So. Both of these ships make their debut in Rebels and the TAP is one of the two tie varieties that we actually see dock on the cruiser. Do you think an errata is forthcoming to allow the rules to reflect that?

I doubt it. They knew wave 8 was coming when they printed the Gozanti, so they would have accounted for it ahead of time instead of retroactively changing how it was worded.

I doubt it. They knew wave 8 was coming when they printed the Gozanti, so they would have accounted for it ahead of time instead of retroactively changing how it was worded.

Cards and upgrades can only reference existing content

All i know for sure, is if they can dock, they can use the x1 title and ATC that vader loves so much, as both state tie advanced

This sounds like a job for house rules.

This sounds like a job for house rules.

What surprises me is that they didn't have a title that allows you to mix up the squad composition.

You know, like in the show.

I doubt it. They knew wave 8 was coming when they printed the Gozanti, so they would have accounted for it ahead of time instead of retroactively changing how it was worded.

Cards and upgrades can only reference existing content

But the arrival of Wave 8 was severely delayed, at the time of the Gozanti's release, wasn't wave 8 supposed to have been here already?

I doubt it. They knew wave 8 was coming when they printed the Gozanti, so they would have accounted for it ahead of time instead of retroactively changing how it was worded.

Cards and upgrades can only reference existing content

But the arrival of Wave _ was severely delayed, at the time of the ________ release, wasn't wave _ supposed to have been here already?

Fixed it for you and also future proofed it.

This sounds like a job for house rules.

I've never played an "official" Epic game. Our group picks a point value, build fleets, and have fun. We ask if we can bend rules, and the answer is always yes. The TAP (regardless of FFG's rules) will be riding on the Gozanti in my house.

This sounds like a job for house rules.

I've never played an "official" Epic game. Our group picks a point value, build fleets, and have fun. We ask if we can bend rules, and the answer is always yes. The TAP (regardless of FFG's rules) will be riding on the Gozanti in my house.

I doubt it. They knew wave 8 was coming when they printed the Gozanti, so they would have accounted for it ahead of time instead of retroactively changing how it was worded.

Cards and upgrades can only reference existing content

But the arrival of Wave 8 was severely delayed, at the time of the Gozanti's release, wasn't wave 8 supposed to have been here already?

Actually no. At GenCon, Christian Peterson was confident that the Gozanti would drop before the holidays, but what he said about Wave 8 was that they would try to get it out before but most likely would be Q1.

So. Both of these ships make their debut in Rebels and the TAP is one of the two tie varieties that we actually see dock on the cruiser. Do you think an errata is forthcoming to allow the rules to reflect that?

I thought that the Gozanti is in both Star Wars Phantom Menace and several the Clone Wars episodes long before Rebels.

So. Both of these ships make their debut in Rebels and the TAP is one of the two tie varieties that we actually see dock on the cruiser. Do you think an errata is forthcoming to allow the rules to reflect that?

I thought that the Gozanti is in both Star Wars Phantom Menace and several the Clone Wars episodes long before Rebels.

I don't recall if it's in clone wars, but it does make a brief banding appearance in Episode. It is not, however the specific carrier configuration from Rebels, it is a personal craft of an unseen character.

Why would the TAP V1 want to ride on the Gozanti? I thought the whole point of the Gozanti was to be able to have a smaller transport vehicle for Tie Fighters that don't have jump drives? The V1 does have jump drives, so doesn't need to dock with the Gozanti. Of course, I bet it could if it wanted to dock, though.

I think they are talking about game rules and mechanics, not fluff / lore. besides, even the inquisitor has to drain the dragon sometimes.

So. Both of these ships make their debut in Rebels and the TAP is one of the two tie varieties that we actually see dock on the cruiser. Do you think an errata is forthcoming to allow the rules to reflect that?

I thought that the Gozanti is in both Star Wars Phantom Menace and several the Clone Wars episodes long before Rebels.

I don't recall if it's in clone wars, but it does make a brief banding appearance in Episode. It is not, however the specific carrier configuration from Rebels, it is a personal craft of an unseen character.

After rewatchin a bit of the Clone Wars show, there are Gozantis everywhere In every episode I watched there would be at least one, if not more. mostly Black sun ones.

Why would the TAP V1 want to ride on the Gozanti? I thought the whole point of the Gozanti was to be able to have a smaller transport vehicle for Tie Fighters that don't have jump drives? The V1 does have jump drives, so doesn't need to dock with the Gozanti. Of course, I bet it could if it wanted to dock, though.

Design may have been worried about the potential alpha strike from 4 proton missile, PTL, GC ships deploying straight into range 1 after most other ships have moved.

You could do something similar with Tempests, but they lack the near-guaranteed 5 hits from each proton, and are inferior knife fighters once in close.

Or continual errata with each wave.

What surprises me is that they didn't have a title that allows you to mix up the squad composition.

You know, like in the show.

I've had this conversation with a friend before, after he wondered why they restricted it. My argument was simply this: Fel, Vader, OL, Vessery, all on a single Gozanti, shuttled unharmed behind enemy lines, and released outside everyone's arc. Four /fo fighters or Advanced, you could deal with. Four defenders would be a rare sight, but only two aces to really worry about. Four Interceptors could be scary, but most should fall quickly to concentrated fire.

Those particular four aces, however... Good luck. Not even just those four, but the incredible potential to run an incredibly powerful mixed ace list to the soft spot of a fleet is probably too unbalanced to have made it out of play testing. Heck, even three defenders with Jonus would be arguably too much.

Design may have been worried about the potential alpha strike from 4 proton missile, PTL, GC ships deploying straight into range 1 after most other ships have moved.

The effectiveness after the shot is, though. Once Bombers shoot their load - so to speak - they're not as threatening as 4 TAPs doing the same thing. That said, the Bombers would almost undoubtedly have at least EM on board, if not more ordnance too, so maybe it balances, but I can still see 4 TAPs with EPTs being scary after the missile shot.

Why would the TAP V1 want to ride on the Gozanti? I thought the whole point of the Gozanti was to be able to have a smaller transport vehicle for Tie Fighters that don't have jump drives? The V1 does have jump drives, so doesn't need to dock with the Gozanti. Of course, I bet it could if it wanted to dock, though.

It doesn't.

The reason the TAP can't dock with the Gozanti is to prevent it from taking the TIE/x1 title. The Gozanti is probably phrased such as to allow the TAP to dock with it, but the merry TIE/x1 problem means until they get some FAQ/errata to stop the TAP getting a free system or 1 point ATC those clamps will be closed to it.

Why would the TAP V1 want to ride on the Gozanti? I thought the whole point of the Gozanti was to be able to have a smaller transport vehicle for Tie Fighters that don't have jump drives? The V1 does have jump drives, so doesn't need to dock with the Gozanti. Of course, I bet it could if it wanted to dock, though.

It doesn't.

The reason the TAP can't dock with the Gozanti is to prevent it from taking the TIE/x1 title. The Gozanti is probably phrased such as to allow the TAP to dock with it, but the merry TIE/x1 problem means until they get some FAQ/errata to stop the TAP getting a free system or 1 point ATC those clamps will be closed to it.

The TIE Advanced Prototype doesn't have hyperdrive capability? In the episode where they were taking the children I thought they did. Otherwise why did the leave the children in their fighters rather then their support craft.

You can drop 4 Homing Missile GC Bombers, not much difference IMHO.

There are some significant tactical differences.

Homing Missiles work at R2-3, so the ideal scenario is probably going to be a long-range deployment into the edge of R3, taking a target lock and launching--in the hope that you make R2 next turn and can launch again. You don't want to deploy any closer, because next turn you could easily find yourself in R1 of your targets, and you're not a dogfighter. The Gozanti deployment here also allows you to sneak in target locks on higher-PS ships that you might otherwise have missed, which is a definite plus.

Protons only work at R1, so shielding their carriers and delivering them into R1 has unique benefits. (Homing missile bombers could always skulk at range and get their locks the old-fashioned way.) Their alpha strike is going to be higher than the HMs, which may or may not make a difference... but every little counts. It also means you've delivered 4 highly manoeuvrable knife fighters into the heart of an enemy formation, and you've shielded their flank and/or rear with a huge ship. Combined with an alpha strike of that magnitude, it's going to be pretty hard to repel that attack.

So, while there isn't a huge difference in terms of raw damage numbers, the tactical situations are very different, imo.

the rules preventing the TAPs from taking Tie/x1 deal specifically with ship-type restricted upgrade cards (must contain the entirety of the specified ship-type)

Docking Clamps is Gonzati Only, but the text portion that allows docking of Tie Fighters/Advance/Bombers/Interceptors etc. is not technically governed by the same rules

it probably will be, for consistency's sake and to allow FOs, in which case the TAPs is not a Tie Advance for game purposes