Hi all , facing my mate with his scum for the first time , until then I only faced Rebels .

Would this list work , the 2 ties are just for distractions while the defender and the phantom go in for the kill.

Wednesday Tom killers ! (100)

Rexler Brath (37) - TIE Defender

"Whisper" (39) - TIE Phantom

Veteran Instincts (1), Fire Control System (2), Advanced Cloaking Device (4)

Academy Pilot (12) - TIE Fighter

Academy Pilot (12) - TIE Fighter

I would recommend that you put Gunner on Whisper aswell, since I don't think you have Agent Kallus and cut one Academy Pilot.

There might be an idea to kit Rexlar with something aswell, maybe expose and stealth device.

I thought something like this. I've made the list with what you've written that you have.

"Whisper" — TIE Phantom 32
Veteran Instincts 1
Fire-Control System 2
Gunner 5
Advanced Cloaking Device 4
Ship Total: 44

Rexler Brath — TIE Defender 37
Expose 4
Stealth Device 3
Ship Total: 44

Academy Pilot — TIE Fighter 12
Ship Total: 12

I really like that list . I will try it out tomorrow . Thanks for the help.

I would recommend that you put Gunner on Whisper aswell, since I don't think you have Agent Kallus and cut one Academy Pilot.

There might be an idea to kit Rexlar with something aswell, maybe expose and stealth device.

I thought something like this. I've made the list with what you've written that you have.

"Whisper" — TIE Phantom 32

Veteran Instincts 1

Fire-Control System 2

Gunner 5

Advanced Cloaking Device 4

Ship Total: 44

Rexler Brath — TIE Defender 37

Expose 4

Stealth Device 3

Ship Total: 44

Academy Pilot — TIE Fighter 12

Ship Total: 12

Ehhhh dont do that.

Expose and stealth device is really not that good AND costs you your action keeping you from having focus for brath.

Those 7 points would be better served with a heavy laser cannon giving you 4 red at all ranges and the option to focus against a shieldless target to flip all your hits up.

Expose is possibly the worst EPT in the game. And until Imperial Veterans come out, the TIE Defender is still the worst ship in the game.

I would strike Rexler and downgrade Whisper's Gunner to Kallus or Tactician to make room for Vader (VI, title, EU, ATC) and a second Academy pilot.

Scum really don't like stress so I'd possibly ditch the defender and one of the ties for a Deci build that has rebel captive and Mara Jade in it. If you really want to keep the defender then I'd recommend a VI Vessery with HLC and Twin Ion Engine MKII, but I know that others would advise against HLC's on defenders...

I like the ideas. I like Defenders too, though to really get hot, they will need the upcoming Veterans set. But, I advocate playing what you like, of what ships you have.

I think a defender with a cannon of some sort is a great option. It works for me.

I believe that Expose is really a bonus card for the opponent. Especially on a pricey ship, don't drop your defense.

ACD on a phantom is practically required.

Happy hunting!

I been using the defenders a lot lately and don't see how they are bad except the high cost . But the 4 u turn serves me very well . I will try these additions and make a list .

Wednesday Tom killers ! (100)

Rexler Brath (44) - TIE Defender

Heavy Laser Cannon (7)

"Whisper" (39) - TIE Phantom

Veteran Instincts (1), Fire Control System (2), Advanced Cloaking Device (4)

Mauler Mithel (17) - TIE Fighter

Or

Wednesday Tom killers ! (100)

"Whisper" (41) - TIE Phantom

Veteran Instincts (1), Fire Control System (2), Tactician (2), Advanced Cloaking Device (4)

Darth Vader (35) - TIE Advanced

Veteran Instincts (1), TIE/x1 (0), Engine Upgrade (4), Advanced Targeting Computer (5)

Academy Pilot (12) - TIE Fighter

Academy Pilot (12) - TIE Fighter

I'm a fan of Defenders, but in my experience they really need upgrades. That being said, I can't really think of a worse upgrade to put on a Defender, or almost any other ship, than Expose. Predator should be your offensive card of choice, but Lone Wolf is excellent if your skill and squad can activate it reasonably often. As some have suggested, I like the idea of a single better TIE Fighter than two Academy Pilots. Two APs don't do much these days. I like Backstabber for a general 3rd wheel, usually, as he is easy to activate and really punishes other squads for going after your two main ships, but there are a lot of good options.

I been using the defenders a lot lately and don't see how they are bad except the high cost .

Well of course. If you don't take the cost into consideration, everything is awesome.

Useful feedback , but they seem to work well , maybe we're just not as competitive or our lists are more forgiving but they always do well .

Useful feedback , but they seem to work well , maybe we're just not as competitive or our lists are more forgiving but they always do well .

I've done pretty well with them in a competitive setting, but they do have certain weaknesses. If they work, they work, right?

Always with them what cannot be done.

The Defender is a fine ship, with or without Imp Vets. The cool part of your proposed list is both the Defender and the Phantom are credible threats, and your opponent will end up ignoring one in favor of the other at their peril.

My suggestion is that you find a way to limit the cost of both to 75 points. That way you could fit either Valen Rudor or Zeta Leader in your squad. As many have been pointing out, 3 agility and low pilot skill doesn't go as far as it used to. The strong dial of the Tie FO will be a great wingmate for your duo. For that matter, the defensive prowess of Rudor can fit that bill as well.

Good luck.

Taking VI off of whisper or replacing him with echo are my only option. List could be .

Test (98)

Rexler Brath (37) - TIE Defender

"Echo" (37) - TIE Phantom

Veteran Instincts (1), Fire Control System (2), Advanced Cloaking Device (4)

"Omega Leader" (24) - TIE/FO Fighter

Stealth Device (3)

2 spare points .

If you are going with Omega leader, then take Juke and Comm relay instead of Stealth device. That makes him a great ace hunter.