What would you do in this situation?
Put them in your "hand" and not make an issue out of it?
Seems like a reasonable request to me. When I play at the store I may or may not put them on the mat depending how much room we have. But if bugs someone it's not a big deal to put them in your hand.
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Yep, this. Takes all of 1 second or so.
It's just drag and drop right? What's the big deal? Did he as offensively?
I guess what I'm saying is that its not an unreasonable request and it shouldn't be a big effort to comply.
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throw a fit and find another game, obviously. unreasonable requests be damned.
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It's just drag and drop right? What's the big deal? Did he as offensively?
I was the one who asked. I didn't think I asked offensively (I think I quoted word for word above what I said). He refused, saying "how could that possibly put you off" and we ended up not playing.
It's just drag and drop right? What's the big deal? Did he as offensively?
I was the one who asked. I didn't think I asked offensively (I think I quoted word for word above what I said). He refused, saying "how could that possibly put you off" and we ended up not playing.
Sounds like you're better off, frankly. As others have said, it's a trivial amount of effort to group the ships and drag them to your hand (or on the "map" dialog but outside the play area), and I can't imagine a relevant basis for refusing.
I suppose it depends on any prior experiences I'd had playing with the person who was requesting that I move my ships off the board.
If for instance amongst other things I'd argued before with him because he refused to accept that he should have to show his opponent the abilities his ships had (because how would the opposing pilots know if this was real life), he'd demanded that asteroid tokens in real life were all placed the a particular way up or he'd come close to quitting a game of Imperial Assault because I wasn't rolling my defence dice at exactly the same time as he rolled his attack dice then I might be less inclined to give in to his picky finicky requests.
If he was someone who when playing in real life didn't actually appear to put a lot of thought into asteroid placement at all (other than the aforementioned making sure that the cardboard tokens all were sat the same way up) then I'd probably be wondering what exactly my ships sat outside of the asteroid deployment area were putting him off from doing and would assume he was being finicky again for no reason.
Edited by Richard_Thomas_he refused to accept that he should have to show his opponent the abilities his ships had (because how would the opposing pilots know if this was real life)
I never argued anything should be done a certain way because "that's how it would be in real life". There was a point a long time ago where I thought you weren't supposed to reveal upgrades etc until the ship was deployed. This was wrong, obviously, which I accepted, but if it had been correct it would clearly make a real difference, and therefore was a valid thing to point out.
he'd demanded that asteroid tokens in real life were all placed the a particular way up
Well, that's either a lie or you remember things the way you want to. I place my tokens certain way up (curved edge side up - call it OCD or whatever you like) and certainly I kinda like it if you do too (doesn't particularly bother me, mind, it's just a habit), but I have never insisted on it in the slightest. I would expect somebody who has to have his DVDs correctly rotated inside their cases to be more understanding on that point, though like I said it's not important to me.
he'd come close to quitting a game of Imperial Assault because I wasn't rolling my defence dice at exactly the same time as he rolled his attack dice
The only one of the two of us who's ever quit in a strop like that is not me.
I'd probably be wondering what exactly my ships sat outside of the asteroid deployment area were putting him off from doing and would assume he was being finicky again for no reason.
1) I would suggest it's not your place to decide whether your opponent's request (backed up by the rules, I believe) has a good enough reason behind it or not
2) They were inside the obstacle placement area. The alternative to that would be in the ship placement area, which would be even worse
3) Most importantly, it affects ship deployment as well as obstacle placement. Unless, of course you intended to move the ships to your hand or off the table before ship deployment, which from past experience I know you don't, and if you did why would that be less effort than moving them before obstacle placement (or indeed simply not moving them onto the board in the first place)?
U okay hun x
Also...
2) They were inside the obstacle placement area. The alternative to that would be in the ship placement area, which would be even worse
No they weren't.
Edited by Richard_Thomas_Flip the table.
Can you do that on Vassal?
Edited by Boba Rick2) They were inside the obstacle placement area. The alternative to that would be in the ship placement area, which would be even worse
No they weren't.
Maybe they weren't, I can't pretend to be certain of that (or that I'd be able to prove it if I was). Regardless, they were in the play area (against the rules, and for no reason at all that I can see), I find that distracting when setting up (and as I said, it affects ship placement as well as asteroid placement), and it would be an entirely negligible effort to move them aside.
edit: Thinking about it I agree, I don't think they were in the asteroid area. Not the point though.
Edited by mazz0Flip the table.
Can you do that on Vassal?
We did the closest we could!
Flip the table.
Can you do that on Vassal?
wow...
just wow.
Why doesn't everyone just put their ships and placed obstacles into the area between range 1 and range 2 like I do? It's an easy way to identify things that haven't been placed yet, and doesn't get in the way of anything.
Actually putting your entire squad into the actual asteroid placement area during asteroid placement is just weird.
Why doesn't everyone just put their ships and placed obstacles into the area between range 1 and range 2 like I do? It's an easy way to identify things that haven't been placed yet, and doesn't get in the way of anything.
Actually putting your entire squad into the actual asteroid placement area during asteroid placement is just weird.
That's exactly where they were, in between Range 1 and Range 2, the same area that lots of people put them from what I can see when playing on Vassal.
This thread is hilarious
Flip the table.
Can you do that on Vassal?
We did the closest we could!
So another point for tabletop simulator? ;-)
It's just drag and drop right? What's the big deal? Did he as offensively?
I was the one who asked. I didn't think I asked offensively (I think I quoted word for word above what I said). He refused, saying "how could that possibly put you off" and we ended up not playing.
Sorry, early in the morning for me. I read it backwards.
But no that is totally reasonable, I wouldn't be offended in the least.
It's just drag and drop right? What's the big deal? Did he as offensively?
I was the one who asked. I didn't think I asked offensively (I think I quoted word for word above what I said). He refused, saying "how could that possibly put you off" and we ended up not playing.
Sorry, early in the morning for me. I read it backwards.
But no that is totally reasonable, I wouldn't be offended in the least.
You didn't read it backwards, I think the opening post was deliberately phrased in a neutral position so people wouldn't be as biased when answering.
Why doesn't everyone just put their ships and placed obstacles into the area between range 1 and range 2 like I do? It's an easy way to identify things that haven't been placed yet, and doesn't get in the way of anything.
Actually putting your entire squad into the actual asteroid placement area during asteroid placement is just weird.
You may find there's no problem having them in the play area early, so may many others, but for myself it throws off my mental map of the board, that low level feeling of "he's coming from this direction", you know? If it puts some people off, why do it (if they've asked nicely not to)? Is it asking a lot to put them outside the play area?
Edited by mazz0Here's the really tricky thing about Vassal: the natural way to play is with your ships flying away from you, but if one player does that, the other has to play 'upside-down.' Especially for newer players, this can really throw them off. So in one tournament the convention was that you play side-to-side, so that neither player has an advantage.
Okay, so you've established sides, but you're so used to placing obstacles that you place them as if the bottom of the mat is your edge. Then, once all the asteroids are placed, your opponent takes their first ship from the table, and places it at range 1 of the left-edge of the mat. Your heart sinks as you realize that you've just placed asteroids in completely the wrong way for your squad!
To prevent this from happening, it is customary to place your ships between range 1 and 2 so as to mark which edge of the mat is your edge when placing asteroids. And for the most part, this custom solves the problem without issue.