Kanan + Recon Specialist(s?)

By demon3o5z, in X-Wing

So I think Kanan's ability sounds cool. Pay a focus and get a pass on an opponent's attack die. Putting a recon specialist on the ship sounds like a no brainer to me. Little extra defense and maybe modify some dice when you get your turn. Here's my question though.

If I have two recon specialists on the ship, does that mean I get three focus tokens out of one focus action, or do recon spec.s not stack? Because that, plus the sensor jammer, could lead to a pretty tanky ship.

Granted I can see how this is still pretty weak to swarms, but what big ship isn't.

Thoughts? Questions? Concerns? Witty remarks?

2 rec specs = 3 focus yes. You can get 4 with Kyle Katarn + rec spec assuming you clear a stress and take a focus action. It's definitely going to be a thing and nerfing 3/3 attacks from palp aces or 2/2 brobot attacks is brutal.

this wouldnt fall in to the issue of "once per opportunity catagory?

i thought things like this could only be triggered once per shot, unless im reading your text wrong nigel, unless you mean 3 shots from 3 different targets / 2 dice from 2 targets... and not like nerf the shot from fel from 3-0 with 3 foci.. but with things like gunner/TLT/Cluster missiles i would imagine you could effect both assuming you had enough foci

2 rec specs = 3 focus yes. You can get 4 with Kyle Katarn + rec spec assuming you clear a stress and take a focus action. It's definitely going to be a thing and nerfing 3/3 attacks from palp aces or 2/2 brobot attacks is brutal.

Still 3 tokens. Kyle does not let you perform free focus action, that is the trigger for recspec, but just gives you the token.

2 rec specs = 3 focus yes. You can get 4 with Kyle Katarn + rec spec assuming you clear a stress and take a focus action. It's definitely going to be a thing and nerfing 3/3 attacks from palp aces or 2/2 brobot attacks is brutal.

Thanks for clearing that up for me!

this wouldnt fall in to the issue of "once per opportunity catagory?

i thought things like this could only be triggered once per shot, unless im reading your text wrong nigel, unless you mean 3 shots from 3 different targets / 2 dice from 2 targets... and not like nerf the shot from fel from 3-0 with 3 foci.. but with things like gunner/TLT/Cluster missiles i would imagine you could effect both assuming you had enough foci

I was wondering if it could be triggered multiple times in one attack as well, but I was mostly focused on the "3 shots from 3 targets" aspect. Mostly because cancelling *all* of your opponents dice just seems like a d!ck move.

I like this:

Kanan Jarrus (38)
Fire-Control System (2)
Autoblaster Turret (2)
Extra Munitions (2)
Plasma Torpedoes (3)
Jan Ors (2)
Recon Specialist (3)
Guidance Chips (0)
Total: 52
Good wingmate. Very good at protecting himself in the late game, for a ship with 0 agility. Better still, he's VERY good at helping to defend fragile friends.
You know...maybe if you have some friends who regenerate shields and need a bit of breathing room? Something like that? ...yeah. That's the ticket.

I like this:

Kanan Jarrus (38)
Fire-Control System (2)
Autoblaster Turret (2)
Extra Munitions (2)
Plasma Torpedoes (3)
Jan Ors (2)
Recon Specialist (3)
Guidance Chips (0)
Total: 52
Good wingmate. Very good at protecting himself in the late game, for a ship with 0 agility. Better still, he's VERY good at helping to defend fragile friends.
You know...maybe if you have some friends who regenerate shields and need a bit of breathing room? Something like that? ...yeah. That's the ticket.

if you put Recspec in place of Ors, and fly Ors in a Hwk with TLT nearby you can get 6 dice primary R1 or three dice ABT

I like this:

Kanan Jarrus (38)
Fire-Control System (2)
Autoblaster Turret (2)
Extra Munitions (2)
Plasma Torpedoes (3)
Jan Ors (2)
Recon Specialist (3)
Guidance Chips (0)
Total: 52
Good wingmate. Very good at protecting himself in the late game, for a ship with 0 agility. Better still, he's VERY good at helping to defend fragile friends.
You know...maybe if you have some friends who regenerate shields and need a bit of breathing room? Something like that? ...yeah. That's the ticket.

if you put Recspec in place of Ors, and fly Ors in a Hwk with TLT nearby you can get 6 dice primary R1 or three dice ABT

Precisely. That'll be a list.

If you lose the torpedoes you can fit inn Biggs and a Stresshog. As soon as you keep feeding Biggs damage mitigation he should last a while. You might even consider giving Kanan a Tactical Jammer and let Biggs fly behind him.

I like this:

Kanan Jarrus (38)
Fire-Control System (2)
Autoblaster Turret (2)
Extra Munitions (2)
Plasma Torpedoes (3)
Jan Ors (2)
Recon Specialist (3)
Guidance Chips (0)
Total: 52
Good wingmate. Very good at protecting himself in the late game, for a ship with 0 agility. Better still, he's VERY good at helping to defend fragile friends.
You know...maybe if you have some friends who regenerate shields and need a bit of breathing room? Something like that? ...yeah. That's the ticket.

if you put Recspec in place of Ors, and fly Ors in a Hwk with TLT nearby you can get 6 dice primary R1 or three dice ABT

Precisely. That'll be a list.

and with Kanan supporting Ors with the help of the focuses he can keep it from dying.

https://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Rebel%20Alliance&d=v4!s!48:170,135,-1:-1:-1:;31:18,72:7:15:U.150;156:36,120,-1,-1,38,167:-1:14:&sn=Unnamed%20Squadron

adapt (either way) Chopper to assure unless blocked always get a focus. seems like a fun list.

I'm interested in trying something like this:

Kanan Jarrus

Sensor Jammer, Dorsal Turret, Jan, Recon Spec, title and tactical jammer

Zeb assault shuttle with title

Biggs, R2-D2, IA

That gives Biggs some impressive survivability, and the extra life that Biggs grants is actually far more than his 3 hull, 2 shields would imply. Shots on Biggs benefit from evade dice and evade token courtesy of Jan, he can regen, ghost can obstruct, Kanan still works on shots fired at Biggs, and IA gives him extra staying power. Biggs still offers 3 attack dice in the mix.

Still, since the idea here is to let Biggs live as long as possible, FCS may be worth more than sensor jammer, gives you 4 points to play with. Maybe an upgrade on the shuttle if you end up having to deploy it (in this setup it's just 18 points to give second arc and second attack. Maybe upgrade the dorsal turret to a TLT, but this setup prefers close ranges.

What about recon spec, Han and FCS?

You can spend your focus on incoming attacks to make them roll 1 less die, with Han and FCS you can either reroll your dice or count it as if it were a focus token.

You can have 3PO and Lando on him too. Guess 0 when you do the Lando Action and have fun with your (hypothetical) 2 foci and 1 evade tokens!

You can have 3PO and Lando on him too. Guess 0 when you do the Lando Action and have fun with your (hypothetical) 2 foci and 1 evade tokens!

That doesn't work; C-3PO specifically says "...before you roll 1 or more defense dice...."

You can have 3PO and Lando on him too. Guess 0 when you do the Lando Action and have fun with your (hypothetical) 2 foci and 1 evade tokens!

That doesn't work; C-3PO specifically says "...before you roll 1 or more defense dice...."

Yes, and with Lando you roll two defense dice. C-3PO works perfectly with Lando.

Yes, and with Lando you roll two defense dice. C-3PO works perfectly with Lando.

Yes, and with Lando you roll two defense dice. C-3PO works perfectly with Lando.

Yup, confirmed in the FFG FAQ.
Edited by Parakitor

All these ideas getting tossed around based on one combo on the ship is why I'm a big fan. Really look forward to putting it on the table.

1) yeah I meant 3 times for 3 different ships, 1x per.

2) d'oh I didn't look up rec spec again and falsely assumed it boosted all focus

Unfortunately his ability can only be used once per attack. The original article with Kanan said that specifically, as I think they anticipated a lot of questions about it. You could still stack focus tokens and use them on different attacks, but you can't use 3 focus to bring a single ship's attack down by 3 dice.

2 rec specs = 3 focus yes. You can get 4 with Kyle Katarn + rec spec assuming you clear a stress and take a focus action. It's definitely going to be a thing and nerfing 3/3 attacks from palp aces or 2/2 brobot attacks is brutal.

Thanks for clearing that up for me!

this wouldnt fall in to the issue of "once per opportunity catagory?

i thought things like this could only be triggered once per shot, unless im reading your text wrong nigel, unless you mean 3 shots from 3 different targets / 2 dice from 2 targets... and not like nerf the shot from fel from 3-0 with 3 foci.. but with things like gunner/TLT/Cluster missiles i would imagine you could effect both assuming you had enough foci

I was wondering if it could be triggered multiple times in one attack as well, but I was mostly focused on the "3 shots from 3 targets" aspect. Mostly because cancelling *all* of your opponents dice just seems like a d!ck move.

I would imagine if you could spend x tokens to cancel x dice, it would be worded similar to the Zuckuss crew card.

"When attacking, you may receive any number of stress tokens to choose an equal number of defense dice. The defender must reroll those dice"

On a side note, why do the Shuttle pilots get an EPT but the Ghost pilots dont? Balance you think?

this wouldnt fall in to the issue of "once per opportunity category?

Nope.

Each Recon Specialist is triggering once per opportunity.

They're just doing so independently of each other, so the effect will stack.

On a side note, why do the Shuttle pilots get an EPT but the Ghost pilots dont? Balance you think?

Cause they would love expose. Maybe even too much. They wanted to prevent this toxic relationship that would make both parties sad and unsuccesfull in life.

On a side note, why do the Shuttle pilots get an EPT but the Ghost pilots dont? Balance you think?

Daredevil on Hera with EU would also make for a ship that could turn on a dime like an Interceptor but in any direction. Not quite fitting for a heavily armed freighter. Lone Wolf would also be an an easy choice on such a big ship.