So the core of this question is about the trigger/timing of R4 Agromech.

R4 Agromech

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When attacking, after you spend a focus token, you may acquire a target lock on the defender.

This is what I want to do:

Action: Focus for 2 tokens.

Attack: 1/Roll Dice. 2/Spend 1st focus token (even if there aren't any on dice.). 3/Acquire Target Lock. 4/Spend Target Lock. 5/Spend 2nd focus token. 6/Re-Acquire Target Lock.

The question that arises is trigger. The rules reference say that a card ability cannot be resolved during the timing on the specific card.

So is the timing while attacking, or spending the focus token (while attacking)? The former would not allow acquiring 2 target locks during my combo, and the latter would.

"When attacking" would be the timing, as implied by the example given of "when defending" cannot be resolved twice during the same attack

Who can focus for 2 tokens and take a salvaged astromech?

Who can focus for 2 tokens and take a salvaged astromech?

Jumpmaster 5K.

I can honestly see arguments for either case. I'd really love an official ruling.

Wouldn't the "once per opportunity" rule kick in here?

That's the question. Is the opportunity when attacking, or when you spend a focus token (while attacking)?

The timing is "When attacking..." and the following rule would disallow multiple uses during the attack:

A card ability cannot be resolved more than once during the timing specified on the card. For example, a card with the timing of “when defending” cannot be resolved twice by the defender during a single attack.

Wouldn't the "once per opportunity" rule kick in here?

Yes, I believe it would.

You could, however, spend 2 Focus tokens for different purposes during one attack.

You could, however, spend 2 Focus tokens for different purposes during one attack.

For example, if your ship was equipped with Calculation and had 2 Focus tokens, you would be able to spend 1 token to trigger Calculation and another for the regular effect. You just can't double up on one use due to "once per opportunity".

Alternatively, Deadeyeing a Torpedo

Again, I've got a lot of people on Facebook ect that think the opportunity is being created by spending the token as the card would not be triggered simply by attacking. You have to spend the token for anything to happen, so that is the opportunity for the effect to take place. So spending the second token would create a completely different opportunity.

Again, I've got a lot of people on Facebook ect that think the opportunity is being created by spending the token as the card would not be triggered simply by attacking. You have to spend the token for anything to happen, so that is the opportunity for the effect to take place. So spending the second token would create a completely different opportunity.

These Facebookers would be correct IF R4 Agromech was worded: "After you spend a focus token, acquire a target lock." As has been repeated above the opportunity is based on the "When attacking" not "after you spend a focus token." In essence you trigger: I am attacking, I spend a focus, trigger R4 agromech, acquire TL, spend TL, spend second focus, cannot trigger R4 agromech as it has already been triggered during this declaration of attacking and the "once per opportunity" rule applies.

By way of a less than ideal example: If R4 Agromech could trigger multiple times "when attacking" then you would be able to argue that you may trigger autothrusters multiple times "when defending" because you believe autothrusters is triggered based on "you may change 1 blank result to an evade result." (The use of "you" does not mean you personally but rather a hypothetical TO's worst nightmare: a rules-stickler who has it all wrong.)

Again, I've got a lot of people on Facebook ect that think the opportunity is being created by spending the token as the card would not be triggered simply by attacking. You have to spend the token for anything to happen, so that is the opportunity for the effect to take place. So spending the second token would create a completely different opportunity.

These Facebookers would be correct IF R4 Agromech was worded: "After you spend a focus token, acquire a target lock." As has been repeated above the opportunity is based on the "When attacking" not "after you spend a focus token." In essence you trigger: I am attacking, I spend a focus, trigger R4 agromech, acquire TL, spend TL, spend second focus, cannot trigger R4 agromech as it has already been triggered during this declaration of attacking and the "once per opportunity" rule applies.

By way of a less than ideal example: If R4 Agromech could trigger multiple times "when attacking" then you would be able to argue that you may trigger autothrusters multiple times "when defending" because you believe autothrusters is triggered based on "you may change 1 blank result to an evade result." (The use of "you" does not mean you personally but rather a hypothetical TO's worst nightmare: a rules-stickler who has it all wrong.)

Let me preface this by saying I'm not getting "Aggro'd" myself. I'm just playing advocate at this point. The reason that they didn't just word it "when you spend a focus token" is they only intended it to be an offensive bonus. I actually think they originally intended it to fix the blaster turret and to a lesser extent, give more "umph" to a titled Y-Wing.

Anyways, I'd love to get an official ruling on this before my tourney this weekend. Otherwise, I'll leave it up to the officiater. This thread will be good food for thought to help him make his ruling.

The timing of R4 Agromech isn't just "When attacking..." it's "When attacking, after you spend a Focus token...". I argue that it would work the same if it were worded "After spending a Focus token, if you are attacking...".

I mean, I know the example given in the rule uses "When defending," but that's so people don't argue that you can trigger "When defending, you may throw a cookie at your opponent" an arbitrarily large number of times.

We're not really going to argue about whether the clause that starts with the word "after" is referring to timing, are we?

I believe this works. It IS possible to spend multiple focus tokens during an attack, although in most cases there is no reason to (exception being Calculation, for example. Change one to a crit with Calc. then the rest to hits).

Is it possible to spend more than one focus token for the attack opportunity though? (Not deadeye or whatever that's a different effect)

Attack, focus, TL, spend TL immediately, get an eyeball on the re-roll. Can I spend the second focus now at all? Never mind getting the second TL.

Is it possible to spend more than one focus token for the attack opportunity though? (Not deadeye or whatever that's a different effect)

Attack, focus, TL, spend TL immediately, get an eyeball on the re-roll. Can I spend the second focus now at all? Never mind getting the second TL.

There's typically no benefit to spending two focus tokens on a single attack roll, but I can't see any reason to say "no," especially since we have a parallel ruling for evade tokens that says "yes."

The timing of R4 Agromech isn't just "When attacking..." it's "When attacking, after you spend a Focus token...". I argue that it would work the same if it were worded "After spending a Focus token, if you are attacking...".I mean, I know the example given in the rule uses "When defending," but that's so people don't argue that you can trigger "When defending, you may throw a cookie at your opponent" an arbitrarily large number of times.We're not really going to argue about whether the clause that starts with the word "after" is referring to timing, are we?

That's a timing window ("when attacking") and a trigger ("after you spend a focus token"). I'd say the once per opportunity rule applies separately to each.

Is it possible to spend more than one focus token for the attack opportunity though? (Not deadeye or whatever that's a different effect)

Attack, focus, TL, spend TL immediately, get an eyeball on the re-roll. Can I spend the second focus now at all? Never mind getting the second TL.

There's typically no benefit to spending two focus tokens on a single attack roll, but I can't see any reason to say "no," especially since we have a parallel ruling for evade tokens that says "yes."

I agree, in fact, I think it's pretty clear that you can spend focus tokens multiple times in the same attack (in the normal fashion, i.e. still only once per opportunity for card abilities).

Then the attacker can modify his attack dice in one or more of the following ways as many times as possible:

Yep! There it is. I looked through the FAQ but I missed that nugget in the rules reference. My concern was there was a "spend focus" step, which, if passed, would prevent it being spent again, but I see nothing in the rules reference suggesting you can't spend, modify, spend again.

Cheers!

I think the opportunity would be "when attacking, after you spend a focus token". Neither "when attacking" or "after you spend a focus token" is the opportunity to use R4, but both conditions in conjunction. That would mean that each time you spend a focus token when attacking would be a separate time to use R4.

This is one of those times I wish that X-Wing had a more defined card anatomy, though. It really should provide a clear line between opportunity, effect, and any conditional effects.