I was playing in an Armada game today when I fired a pot shot that took the last health from an opponent's ship. He was upset about it but the rules and FAQ's don't seem clear (as in there are no attack order steps in the rule book) and there is nothing in the forums. I want to find an answer on his behalf. I had rolled 3 red die at medium (red/blue) range, results were 1 blank, 1 1-hit, and 1 2-hit. He used his evade to make me reroll my 2-hit die and I rolled an accuracy. I immediately used the accuracy to target the Redirect token so he would take that 1 hit and lose his ship. He was obviously upset as the ship hadn't been able to accomplish anything yet in the match and was prime to do so.

So, he said that Accuracy is used prior to defense tokens and Accuracy cannot be used after defense tokens are used. This point is backed up on page 14 of the rule book under the Defense Token section:

"After attack dice are rolled and the attacker spends his accuracy icons, the defender can spend one or more of his defense tokens as described below"

So, according to the rule, rerolled accuracies are wasted and are as useful as a blank die facing? Or can they take effect after the reroll?

An obvious counterpoint that confuses the issue in the rule book is on page 13 that says: "For each (Accuracy) icon rolled, the attacker chooses one of the defender's defense tokens. The chosen token cannot be used during this attack." In this case, the accuracy was rerolled (or "rolled" to apply to the rule above) and I applied it before any other defense tokens were used.

I think if there is a specific order to this event, a FAQ could might be needed to establish fixed steps (there might be one on one of those handy game aid cards that came with the core set but I don't have it nearby) and to make a rule calling on this occurrence to allow or deny rerolled accuracies.

Can anyone share with me any rulings made on this occurrence so far?

Accuracies cannot be used after a reroll. The defense token step comes after the resolve attack step where you spend accuracy icons. Check Rules Reference page 2. I personally don't feel a FAQ is needed as the order of events is really clear in the rules reference.

Yep, Wuf' has it.

Also, for future reference, this should be in the rules forum or dras won't be able to find it.

^{This helped me a lot.}

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Also, for future reference, this should be in the rules forum or dras won't be able to find it.

I find things.

I'm not that old.

I'm just sleep deprived.

... and booze deprived.

Also, for future reference, this should be in the rules forum or dras won't be able to find it.

I find things.

I'm not that old.

I'm just sleep deprived.

... and booze deprived.

Get this man a 500 cc coffee and bailey's bolus, STAT!

I know that the rules as written do not allow this, but on a personal level I think they should given the defending player can wait until after the reroll to decide what if any other defense tokens they will use. But that is just my opinion of how it should be, not how it is.

Indeed, it is as it is posted up above.

The Attacking Steps are as clear as they can be in the Rules Reference - you Go through the attack steps for every attack, after all.

Adding Dice only happens in one point, same as Spending Accuracies at their point.

If you could spend accuracy dice after being Evade Rerolled, there would be nothing stopping you adding dice after the Evade has been rolled, too... Potentially even doing gamey shenanigans like rolling your blue dice, having one of those evaded away, and then rolling a bunch of Red and/or black dice for Double hits, where the evade would have been preferred...

So yes.

Please respect the Attack Order in the Rule Book.

It is important.

I know that the rules as written do not allow this, but on a personal level I think they should given the defending player can wait until after the refill to decide what if any other defense tokens they will use. But that is just my opinion of how it should be, not how it is.

It is, as per the FAQ.

Q: Can a ship spend an evade token to reroll a die and wait to see the result before spending another defense token?

A: Yes

I guess there's a set length of time you are allowed to edit your post. For clarification, I should have said accuracies cannot be spent after an evade-forced reroll. They can't be spent after the Resolve attack step has ended. They can of course be spent if you're rerolling them during the Resolve Attack step, such as with leading shots.

Pretty sure this was understood since nobody corrected me, but just in case.

I know that the rules as written do not allow this, but on a personal level I think they should given the defending player can wait until after the refill to decide what if any other defense tokens they will use. But that is just my opinion of how it should be, not how it is.

It is, as per the FAQ.

Q: Can a ship spend an evade token to reroll a die and wait to see the result before spending another defense token?

A: Yes

You misunderstood what I was saying. What I meant was since the defender is allowed to wait until after the reroll, the attacker should be allowed to use a rerolled accuracy but the rules do not allow it.

I actually think this is a fairly common misconception with new players. Had it happen this weekend at a tourney where my first match was up against a relatively new player.

I rolled a few dice at him and he made me re-roll a hit and it came up an accuracy and he asked me what I was going to lock down with it. He was really surprised when I explained I couln't use the accuracy on him!

I know that the rules as written do not allow this, but on a personal level I think they should given the defending player can wait until after the refill to decide what if any other defense tokens they will use. But that is just my opinion of how it should be, not how it is.

It is, as per the FAQ.

Q: Can a ship spend an evade token to reroll a die and wait to see the result before spending another defense token?

A: Yes

You misunderstood what I was saying. What I meant was since the defender is allowed to wait until after the reroll, the attacker should be allowed to use a rerolled accuracy but the rules do not allow it.

Then my statement above about respecting the attack order applies

Really, I feel its for the best.

You misunderstood what I was saying. What I meant was since the defender is allowed to wait until after the reroll, the attacker should be allowed to use a rerolled accuracy but the rules do not allow it.

Why do you think this should be allowed? It would essentially make evade tokens worthless for blue dice at medium/close-with-Mon-Mothma range.

Now Lando rerolls, when are they applied? Sometimes i dont reroll hits as I prefer the hit to a brace blocking accuracy

I know that the rules as written do not allow this, but on a personal level I think they should given the defending player can wait until after the refill to decide what if any other defense tokens they will use. But that is just my opinion of how it should be, not how it is.

It is, as per the FAQ.

Q: Can a ship spend an evade token to reroll a die and wait to see the result before spending another defense token?

A: Yes

You misunderstood what I was saying. What I meant was since the defender is allowed to wait until after the reroll, the attacker should be allowed to use a rerolled accuracy but the rules do not allow it.

The problem is that it is a different part of the attack phase, though.

In any case, accuracies aren't necessarily useless, SW-7 Ion Cannons can still make use a rerolled accuracy to inflict an extra point of damage.

Now Lando rerolls, when are they applied? Sometimes i dont reroll hits as I prefer the hit to a brace blocking accuracy

Lando reroll is done during the spend defense token step, so after the attacker is done modifying dice.

Now Lando rerolls, when are they applied? Sometimes i dont reroll hits as I prefer the hit to a brace blocking accuracy

I think that Lando applies during the defense token step, doesn't he?

If you are defending, I don't think you can force a reroll where the attacker gets to spend any be accuracies to block defense tokens. I think all reroll effects like that happen after the modify dice step.

You misunderstood what I was saying. What I meant was since the defender is allowed to wait until after the reroll, the attacker should be allowed to use a rerolled accuracy but the rules do not allow it.

Why do you think this should be allowed? It would essentially make evade tokens worthless for blue dice at medium/close-with-Mon-Mothma range.

Same could be said for rerolling a hit into a crit. Just one of the inherent dangers of forcing a reroll. As I said earlier, that is just my opinion, but the rules do not work that way.

Now Lando rerolls, when are they applied? Sometimes i dont reroll hits as I prefer the hit to a brace blocking accuracy

Lando reroll is done during the spend defense token step, so after the attacker is done modifying dice.

So the attackers gets to use their accuracy, even if you reroll it?

I have been playing it wrong then

Now Lando rerolls, when are they applied? Sometimes i dont reroll hits as I prefer the hit to a brace blocking accuracy

Lando reroll is done during the spend defense token step, so after the attacker is done modifying dice.

So the attackers gets to use their accuracy, even if you reroll it?

I have been playing it wrong then

They could use any rolled accuracy before you reroll it. They could not use a rerolled accuracy to block one if your defense tokens.

Now Lando rerolls, when are they applied? Sometimes i dont reroll hits as I prefer the hit to a brace blocking accuracy

Lando reroll is done during the spend defense token step, so after the attacker is done modifying dice.

So the attackers gets to use their accuracy, even if you reroll it?

I have been playing it wrong then

Once the attacker is done modifying dice, he or she CANNOT use accuracies that come up during rerolls during the spend defense token step.

So no, the attacker can't use accuracies that come up from Lando rerolls.

Gather Dice at Range (and roll them)

Add Attack Dice (and Roll them)

Spend Accuracy Dice to prevent Defense Tokens.

Spend Defense Tokens and/or Lando. (Scatter and Evade Happens Immediately. Contain, Brace, Redirect must be declared here, but don't resolve until later)

Declare a Critical Effect if there is at least one Crit Die (Contain resolves here)

Count up the Total Damage Points. (Brace happens here)

Divvy out Total Damage Points One By One (Redirect Happens Here)

Any accuracy results rerolled to after the Bolded step above cannot be spent to nullify defense tokens. However, they remain Accuracies, and may resolve other card effects (such as SW7 Ion Cannons)

You misunderstood what I was saying. What I meant was since the defender is allowed to wait until after the reroll, the attacker should be allowed to use a rerolled accuracy but the rules do not allow it.

Why do you think this should be allowed? It would essentially make evade tokens worthless for blue dice at medium/close-with-Mon-Mothma range.

Same could be said for rerolling a hit into a crit. Just one of the inherent dangers of forcing a reroll. As I said earlier, that is just my opinion, but the rules do not work that way.

Allowing the attacker to spend accuracies after the Resolve Attack phase would lead to the attacker also being able to reroll their dice vaia leading shots, Vader, etc, after defense tokens are spent.

As others have said, there's an order to the attacks and how they work. Can't just switch things up willy nilly. Being able to see what the attacker rerolls before deciding whether or not you want to brace is not even close to the same thing as the attacker being able to spend accuracies after an evade reroll. I don't understand the logic in equating the two.