Alpha squadron is a blocker. Like A-wing.

Except it costs 1 - 3 points more and is even squishier.

It also happens to be a blocker in a faction that already possesses another blocker that is 6 points cheaper without being any less durable. Alpha therefore has no purpose in life.

It's exactly 1 point more costly than the best blocker ever aka A-wing with refit.

And blocks even better due to BR.

It can block better than TIE\Ln

or they explicitly DON'T WANT IT and like the "ton of exact clones of Uniques" meta

They were weary of it before release after seeing it appear so heavily they'll tone it down either by increasing the cost or something else clever.

Of course this will happen before empire gets a ship that could mount it because we can't have nice things

I doubt it. FFGs development cycles are quite long, and I expect this forum to be loaded with Defender whines long before anything is decided about TLTs.

IIRC, MJ posted in some other thread that Defenders with new titles have extremely high efficiency. If Defenders end up murdering TLTs(and all other jousters in the process), it's likely TLT hate will turn into Defender hate.

And thus will the forums theory/jousting discussion cycle continue: the latest cool thing to come out will be b****ed about endlessly, the sky will always be falling, and some recently announced thing will always be on the way to fix it, only to become hated in turn. Meanwhile, on actual kitchen and tournament tables, people will be having fun, making pew pew noises and having a blast.

A few days ago I saw a match in youtube, fully loaded Soontir and 5 skill 3 ties, vs the infamous 4 Ywings with TLT, total 100 points. They totally crushed the Y-wings.

A few days ago I saw a match in youtube, fully loaded Soontir and 5 skill 3 ties, vs the infamous 4 Ywings with TLT, total 100 points. They totally crushed the Y-wings.

That kind of sums up the adventures of TLT in my meta too. Right after wave 7 a very new player managed to place well (upper half IIRC) with quad TLT at a tournament. Then other more experienced 0layers gave it a few tries, ended up crushed by Imperial Aces, and that was the end of Quad TLT around here. You seldom see more than 1, and it's usually Miranda.

Played at a 125 point event yesterday with my Drunken Albatross list (Miranda/TLT/Tactican/Seismic; Warden/Bombardier/Conner/Prox/EM/ASLAM; TLT Stresshog; 2 Bandits). Played vs 5 Scum TLT (2 BTL-A4, 3 normal).

Despite losing my Warden bomb truck in the opening exchange (due to my poor positioning), I went on to, mainly with Miranda at R1, kill 4 of his Thugs.

Proper flying can and will mean that regardless of how low your AGL is, you'll live through massed TLT.

The truly amazing thing is that in the last game I played against talonbiggs cobra and two M3A interceptors.

Alpha squadron is a blocker. Like A-wing.

Except it costs 1 - 3 points more and is even squishier.

It also happens to be a blocker in a faction that already possesses another blocker that is 6 points cheaper without being any less durable. Alpha therefore has no purpose in life.

It's exactly 1 point more costly than the best blocker ever aka A-wing with refit.

And blocks even better due to BR.

It can block better than TIE\Ln

Alpha costs 18 points, not 16.

My complaint is that my LFGS has had the same guy win the monthly tournament with variations of K-wing lists since last October. He just played Majorjugglers "maximum danger" list this last weekend and no one came even close to beating him. I don't mind Y-wings with TLT but K-wings with TLT are way over powered. The problem is if you get into range one they still have a 3 dice primary attack. The player can move anywhere and he will have shots with TLT or a range one bonus primary attack every turn. No other ship can do that. He had Tactician on each K-wing. With the stress hog he stressed every one of my ships. I was in the "TLT's are fine" camp but no longer.

My complaint is that my LFGS has had the same guy win the monthly tournament with variations of K-wing lists since last October. He just played Majorjugglers "maximum danger" list this last weekend and no one came even close to beating him. I don't mind Y-wings with TLT but K-wings with TLT are way over powered. The problem is if you get into range one they still have a 3 dice primary attack. The player can move anywhere and he will have shots with TLT or a range one bonus primary attack every turn. No other ship can do that. He had Tactician on each K-wing. With the stress hog he stressed every one of my ships. I was in the "TLT's are fine" camp but no longer.

Again, the reason why lists based around putting stress on things are so powerful is because you're almost forced to run Acewing ships to have a chance against other Acewing lists and TLT. The only way to deal with Acewings easily is to put stress on them or out PS them. Acewings also ignore the dial portion of the game by just boosting everywhere, so its become necessary to just have a turret.

If I didn't have to deal with Palp Aces, I could just plop down some higher PS jousters and have a decent chance against that list. But when my opponent's Soontir dodges 3-4 range 2-3 3/3 hit attacks with all of his tokens and palp, I kind of can't play jousters anymore. :/

I've had predictable results with TLTs.

Completely smashed soontir, carnor, turr. But against brobots/sensor jammers/wingman was creamed.

This said, literally only one of my two TLTs was in turret form, the other was A4...

I've had predictable results with TLTs.

Completely smashed soontir, carnor, turr. But against brobots/sensor jammers/wingman was creamed.

This said, literally only one of my two TLTs was in turret form, the other was A4...

May I ask how the Brobots beat your TLT's? Did they have a strategy that worked well? I'm a new player to Brobots and I haven't "creamed" anyone with TLT's.

Of course. They are virtually stress proof due to greens and wingman, and they used sensor jammer. Most TLT shots are unmodified so... could barely tattoo it.

They ripped biggs to pieces with their cannons on contact.

I've had predictable results with TLTs.

Completely smashed soontir, carnor, turr. But against brobots/sensor jammers/wingman was creamed.

This said, literally only one of my two TLTs was in turret form, the other was A4...

May I ask how the Brobots beat your TLT's? Did they have a strategy that worked well? I'm a new player to Brobots and I haven't "creamed" anyone with TLT's.

My favourite IG-4000 list goes as

Autothrusters

Predator

mangler

adv sensor

ready your 3-dice crit-creamer guns! xD

actually anything with 3 dice and AT will most likely cream YYYY

I don't have an opinion on whether or not TLT are overpowered, but I joined X wing at the height of the "Phantom Menace" and there is a disturbing similarity to the threads about the Phantom. They go something like this:

Poster 1: X is OP.

Poster 2: No it's not X movement is very predictable/ falls to focused fire. I beat it all the time. You need to fly better.

Repeat.

I trust MJ's math that claim that it is the most efficient jouster, but jousting efficiency isn't everything. Just look at the Falcon to see an example of an inefficient jouster that is still competitive (or was pre-TLT).

If the TLT is OP, I wonder if the simplest solution is to grant an extra green die against all weapons not just primaries. That's a slight nerf that also affects super Dash, Brobots and other cannon carriers but it never made sense to me that you only got an extra die against primaries.

if you can't spot the very blatantly obvious differences between a phantom's movement and a TLT Y's movement, then there's not much hope I'm afraid

see, these Phantom similarities ultimately boil down to one thing: everything's been accused of being op at least once; everything's been complained about at one point or another. Welcome to the internet

everything from Tie Fighters, to the phantom, to fat ships (both large base and small) including most recently soontir and corran from wave 6, both of which have quietly slipped into the background despite not having been touched by ffg

now, it is said that a broken clock is still right twice a day, but I doubt enough time has passed between the phantom and w.e new hell FFG unleashes upon us

I've had predictable results with TLTs.

Completely smashed soontir, carnor, turr. But against brobots/sensor jammers/wingman was creamed.

This said, literally only one of my two TLTs was in turret form, the other was A4...

May I ask how the Brobots beat your TLT's? Did they have a strategy that worked well? I'm a new player to Brobots and I haven't "creamed" anyone with TLT's.

3 Y wings vs. 2 Brobots is an exchange that mathematically favors the bots.