Many talk about the Contracted Scout. You can load your favourite torp plus a scum droid. Ok. Guidance Chips, convert to Hit. Ok. You pay 7 more points and gain extra shield, PS 3, Agiand...that little detail that, in my opinion, is a severe design flawn in today's game. EPT Slot.

No EPT slot in Y wings. Not even in Horton. And the lowest Jumpmaster can buy one. This is the real problem. Ultra Iconic Y wings have no EPT option. The Jumpmaster...yes. Much is spoken against W40K and the "last army, best army" plague.

I shake my head, do some maths and I don't understood why a basic Y wing is costed 18 pts and a Jumpmaster 25. The EPT slot is a headache. 360 degree fire, one more shield, Agi 2, and EPT slot.

So, an EU ship is much more capable than the basic Rebelion's workhorse. This is a nonsense. And the problem.is not the Jumpmaster per se. It is the fact that the inexistence of the EPT slot is a critical handicap. I think that x wing 2.0.is a must in a near future

Ultra Iconic Y wings have no EPT option.

R2D6 and Kavil would like to have a word with you.

uh

see the ept slot isn't a severe design flaw

rebel Y-wings not having an ept is a severe design flaw

ditto the base price of Smugglers and Fringers

Big ships get a discount for having a larger base, sadly they haven't rethought this even though we've had wave after wave of highly mobile big ships dominating the meta.

Made sense pre wave four now it's just too late to change things without making newer ships too expensive to take.

Well fluff wise, I expect the J5K is a lot more difficult to fly than the standard Y-Wing. Hence the EPT,

But comparison wise? Y wing with TLT adjusted for PS3 is equivalent points. Then EPT and large base with a better dial to offset? Yeah maybe not completely equal, but then it shouldn;t be. No ship exists in a vacuum due what ships you should take to support them. Anyway you look at it you do need to spend about another 33% of your list to fly the jumpmaster. That could force difficult decisions in list building in the meta. More points is after all more points. Lists should be synergistic and judged on the whole, not individual piece comparisons IMO

No EPT option. If you load a droid that gives you an EPT option, it is in the droid slot, not pilot's. No Ept in generics, Horton, etc. Compare Y vs Jumpmaster. The cost value is a bad joke.

Some will say...TLT Y WING...superb. Yes, TLT. It comes with the K wing. Twin laser turret in a ship with two ww2 ball turrets. Ok. Twin turrets, twin laser, two attacks. But not K WING ONLY. And what a mess.

You can't equip EPTs on Grey Squadron ships but yes on later waves EU ships not related to main characters or films. I have zero drama about it because I do not play Tournament style. But as with many games, after 8 waves, little.design flaws are not minor now. Another day we will.talk about Sienar Test Pilot vs generic Tie Interceptors

Ya'll realize that costing between factions is relative, meaning that it is different on purpose, right? To give each faction differing strengths and weakness? Not saying it may not be better from absolute pricing, but I am strongly guessing that the role of the Scout was considered very valuable to the Scum, much more so than YT-2400, YT-1300, etc and their low level equivalents.

Also, before the Scout complain-fest really gets going, can we actually have some time with the Wave before jumping to the conclusion that its OMG broken, FFG power creep that will end the game of X-Wing as we know it? Jeez. Hasn't even been out a week.

Scum sort of have a theme of mid-to-low PS EPTs. They are individualistic rogues who do things their own way. Rebel and Imperial basic ships often don't have an EPT because they're just the faceless grunts of the war. If they had elite talents, they'd have been promoted into one of the fancier squadrons (Green! Black!) or we would know their name and their unique talent would be printed on their card.

They already established this pattern with the cheapest Firespray and all Aggressor pilots having EPTs. Frankly, the Trandoshan Slaver is the odd man out as the only Scum large base ship that doesn't have an EPT in it's cheapest iteration.

So, an EU ship is much more capable than the basic Rebelion's workhorse. This is a nonsense. And the problem.is not the Jumpmaster per se. It is the fact that the inexistence of the EPT slot is a critical handicap. I think that x wing 2.0.is a must in a near future

Oh for crying out loud..... You know that the fluff and the rules won't always be 100% in sync, right? And seriously...WHO CARES?!?

The Y-wing has had it's day as a TLT delivery device. And as I have always said, the points you pay for something do NOT need to be equitable across factions, just within them.

Your rebel Y-wing might be more expensive than you like because of the combo possibilities with the other in-faction ships. This is game balance..

Taken as a direct 1 to 1 it's apples and oranges and really quite irrelevant.

Yeah man it sucks. But there are ways to get an ept on a rebel Y-wing and Kavil has one native. You are more than likely not getting an X-wing 2.0 anytime soon, they are just now really getting to new heights with the game and if they didn't do it with the Force Awakens stuff I doubt you'll see it for a while. I know that quite a bit of the community would rage quit over a 2.0 anytime soon.

We will see the number of generic Y wings as ordnance carriers vs Generic Jumpmasters as ordnance carriers. This is not about options or configurations. Simply, 18 vs 25 pts with no EPT option means that if you fly the Ys as torpedo carriers is because you love the ship. You can say this is moaning or the like, but numbers are numbers. And the wave 8 Jumpmaster is simply better than wave 1 Y wings. The new Army Book...is simply better.

And I love x wing and will play as much as I can. If you have no problem playing less and less with iconic ships and more with EU ships, OK. But I think that a full revision is needed.

I have zero drama in my game group, simply EPT ob Greys, one point more expensive. And when playing in my LGS, simply avoid the worst ships. No M3, torpedo Y, no generic Punisher...and the worst of all...no Red X wings.

Long life to the new king. Who cares about X and Y.

It's a shame that they made R2-D6 unique.

I love it when fans find something they personally dislike, and then turn it into a statement that something is empirically flawed. It's broken. It's over. Give us 2.0 whenever that became a forgone thing (it hasn't).

What to make an argument? How about support it with stats or play reports instead of just your meaningless opinion. You're certainly entitled to like or dislike whatever you choose, but please do not make a balance judgement and discussion based on nothing.

What about the things a Y wing has that a JM doesn't? Like droids? BTL-A4? Turrets with their damage and control? Its pilot skills? the dials? the substantially lower cost? large base maneuver issues?

Tell you what, try running 4 Scouts vs. 5 (or even 4) Btl-A4 Y wings with assorted pilots, droids, upgrades, and ordinance. Until then, stop wasting our time with your fake outrage over a non-existent problem

Wave 1 ships have flaws, news at 11.

Numbers are numbers. The Y wing is supposed to be Rebelion's main strike ship.

7 more points, Agi +1, one more Shield, PS+1, Barrel Roll action, EPT slot. Numbers are numbers.

You can say I am raging, a furious child, a Y wing fan or a enemy of the game. But numbers are numbers. I was happy because I thought that Guidance Chips should bring new life to torpedo carriers Y wings. That little EPT icon proved me wrong.

Attack the numbers, say me that point vs point you can field a squadron of generic Y that is not disvantaged against the Contracted Scouts, in Strike role.

Wave 8- a blow to Horton, Dutch, Arvel, Gemmer, Wild Space Fringer, Outer Rim Smuggler, Graz, Laetin, Fel's Wrath, Kir Kanos...

What about the things a Y wing has that a JM doesn't? Like droids?

Jumpmaster has an Astromech slot. That's one of the the things that has got people's panties in wads over the Contracted Scout.

It's basically agromech+deadeye letting you take target-locked torpedo shots along with chips. For the game up until the past five days absolutely no ship has been good in the 'strike' role because it didn't exist. Torpedoes were just that badly designed.

Numbers are numbers. The Y wing is supposed to be Rebelion's main strike ship.

7 more points, Agi +1, one more Shield, PS+1, Barrel Roll action, EPT slot. Numbers are numbers.

You can say I am raging, a furious child, a Y wing fan or a enemy of the game. But numbers are numbers. I was happy because I thought that Guidance Chips should bring new life to torpedo carriers Y wings. That little EPT icon proved me wrong.

Attack the numbers, say me that point vs point you can field a squadron of generic Y that is not disvantaged against the Contracted Scouts, in Strike role.

... and why would you ever do that?

By the way, you do realize that capitalizing on that EPT costs even more points, right? That means no 4 scouts, and that blows up your complaint about the scouts.

+7 points = 38% more expensive than a Y wing. Your issue appears to be that you don't like that a JM is "better" than a Y wing one-on-one, when it costs 38% more. Or that it may be better in certain roles.

I fail to see how/why this is an issue.... at least not yet. The JM appears to be good for the points, but I really don't see it as a threat to the Y wing, at all. And I certainly don't see how this breaks the game. The Y-wing's place in many current lists (esp. Rebel, turrets, bombs) would appear unchanged. If anything, this changes up how one might build a scum strike squad.... but that's a good thing, IMO, as it adds interest to S&V.

But if my opinion gets changed, it'll be with play reports, not theorycrafting out of context

Take Dutch Vander, and upgrade the Plasma Torpedoes the Scouts use to self-modifying Protons. That 7 point difference is enough to include a 4th Y-Wing, and then spend the points bidding 2 Y-Wings to Grey Squadron, or one of the Y-Wings to Dutch.

What about the things a Y wing has that a JM doesn't? Like droids?

Jumpmaster has an Astromech slot. That's one of the the things that has got people's panties in wads over the Contracted Scout.

Salvaged, yes. But it's apples and oranges vs. the original variety, which the JM obviously doesn't have access to (which is why i mentioned it)

Was there this type of anger when Green Squadron A's were released?

Named Y-Wings should have had a EPT end of story.

screw using the droid that costs points and takes away the droid slot to get an ept that's stupid.

But that's all spilled milk now. Hopefully in Rebel aces 2 or 3 Y-wings get decent pilot cards WITH AN EPT!!!

Might happen.

What about the things a Y wing has that a JM doesn't? Like droids?

Jumpmaster has an Astromech slot. That's one of the the things that has got people's panties in wads over the Contracted Scout.

Salvaged, yes. But it's apples and oranges vs. the original variety, which the JM obviously doesn't have access to (which is why i mentioned it)

The Salvaged Astromech is the stronger option for ordnance ships with Deadeye. It seems like any comparison of the Jumpmaster and the Y-Wing should use the Scum version of the Y-Wing since if you are choosing between them in a squad you'd be running Scum.

So, you can spend 9 points to put upgrades on a 9 health 25 point ship and get two modified four dice attacks, reverting to two dice after. Or you can spend 9 points to put upgrades on an 8 health 22 point ship and have every attack be a modified four dice attack.