A while back the FAQ included all the rules from other ships. Such as huge and large, decloaking, etc... I see that took out the Huge ship rules and put them back as their own. They still have decloading and such.

But they don't have docking included? There are now three ships with docking and each is a little different. Maybe that's why there are not included. But I still wish I could get one concise place for rules. Two would be okay but now we may have to save each ships included sheets if you don't know what you're going to play until you get to the LGS.

Hey FFG between the rules and faq that's a lot to read through. Would you guys combine what you can into just the rules and faq? So we don't need to worry about extra stuff to scan, print, carry, make sure is available off-line, etc...

P.S. Also on your scenario/missions. When you list counters and tokens please list the number. Different expansions have different counts. So I have to keep the different ship sheets handy to know how many identical blank tokens are for this mission and how many are for that. I've noted in on the PDF but if you put the number in the mission setup that would be great, 5 blank and 2 whatever for example.

This isn't a rant, but a request. Am I being lame?

It's made worse by the fact that FFG doesn't make the rules inserts available online.

Last I checked, only 2 ships had Docking rules, the Gozanti and Ghost. The Nashtah Pup isn't technically docked.

The three do use the "deploy rules" though.

When you get those rules let me know if you can use lightning reflexes on deploy. That'd be the best trick up ezras sleeve!

When you get those rules let me know if you can use lightning reflexes on deploy. That'd be the best trick up ezras sleeve!

Couldn't u just pick a k-turn for the same effect?

When you get those rules let me know if you can use lightning reflexes on deploy. That'd be the best trick up ezras sleeve!

Couldn't u just pick a k-turn for the same effect?

The deployment rules specify that you place the rear guides of the deploying ship into the maneuver template, so if you pick a k-turn, RAW you just do a straight maneuver then take a stress.

Edit: Also, lightning reflexes lets you do more than just k-turn. It can also sloop and hard-sloop.

When you get those rules let me know if you can use lightning reflexes on deploy. That'd be the best trick up ezras sleeve!

3. Take the docked ship and place it at the opposite end of the template, sliding the rear guides of the docked ship into the opposite end of the template. This counts as a maneuver.

Going by that, it counts as executing a maneuver, and you have to pick a legal maneuver from your dial, so I would say lightning relfexes would work, because you did execute a maneveur on your dial (and LR doesn't specify anything about revealing your dial).

The biggest bummer about the dock/deploy mechanic is the fact that we can't dock during gameplay. Especially the Ghost.

When you get those rules let me know if you can use lightning reflexes on deploy. That'd be the best trick up ezras sleeve!

Couldn't u just pick a k-turn for the same effect?

The deployment rules specify that you place the rear guides of the deploying ship into the maneuver template, so if you pick a k-turn, RAW you just do a straight maneuver then take a stress.

Edit: Also, lightning reflexes lets you do more than just k-turn. It can also sloop and hard-sloop.

Koiogran Turn rules say to use the front guides instead of the rear guides though.. so deploy says set a dial move and place rear guides in etc... but if you set a koiogran, you're then told to use the front instead - so shouldn't K-turn on deployment work just fine RAW ?

It's the same wording as the rulebook on performing a maneuver in the activation set - which also says "place the rear guides" etc...

Koiogran Turn rules say to use the front guides instead of the rear guides though.. so deploy says set a dial move and place rear guides in etc... but if you set a koiogran, you're then told to use the front instead - so shouldn't K-turn on deployment work just fine RAW ?

It doesn't tell you to execute the maneuver though. It just says to grab the template, place it in the rear guides of the ghost, then place the rear guides of the shuttle at the other end. It never says to execute the actual maneuver you picked.

Technically, neither does the base LTP rulebook. While RRG calls the whole set of things execute maneuver - it doesn't say to look at the bearing of the maneuver in execute maneuver - that's connected to reveal dial. Bearing is indicated by the maneuver chosen on the dial

The Deploy rules specifically state it counts as a maneuver, and then refers to the maneuver. Deploy rules also have no cleanup step - that exists in the executing a maneuver section.


I think RAI is pretty clear. Is there an email or FAQ entry on this somewhere?
RAW is murky, but still supports the bearing.

Technically, neither does the base LTP rulebook.

The Deploy rules specifically state it counts as a maneuver, and then refers to the maneuver.

I think RAI is pretty clear. Is there an email or FAQ entry on this somewhere?

There is no FAQ. I'm just arguing that to me, RAW wouldn't let you do a k-turn. RAI could go either way.

There is no FAQ. I'm just arguing that to me, RAW wouldn't let you do a k-turn. RAI could go either way.

Though, I think RAW has more parts than just what's written in Deploy - you need to also look at What's written in the Bearing section. The RRG activation and Deploy rules (in the gozanti expansion) are nearly identical. Bearing Section says " Bearing is indicated by the arrows on the maneuver dial..." Deploy says "Choose a maneuver on the docked ship's dial." That's more than enough RAW support for me.

If we just look at the singular execute a maneuver step in the RRG, since we just take the template that matches the maneuver dial, RAW, we can't actually ever K-turn, S-loop or Talon Roll, because the Rulebook has the same problem that occurs if we only look at the execute maneuver step - it never references bearing, it only references templates!

It gets even crazier, because when we deploy - we leave our template on the board after deploying from a ship, because there's no cleanup step.

(no harsh words or crazy feelings btw - not intending to have an argumentative tone.)

I sent a question. Frank clarified. K-Turns on Deployment are a GO!

"In response to your rules question:

Rules Question:
Hi, A question has come up on the forums about deploying ships that started docked. The deploy rules as written don't allow the deploying ship to K-turn (S-loop/T-roll). The deploy rules state that after you select a maneuver, you use the corresponding template and end the maneuver with the rear guides of the deploying ship against the template. K-turns obviously use the front guides not the rear. Is this interaction intended or are we allowed to K-turn after deploying? It affects the Hound's Tooth, Gozanti, and Ghost. I'm hoping K-turns are allowed as those maneuvers open up a lot of deployment options. I'm also hoping it makes its way into the next FAQ along with a few other items still circulating on the forums (timing on Dengar's return fire if the attack killed him, and the timing on R5-P8 if the ship carrying it was destroyed while defending too). I hope you can help clarify. Thanks. And thanks for making such a great game!

When a ship deploys, you can use any maneuver on their dial, the use of “rear guides” is merely how executing a maneuver is phrased. Some maneuver such as Koiograns or Segnor’s Loops break this by using the front guides.

Thanks for playing,

Frank Brooks
Associate Creative Content Developer
Fantasy Flight Games"

As it should.

Now Frank, we need still a better rulings on other things.

Also, some clarification on Dengar and R5-P9!

I still think a book would be good.... with rules updated by the faq's, original rules + original faq's, technical drawings and specs, references, and fun pilot tidbits. Make it a three ring binder to attach future faq's. I'd totally buy that!

So k turns trolls scoops are ok for deployment correct?

So k turns trolls scoops are ok for deployment correct?

Any maneuver on the ship's dial is okay to use.