False advertising : Mist Hunter pack

By Rogue 4, in X-Wing

This isn't the first time this has happened. The Gozanti advertised three copies of each of the huge ship only modifications. But they only packaged two each in the final product. We got some more missiles instead.

The Raider too, showed cluster missiles in the advertisement, but instead came with prockets. None of those have been TOO egregious for me personally. But it is annoying. Especially when your purchases are determined by how many copies of a card you assume you'll be getting based on an advertisement.

Honestly, even though I'm not put off by this, I'm considering contacting FFG if only to try to get them to pay better attention to their preview articles. They have so many errors in those things it kind of blows my mind, and it sends a bit of a "lazy" message about their approach to things. But, if they never see repercussions, they have no reason to crack down. Perhaps this is where we see it.

I was considering buying two of them. I usually get a minimum of two for the small ships. On this ship I wanted the tractor beam and maybe an addition transport just for scenarios/missions. But since I would have to proxy the tractor beam even if I get two, maybe I will only get one. That will save me some money and I've been talking about cutting back on getting ships for cards anyway. See there's always a bright side ;)

If someone offers you X, and you buy X, but X turns out to be Y, then someone has broken a contract with you.

All the info we have on releases comes direct from FFG. The buck stops with them.

The mantrum brigade out in full force I see, waving their 'consumer privilege' around.

Considering the lead times of development and production from reveal to release it's just kind of dumb to hold the preview image as anything more than a close approximate of the final product.

Stuff is always subject to change and it's entirely down to FFG what they do. No need to get yourself in a twist over £15 (or regional equivalent). It's kind of embarrassing.

Question: Based on the ships itself since we are not getting two tractor beams is there any reason to buy two Mist Hunters?

It seems a bit unreasonable to expect spoilers on new products before they are complete and then complain when refinements are made. Personally, I'd rather get early glimpses of what cool goodies are in the pipeline, even if tweaks might still need to be made to them before they actually come out. But if some of you prefer the WYSIWYG approach, I fear that sentiment will result in not getting previews until after the products are at the printer.

I can understand why people who were expecting 2 tractor beam upgrades are upset only getting 1, not everyone has an unlimited income to spend on the game and if you don't plan on flying 2 mist hunters but do want to fly 2 ships with tractor beams it is kind of annoying having 2 buy a 2nd mist hunter when images put out by FFG made you believe you were only going to have to buy 1

Tempest in a teapot.

Buy another ship jeez big deal.

Slightly annoying but that's it.

I wasn't counting on buying more and I don't plan to buy IV. This is a disappointment; two tractor beams was actually a bit of a selling point for me. I can rage on this forum, but that seems rather pointless. Cancelling my order means I end up with nothing at all. Maybe a mail to FFG customer service will help.

But fulfill my curiosity here. What possible list could anyone be building for competitive play that uses not one, but TWO tractor beam cards, especially if they AREN'T buying IV - the pack that actually makes them worth considering? I'll happily jump on the outrage train if anyone can make a case better than "it might be occasionally useful if you can spare the points".

Edited by GiraffeandZebra

Tempest in a teapot.

Buy another ship jeez big deal.

Slightly annoying but that's it.

I wasn't counting on buying more and I don't plan to buy IV. This is a disappointment; two tractor beams was actually a bit of a selling point for me. I can rage on this forum, but that seems rather pointless. Cancelling my order means I end up with nothing at all. Maybe a mail to FFG customer service will help.

I don't disagree that this is sh*tty on FFG's part, though my guess is it was a miscommunication or mistake that they didn't want to delay the wave 4 months to fix.

But fulfill my curiosity here. What possible list could anyone be building for competitive play that uses not one, but TWO tractor beam cards, especially if they AREN'T buying IV - the pack that actually makes them worth considering?

I was honestly planning on flying this list at the next SC.

Gold Squadron Pilot (18)
Twin Laser Turret (6)
R3-A2 (2)
BTL-A4 Y-Wing (0)
Blue Squadron Pilot (22)
Tractor Beam (1)
Tactician (2)
B-Wing/E2 (1)
Blue Squadron Pilot (22)
Tractor Beam (1)
Tactician (2)
B-Wing/E2 (1)
Rookie Pilot (21)
R2 Astromech (1)
Integrated Astromech (0)
Total: 100
Maybe not top tier but would be fun (for me). I am not flying off the handle here but I am a little grumpy about this. I did want exactly two TB and happily have one of each ship from wave 8 waiting at my FLGS for me to pick up today. Now I can't run the list that I had planned out unless I order a second Mist Hunter. Who knows, maybe Baffle is the better card and I'll be happy about it in the long run.

Question: Based on the ships itself since we are not getting two tractor beams is there any reason to buy two Mist Hunters?

4 generics with tactician isn't terrible.

If I had a dollar for every error in an FFG X-wing preview article, I'd have - uh , how many preview articles have there been?

Things changed in development. Not the first time a preview image has been wrong about card contents. The decision to include a second copy of Baffle over tractor beam makes sense since Imperial Veterans is hitting stores in a couple months. It'd be nice if FFG had a way to warn us about this, but how would they do that?

Multiple Electronic Baffles means I can fully equip my Baffalo Mini-Swarm with only two Mist Hunter purchases.

Tempest in a teapot.

Buy another ship jeez big deal.

Slightly annoying but that's it.

I wasn't counting on buying more and I don't plan to buy IV. This is a disappointment; two tractor beams was actually a bit of a selling point for me. I can rage on this forum, but that seems rather pointless. Cancelling my order means I end up with nothing at all. Maybe a mail to FFG customer service will help.
I don't disagree that this is sh*tty on FFG's part, though my guess is it was a miscommunication or mistake that they didn't want to delay the wave 4 months to fix.

But fulfill my curiosity here. What possible list could anyone be building for competitive play that uses not one, but TWO tractor beam cards, especially if they AREN'T buying IV - the pack that actually makes them worth considering? I'll happily jump on the outrage train if anyone can make a case better than "it might be occasionally useful if you can spare the points".

I can't currently spew out a list that uses two tractor beams. My gut feeling tells me I'll want more than one. I often play multiple B-Wings, and feel that it is important to spread my opponent's target priority. That is more difficult with one Tractor Beam. And I don't use the cannon slot that much, while there are often occasions where I think a list has more than one point to spare. But regardless of what I want to do with them, I assumed I was buying two, so this is unexpected.

But I see this issue is already becoming a debate about 'who should feel what and how do others feel about that and how justified are they in having those feelings and what side is saying nasty things blablabla' so I think there is no point in arguing about this on the forum.

Things changed in development. Not the first time a preview image has been wrong about card contents. The decision to include a second copy of Baffle over tractor beam makes sense since Imperial Veterans is hitting stores in a couple months. It'd be nice if FFG had a way to warn us about this, but how would they do that?

Quoted for truth.

Things change in development... should have they updated the article? Probably, but there is a real cost to air-mail over the product from China, book a photographer and equipment, run things through photo software and post an update.

Tempest in a teapot. Buy another ship jeez big deal. Slightly annoying but that's it.

I wasn't counting on buying more and I don't plan to buy IV. This is a disappointment; two tractor beams was actually a bit of a selling point for me. I can rage on this forum, but that seems rather pointless. Cancelling my order means I end up with nothing at all. Maybe a mail to FFG customer service will help.
I don't disagree that this is sh*tty on FFG's part, though my guess is it was a miscommunication or mistake that they didn't want to delay the wave 4 months to fix.But fulfill my curiosity here. What possible list could anyone be building for competitive play that uses not one, but TWO tractor beam cards, especially if they AREN'T buying IV - the pack that actually makes them worth considering?

I was honestly planning on flying this list at the next SC. Gold Squadron Pilot (18)Twin Laser Turret (6)R3-A2 (2)BTL-A4 Y-Wing (0) Blue Squadron Pilot (22)Tractor Beam (1)Tactician (2)B-Wing/E2 (1) Blue Squadron Pilot (22)Tractor Beam (1)Tactician (2)B-Wing/E2 (1) Rookie Pilot (21)R2 Astromech (1)Integrated Astromech (0) Total: 100 View in Yet Another Squad Builder Maybe not top tier but would be fun (for me). I am not flying off the handle here but I am a little grumpy about this. I did want exactly two TB and happily have one of each ship from wave 8 waiting at my FLGS for me to pick up today. Now I can't run the list that I had planned out unless I order a second Mist Hunter. Who knows, maybe Baffle is the better card and I'll be happy about it in the long run.

Biggs Darklighter - 25

Dagger Squadron - 24

Tractor Beam - 1

Dagger Squadron - 24

Tractor Beam - 1

Gold Squadron -18

Twin Laser Turret - 6

R2 Astromech - 1

Just a little Biggs walks the Dogs variant I'm keen to try out.

Question: Based on the ships itself since we are not getting two tractor beams is there any reason to buy two Mist Hunters?

4 generics with tactician isn't terrible.

Xizor (vi, virago, fcs, thrusters)

Freelancer (dengar)

Freelancer (FCS)

Pirate

anyway, this is kinda bull. I love FFG and all, but baffle is a complete piece of **** and T-beam might be useful enough to warrant multiple copies for the upcoming Tie/D. Ultimately, I doubt it will matter that much ito our collections, but it is quite an advertising error

Edited by ficklegreendice

All you complainers do realise that this info was released just prior to the 17th of March.

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/products/x-wing/products/mist-hunter-expansion-pack

It only mentions "A tractor beam" not "tractor beams" in the product description.

So it's not false or misleading advertising, just a change that happened along the way between preview and final release.

Yes it's disappointing but you'll all just have get over it and enjoy what you have.

As another X-wing player who pre-ordered, I'm annoyed and a little angry that FFG decided to include only one Tractor Beam card AFTER promoting this expansion with two cards.

This doesn't ruin my personal list building plans, and it's not like I can't buy more expansions if I need more cards ... but now I'm left feeling like I can't trust what FFG tells us about upcoming releases.

I guess the lesson here is that we shouldn't pre-order expansions anymore and we should wait until multiple reviews and unboxings have been published before we buy X-wing expansions.

Even if I can't trust FFG's own marketing, I love this game and I enjoy playing X-wing every week with my friends (and meeting new friends across the table). FFG makes this amazing game possible and I'm very glad FFG continues supporting this game ... I'm just sad I can't trust what FFG tells (and shows) me about the products they sell.

Fly casual.

All you complainers do realise that this info was released just prior to the 17th of March.

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/products/x-wing/products/mist-hunter-expansion-pack

It only mentions "A tractor beam" not "tractor beams" in the product description.

So it's not false or misleading advertising, just a change that happened along the way between preview and final release.

Yes it's disappointing but you'll all just have get over it and enjoy what you have.

At the very least they should have updated the preview article, which only came out two months ago. Either with a new spread showing 1 TB or with a caption under it noting that it only comes with 1 TB upgrade and 2 electronic waffles.

They had to have know about what the pack includes for a while now. Ample time to give everyone a heads up.

Edited by Jo Jo

...I'm left feeling like I can't trust what FFG tells us about upcoming releases.

Unfortunately--very unfortunately--this isn't new. The people writing the preview articles clearly aren't involved with the product's development or testing, and may not even be X-wing players. They've been known to use out-of-date images and information for the previews, as well as including information that's simply wrong (like the first version of the infamous SLAM and Bomb article).

I think talking about it as "false advertising" or a "broken contract" is just drama for its own sake. But people rely on the information in the previews to inform their purchases, so when the previews contain inaccurate or misleading information, those people get frustrated and FFG's brand is damaged. I do think it's worth writing an email to FFG's customer service address and pointing all of that out.

Things changed in development. Not the first time a preview image has been wrong about card contents. The decision to include a second copy of Baffle over tractor beam makes sense since Imperial Veterans is hitting stores in a couple months. It'd be nice if FFG had a way to warn us about this, but how would they do that?

Quoted for truth.

Things change in development... should have they updated the article? Probably, but there is a real cost to air-mail over the product from China, book a photographer and equipment, run things through photo software and post an update.

None of the preview pictures in the articles are depicting real objects. They are all computer generated images. The ship miniature and blister, the card fan, the tokens, etc, are all rendered in a computer screen. So no airmailing from China or photographer needed.

The only pictures that are of real, existing objects are those animated ones showing a ship's miniature spinning.

This thread is dumb.

Reminds me of college when I was working at a Game Stop. We had signs in the window advertising we sold the new Nintendo Wii but had been regularly sold out immediately after each new shipment. At least once a day some self righteous whack job would stomp in and start complaining that it was false advertising or bait and switch for us to have those posters in the windows.

At the end of the day, not having two beams in the pack is a minor disappointment. It doesn't break any trust with FFG or the marketing team because it's only cardboard and plastic, and you know - there are more important things going on in the world than a toy hobby. Yep it sucks that it got changed and it means I have to rethink some lists I've been theory crafting or I'll have to proxy or re-jig.

Alternatively, I can budget for another G1-A, or wait for Imp Vets to come out. Problem solved. Neither prospect is unreasonable for any hobby and complaining about it only sours one's experience. Carrying toxicity and venom over a game seems a bit extreme in my opinion.

Perspective sounds like something we could all to work on.