False advertising : Mist Hunter pack

By Rogue 4, in X-Wing

It feels like a last minute change. There makes no sense on including two tokens and only one card, as you cannot place more than one token simultaneously with a single Tractor Beam cannon.

The sense is in the marketing/selling. People are more likely to use 2 TB's than 2 Baffles, ergo you need 2 Mist Hunters if you dont want to wait for the Imp Vets. As for the tokens, I believe a lot of these are just space filler. I mean do you really need 3 50 numbers and 3 51 number tokens?

Actually you do need 3 of the number tokens, they are not just space fillers. Two go on the base both showing the same side outward and the third is placed on the corresponding pilot card showing the same side up. This is for differential purposes in case two people are using the same number tokens. You need two for the base because the tokens are double sided. When viewing a ship with only one token on the base, it could be accidentally be confused as your opponents ship at a glance if you see the opposite side showing.

Example: You use the dark side to indicate your TIE swarm and your opponent uses the light side to indicate their TIE swarm. With only one number tile, your shop could be mistaken for your opponent's during play as you will eventually see the 'back' side of the tile during manoeuvring.

Tempest in a teapot.

Buy another ship jeez big deal.

Slightly annoying but that's it.

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So question is was the change intentional and if it was then what factor made FFG decide on that change? Maybe there will be 2 tractor beams in the Imperial Veterans set.

The change was probably made because it is not possible to have multiple G-1A's with a tractor beam

Every upgrade they include multiples of can be used by multiples of the same ship.

I guess but that still doesn't make sense because multiples of the same ship will still have multiples of the duplicate card. Sure the 2 K-wings can both take TLTs but that still leaves you with 2 unused TLT upgrades.

You may have a somewhat reasonable theory but it still seems cold to me.

They did it with autothrusters on the starviper too

All the "medium" sized ships do this

Still not enough. How many Star Vipers do you run with? Again you what benefit would you have if you got 4 autothrusters but only 2 star vipers? Your reasoning is failing to logic here.

Sure the ships in the expansion can make use of every available upgrade but every now and then there is a meta correcting upgrade that comes in duplicate in a pack. Both Autothrusters and TLT did that. However sure we can all safely conclude that tractor beam would not be one of those upgrades despite all its potential for gimicks. However I don't even see electronic baffle making any inroads in the meta today.

But as you can see the plan was for 2 tractor beams and 1 electronic baffle. There would be no point in including duplicates of an upgrade unless it was for other ships. Otherwise you would just have one for each ship expansion that you bought. This game wasn't really set up as a trading game although there is a limited secondary market. You bought the expansions for the upgrades and ships you wanted and that is that. So again why the change?

Edited by Marinealver

Tempest in a teapot.

Buy another ship jeez big deal.

Slightly annoying but that's it.

I wish I could say it's FFG looking out for you, trying to veer you off from overusing Tractor Beam Cannons in your lists because it can easily weaken them.

But then they provide 2 Electronic Baffles so my pet theory is SHOT.

They're trying to make it easier to run quad Baffle Lambda Shuttles!

I wish I could say it's FFG looking out for you, trying to veer you off from overusing Tractor Beam Cannons in your lists because it can easily weaken them.

But then they provide 2 Electronic Baffles so my pet theory is SHOT.

They're trying to make it easier to run quad Baffle Lambda Shuttles!

But Quad Lambda people play imperial, and probably will buy Imperial Veterans anyways. Scum only players have not much value buying Imperial Veterans (and it seems to be only one TB there as well).

It's probably just a mistake.

Besides, you're not going to be spamming tracs until Imp Vets anyway.

yup, It looks like you get a 2nd electronic baffle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWLpsXiMPS8

however in the original spoiler there was 2 tractor beams.

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So question is was the change intentional and if it was then what factor made FFG decide on that change? Maybe there will be 2 tractor beams in the Imperial Veterans set.

The change was probably made because it is not possible to have multiple G-1A's with a tractor beam

Every upgrade they include multiples of can be used by multiples of the same ship.

Um...what? Tractor beam is a cannon slot upgrade, what would be stopping you from outfiting multiple G-1A's

yup, It looks like you get a 2nd electronic baffle.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWLpsXiMPS8

however in the original spoiler there was 2 tractor beams.swx41_spread-3.png

So question is was the change intentional and if it was then what factor made FFG decide on that change? Maybe there will be 2 tractor beams in the Imperial Veterans set.

The change was probably made because it is not possible to have multiple G-1A's with a tractor beam

Every upgrade they include multiples of can be used by multiples of the same ship.

Um...what? Tractor beam is a cannon slot upgrade, what would be stopping you from outfiting multiple G-1A's

The Mist Hunter title allows 1 ship to take a tractor beam. The G1 has no cannon slot normally.

I suspect it's because Imperial Aces will come with at least one Tractor Beam, so they've got another way of getting them out there, while they've got no plans to release another ship with Electronic Baffles in the near future.

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There's some other pretty compelling evidence that this is a very old spread image, likely made before the pack was fully finalised.

Look at the dial.

Edited by Blue Five

None of the excuses matter. The advertising promised two tractor beams and no promotional material qualified any change in that number.

I suspect it's because Imperial Aces will come with at least one Tractor Beam, so they've got another way of getting them out there, while they've got no plans to release another ship with Electronic Baffles in the near future.

Imperial Veterans, but yeah, I suspect this is probably the reason also.

Edited by DarthEnderX

Still, there are two tractor beam tokens, right? That could be an indication that there has been a mistake.

****, that's a bit of a kick in the teeth. Pretty sure Tractor Beams are going to be a lot more widely used than Electronic Baffles.

yup, It looks like you get a 2nd electronic baffle.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWLpsXiMPS8

however in the original spoiler there was 2 tractor beams.swx41_spread-3.png

So question is was the change intentional and if it was then what factor made FFG decide on that change? Maybe there will be 2 tractor beams in the Imperial Veterans set.

The change was probably made because it is not possible to have multiple G-1A's with a tractor beam

Every upgrade they include multiples of can be used by multiples of the same ship.

Um...what? Tractor beam is a cannon slot upgrade, what would be stopping you from outfiting multiple G-1A's

The Mist Hunter title allows 1 ship to take a tractor beam. The G1 has no cannon slot normally.

Ah my bad, Id had sworn that I saw a cannon slot in its upgrade bar

It used to say in every article "final product may vary"

I'm willing to bet they changed it because they simply thought people would prefer two Baffles to two Beams.

I'm willing to bet they changed it because they simply thought people would prefer two Baffles to two Beams.

Or they thought people would prefer 2 beams and as such they will be more likely to buy multiples.

FFG is a business in the end, and buying ships you might not want/need for cards is a key part of x-wing business model.

Getting 3 anyways for Scum Panic Attack, but I can see preorderers being annoyed by this.

We've known it was going to be this way for weeks I don't get how anyone's been caught out by this.

The articles being wrong is nothing new.

A strongly worded letter .. over this?? Are you serious!?

I manage the complaints department for a large organisation and we take feedback very seriously. If I was to see your letters complaining over this .. they'd be put in the waste of time basket and you'd get a standardised letter that says something to the effect of "Thanks your feedback, it's important to us .. we are sorry to hear that you had this negative experience .. we apologise and will endeavour to ensure that future interactions are more positive."

The Mktg guys would get an email asking them to be mindful in the future. That's it.

Before you start your 'importance of the customer' rant remember that organisations are about $. It's a value proposition. Will your voice and those of a few other fellas affect profits, reputation, brand positioning or the perceived value of our product? Probably not.

However .. I truly hope I'm wrong .. and if anyone will show me up, it'll be FFG.

swx41_spread-3.png

There's some other pretty compelling evidence that this is a very old spread image, likely made before the pack was fully finalised.

Look at the dial.

Well yeah, It definitely is an older shot as it was the first announcement and I think it is obvious that there are changes as in the example of the dial. So it looks like the double electronic baffle is the right component set for the Mist hunter.

That being said I think the question is why did FFG make the change? Again I don't think it is to get people to buy 2 Mist Hunters or they would have made adaptability 1 card only. Also this is the first small ship to have 2 double upgrades so I guess towards the end it was decided to swap a tractor beam for a baffle, although it does leave many on the forum...

...baffled.

Sorry I couldn't save myself from the pun :P

Edited by Marinealver

Now I'm going to send FFG a letter. I wanted my dial to have "Transport" on it, not "Starfighter". False advertising. :P :D :P

I would not write a strongly worded letter. We don't know what's behind this, but it is likely that much depends on FFG's goodwill.