To expand on my thought: Alter the game however you like for whatever reason. Play 600 point games. Ignore objectives. Ignore the fighter restriction. BUT if you plan to play in tournaments, know the "right way".

I have a great example. I HATE putting tokens on the table/ship bases. But the rule says they should be in the play area by the ships. I prefer to keep them on the card, and that is what I do at home. However, on more than one occasion my opponent has asked me to put them on the table, and I have been happy to oblige. That is his right as it's the actual rule!

it's not very fun for someone new to tournaments to get burned because of a misunderstanding that is easily rectified by adding some red text to a PDF.

To a PDF that they probably wouldn't have read anyway.

If they're coming online to read the tournament regulations - its right there. And it was in Red Text when it was an Update. Its only because only the latest text update isn't that, that its back to black now. It was read when the Rieekan FAQ was a new thing. We even got Emailed Responses from FFG beforehand telling us that this would be a big tournament change.

So if they're not reading that, they're not likely to have read the FAQ anyway. Or be a follower on it.

So yes. I am most definitely grumpy and jaded today.

People also forget that ships that have not activate still do so and if they run off the board they are lost.

This is actually a good way to handle those people who play things with the idea of "well it is the last turn"

Sheesh, this got kinda ugly.

That's my fault man, I do apologise for it.

The way I've read it, its very much a case (to me) of "Sorry you missed it when this was New News... But this is Old News now."

Still love you guys, and I'm going to take a posting break, I think

Oh I fully admit I just completely blanked on this! Happens, right? I play Armada more regularly than most, and I still get surprised from time to time. Most people don't play half as often as me, and aren't as invested to the online community as you. A living ruleset such as Armada puts a big onus on people to keep up and not everyone can (or even should?) be expected to be totally up when they're more casual than we are. Those people should not be excluded from tournaments, nor talked down on when they miss a rule- as long as they are willing to learn from their mistake that is.

I was talking about updating the general rules FAQ with red text, Dras, as it would be a new addition to that, and I have been aware of this rule since the update in January. I was just putting myself in the shoes of someone jumping into tourneys from casual is all.

I understand getting jaded and annoyed, man! Hope you feel better soon and hope I didn't add to your annoyance.

I wasn't trying to defend or attack anyone...just trying to say that I understood where that question came from. I agree, you play however you want outside of a tournament. I think this person was just wondering if there was a reason for the discrepancy, that's all.

Oh I fully admit I just completely blanked on this! Happens, right? I play Armada more regularly than most, and I still get surprised from time to time. Most people don't play half as often as me, and aren't as invested to the online community as you. A living ruleset such as Armada puts a big onus on people to keep up and not everyone can (or even should?) be expected to be totally up when they're more casual than we are. Those people should not be excluded from tournaments, nor talked down on when they miss a rule- as long as they are willing to learn from their mistake that is.

Most indeed, and if anyone from my local community felt like piping up, they'll tell you I am really a nice guy - too nice for my own good, and I use the Monitor and Online as a shield, and react aggressively at times...

Its very much like that ugly thread we had earlier, with the aggressive new player - there are expectations on the rules (and the expectations are/were outlaid in the Tournament rules itself)

Its just very difficult on the online forum to say. "Hey, Guys. Sorry... This is old hat now." and not sound dismissive...

And we do see kickbacks from it from time to time... We as an insular forum group do evolve and move on, and we're very poor at actually tracking trends.

I mean, for a big portion of the time, people believed that the Victory was the be all and end all, because the Rebels could just not kill it... Then we moved on from 180pts and into the wider world.

People believed that the Victory was completely without use, and was so poor as to be a deadweight. As they did squadrons.

People believed that Ackbar was and is completely overpowered....

The thing is, we have these discussions. We shed metaphorical e-blood on them and, in the end, we come to some concesus and appear to move on.

But old wounds get opened unintentionally by others.

When it comes to tournaments - No, no-one should be excluded. But as you say, there is such thing as right and wrong, and ignorance of the law still means you're breaking the law... But ignorance of the law should get you a simple quick education on the law, rather than a night in the slammer...

It is a game - even if it is a competitive one.

I wasn't trying to defend or attack anyone...just trying to say that I understood where that question came from. I agree, you play however you want outside of a tournament. I think this person was just wondering if there was a reason for the discrepancy, that's all.

The reason for the discrepancy is that the Original Rules as Printed, did not have to worry about the rule as it was - so it worked then.

The tournament rules had to evolve. So they evolved.

As to why FFG doesn't update their core rules with the text? I don't know. They could probably do that - and then the Tournament Rules themselves would be somewhat obsolete, as they'd all come under core rules.

I think they do it this way, because that way, the General Rules Download PDF is identical to the Handout in the Box.

WHen you update one, they feel they have to update the other.

And Erratta and Clarifications have a separate document to be updated for it.

I was talking about updating the general rules FAQ with red text, Dras, as it would be a new addition to that, and I have been aware of this rule since the update in January. I was just putting myself in the shoes of someone jumping into tourneys from casual is all.

I understand getting jaded and annoyed, man! Hope you feel better soon and hope I didn't add to your annoyance.

I mean, the situation we have isn't perfect. I'd love to be able to be a champion of a single unified rules document - but as simply stated, I do not work for FFG, and thus, my integrity to the group as a whole is questionable at best, if you decide that it is that way... Its actually why I say I am not a Rules Guru... Rules Guru's get things right.

I mean, off topic, I took 20 minutes out of my own game one tournament, to explain to a player two tables over how the Contain token worked, because they'd attended out of town and had never seen it.

I was very lucky that my opponent at the time was someone that I had introduced to the game, and they understood what I was doing - and even tried to back me up... But that could have been resolved with an up-to-date Rulebook as such.

And we may see one when the core set is reprinted. When and if that is.

This is what happens when you guys don't post this stuff in the rules forum. Poor dras had to come all the way over here and look how cranky it made him! I hope you jerks are proud of yourselves!

I got you dras. Don't worry about these guys throwing shade about no ruler books. Wtf is a ruler book anyway? Stop keeping your rulers in books! They want to live free in those little plastic cases we all had in sixth grade! Can't be all casually keeping your rulers in books, all non-chalant and supporting the great protractor patriarchy. Rulers are serious freaking business cuz without them we couldn't measure our things. And its super improtant we know how long our things are. Don't be showing up at no tournament unless you know exactly how long all your things are.

(Sorry to anyone still reading this nonsense. I don't know what heppened here. I think it mignt be satire, but it could also be the ramblings of a madman. But wtf do you know anyway, you ruler book keeping lunatic)

Yeah this changed a lot of things when it first came out.

- Left over squadrons can go in fot the kill / points

- The winner can get more points based on the objective

- The winner can potentially fly a ship off the board

- Riekken is hurt because the zombies now count for the victory points and also leftover squadrons or ships (if you were winning) can score precision strike / superior position points off the zombies