank results to an evade result. You can equip this card only if you have the Boost action icon.

The rear arc is NOT a firing arc unless you have a torpedo or ghost/phantom title. Nowhere does it say anything about a printed firing in the new faq or the autothrusters card. It states the "attackers" firing arc meaning an arc it can shoot out of. Once you shoot off the torpedo, that arc is also no longer active.

If that were true, Dash would have no firing arc when he equips the outrider. He can't fire his primary anymore, so by your argument his primary arc wouldn't be active. Except it still counts as a firing arc for any cards that are affected by one.

"The VCX-100 has a special firing arc identified by dotted lines and a [Torpedo] symbol printed on its ship token. When attacking with a [torpedo] secondary weapon, a ship with this icon may attack an enemy ship that is at Range 1-3 inside its standard or special firing arc.

When attacking with its primary weapon, the ship must still target an enemy ship inside its standard firing arc (unless otherwise specified on an upgrade card)."

Nothing about not existing unless certain conditions are met. Not usable is not the same as not existing.

It was FAQ'd because it was a Frequently Asked Question, not that it was a change in rules. Auxiliary Arcs and Special Arcs are firing arcs. Pretty certain the Auxiliary Arc still exists when you fire a Hot Shot Blaster, why would a Special Arc be different?

A special firing arc is not "in play" unless you have a torpedo to shoot out of it or the ghost/phantom title.

That's you reading something into it that isn't there. NOWHERE does the rule sheet for special firing arc say that it's not in play if you don't have a torpedo or the docked phantom. It just says you can firin torpedoes out the rear arc and the primary weapon still has to use the primary arc.

Have you not read the sheet that comes with the ghost? I suggest you read it again.

It was FAQ'd because it was a Frequently Asked Question, not that it was a change in rules. Auxiliary Arcs and Special Arcs are firing arcs. Pretty certain the Auxiliary Arc still exists when you fire a Hot Shot Blaster, why would a Special Arc be different?

A special firing arc is not "in play" unless you have a torpedo to shoot out of it or the ghost/phantom title.

That's you reading something into it that isn't there. NOWHERE does the rule sheet for special firing arc say that it's not in play if you don't have a torpedo or the docked phantom. It just says you can firin torpedoes out the rear arc and the primary weapon still has to use the primary arc.

Have you not read the sheet that comes with the ghost? I suggest you read it again.

I read it right before posting. Like I said, nowhere does it say that it's not an arc. It has the words "Firing Arc" right ther ein the name.

Have you?

The firespray and houndstooth can always shoot their primary weapons out of their primary or auxiliary arcs.

On the autothrusters card it states

When defending, if you are inside the attacker's firing arc beyond Range 2 or outside the attacker's firing arc, you may change 1 of your blank results to an evade result. You can equip this card only if you have the Boost action icon.

The rear arc is NOT a firing arc unless you have a torpedo or ghost/phantom title. Nowhere does it say anything about a printed firing in the new faq or the autothrusters card. It states the "attackers" firing arc meaning an arc it can shoot out of. Once you shoot off the torpedo, that arc is also no longer active.

If that were true, Dash would have no firing arc when he equips the outrider. He can't fire his primary anymore, so by your argument his primary arc wouldn't be active. Except it still counts as a firing arc for any cards that are affected by one.

He still has his primary though and if he loses the title can shoot with it.

Have you?

Yes.

So you agree, not usable is not the same as not existing.

The firespray and houndstooth can always shoot their primary weapons out of their primary or auxiliary arcs.

On the autothrusters card it states

When defending, if you are inside the attacker's firing arc beyond Range 2 or outside the attacker's firing arc, you may change 1 of your blank results to an evade result. You can equip this card only if you have the Boost action icon.

The rear arc is NOT a firing arc unless you have a torpedo or ghost/phantom title. Nowhere does it say anything about a printed firing in the new faq or the autothrusters card. It states the "attackers" firing arc meaning an arc it can shoot out of. Once you shoot off the torpedo, that arc is also no longer active.

If that were true, Dash would have no firing arc when he equips the outrider. He can't fire his primary anymore, so by your argument his primary arc wouldn't be active. Except it still counts as a firing arc for any cards that are affected by one.

He still has his primary though and if he loses the title can shoot with it.

By your argument he'd only get the primary arc back if he lost the cannon.

So you agree, not usable is not the same as not existing.

No. Dash is completely different. At no time does he lose his primary weapon,. He just can't shoot with it.

The rear arc is a torpedo arc or ghost/phantom arc. It is not an auxiliary firing arc which was faq'd.

You cannot apply any previous "precedents" as there are none for this case. No other ship has a special firing arc that is only enabled when a torpedo is on board or the ghost/phantom titles are there.

The firespray and houndstooth can always shoot their primary weapons out of their primary or auxiliary arcs.

On the autothrusters card it states

When defending, if you are inside the attacker's firing arc beyond Range 2 or outside the attacker's firing arc, you may change 1 of your blank results to an evade result. You can equip this card only if you have the Boost action icon.

The rear arc is NOT a firing arc unless you have a torpedo or ghost/phantom title. Nowhere does it say anything about a printed firing in the new faq or the autothrusters card. It states the "attackers" firing arc meaning an arc it can shoot out of. Once you shoot off the torpedo, that arc is also no longer active.

If that were true, Dash would have no firing arc when he equips the outrider. He can't fire his primary anymore, so by your argument his primary arc wouldn't be active. Except it still counts as a firing arc for any cards that are affected by one.

He still has his primary though and if he loses the title can shoot with it.

By your argument he'd only get the primary arc back if he lost the cannon.

Oh brother.

A primary turret weapon is a weapon that still has a normal arc out the front.

So you agree, not usable is not the same as not existing.

The rear arc is a torpedo arc or ghost/phantom arc. It is not an auxiliary firing arc which was faq'd.

The ONLY place the auxiliary arc for the firespray is mentioned int he FAQ is for outmaneuver. Nowhere else that talks about firing arcs mentions it (tactician, autothrusters, etc). I already pasted the two quotes int he FAQ that specifically state that your firing arcs are the printed, shaded parts of the base. Which the special firing arc is.

So you agree, not usable is not the same as not existing.

No. Dash is completely different. At no time does he lose his primary weapon,. He just can't shoot with it.

The rear arc is a torpedo arc or ghost/phantom arc. It is not an auxiliary firing arc which was faq'd.

You cannot apply any previous "precedents" as there are none for this case. No other ship has a special firing arc that is only enabled when a torpedo is on board or the ghost/phantom titles are there.

And this is different when you can't shoot out of a special arc, because????

So you agree, not usable is not the same as not existing.

No. Dash is completely different. At no time does he lose his primary weapon,. He just can't shoot with it.

The rear arc is a torpedo arc or ghost/phantom arc. It is not an auxiliary firing arc which was faq'd.

You cannot apply any previous "precedents" as there are none for this case. No other ship has a special firing arc that is only enabled when a torpedo is on board or the ghost/phantom titles are there.

And this is different when you can't shoot out of a special arc, because????

I understand your point but I'm not sure it can be looked at that way without an faq entry for this special firing arc.

You understand that most FAQ entries are clarifying things, not making changes to the rules, right? A good chunk of the entries are the same conclusions we came to without the FAQ.

It was FAQ'd because it was a Frequently Asked Question, not that it was a change in rules. Auxiliary Arcs and Special Arcs are firing arcs. Pretty certain the Auxiliary Arc still exists when you fire a Hot Shot Blaster, why would a Special Arc be different?

A special firing arc is not "in play" unless you have a torpedo to shoot out of it or the ghost/phantom title.

This is stated absolutely nowhere. It is not on any rule sheet. It is a thing that you intuited, and are now stating as fact. The special arc always exists. If you have contrary evidence, please provide a citation.

if it was up to me I'd rule that the arc only counts so long as the shuttle is docked or your firing torpedoes. Without those it makes sense that the arc is no longer active. That's a quick summary of my logic.

Thing is though my logic or what I think makes sense has zero bearing on the rules. There is precisely nothing in the rules or on the cards to say that a special arc only counts sometimes. Do what the rules say, not what they don't..

Had it come up my last game night, shuttle had launched and no Torps so I jumped into the rear thinking my AT would be "on" for his turret attack. Opponents bought they should be off as an arc is an arc. I could find nothing anywhere to back up my presumption so we ruled no AT would be off.

I don't "like" the logic of this but without any rules to back what I would like, that's tough luck really isn't it!

It was FAQ'd because it was a Frequently Asked Question, not that it was a change in rules. Auxiliary Arcs and Special Arcs are firing arcs. Pretty certain the Auxiliary Arc still exists when you fire a Hot Shot Blaster, why would a Special Arc be different?

A special firing arc is not "in play" unless you have a torpedo to shoot out of it or the ghost/phantom title.

This is stated absolutely nowhere. It is not on any rule sheet. It is a thing that you intuited, and are now stating as fact. The special arc always exists. If you have contrary evidence, please provide a citation.

I've fired off a question to FFG about this and will post their response.