The accuser should have been thrown out of the tournament immediately.

No someone should never be penalized for bringing something to the TO's attention, unless it's being done for nefarious reasons. Which is going to be fairly hard to prove unless it becomes a pattern of behavior.When we punish someone for making an accusation, the cheaters win, because then people will be afraid to say anything.

People cheat by bumping and change dials. I imagine slight of hand switching dials is easy given my own skills at slight of hand. That stuff should be mentioned. But loaded dice ...lets come down to earth.

No one is cheating with loaded dice (see all my past reasons) unless they are using slight of hand because "real" loaded X-wing dice don't exist. Myth....urban legend.

Might be some molding and melting issues etc that change the probability by 5-10% but anything more would make the dice look funny as all get out. all this thread has done is put it into people's heads the they can be poor sports and play mind games. Guarantee someone reading this thread is going to accuse someone of loaded dice in a future tournament just to rattle someone. That is all this has created....suspicion, excuses for losing, and a new way to play mind tricks on your opponent.

Man I am glad I play casual in a closed group of friends. I can't imagine dealing with some of this stuff at a game store. Yuck.

I stick to the grown man gameroom with beer and fun without the drama.

If they overheard some random stranger mention someones dice being "hot", would they have acted the same?

From what I understand of the story, it wasn't a local who made the accusation, but that person did in fact draw the TO's attention to something and didn't just mention it passing. But here you go again casting aspersions at the TO's judgement and accusing them of doing the same things you were accused of doing yourself.

I think the overwhelming responses in this thread support this solution and the fact that nothing should have been done.

Then either you're reading into things or reading a different thread completely.

Wow xwingevents post says it all. I'll stay home and fly casual in my own gameroom with three 4x6 tables just for armada and X-wing usually (which is the smallest offering in the room) while you guys track down audio of a room to prove this or that ....lol

But the reported concern could have been handled differently. As mentioned, a casual observation perhaps should have been the first step. TOs should see for themselves. Then address the issue, if necessary. Just because someone makes an accusation doesn't make it true. Or not true. But someone should never be judged without supporting evidence.

A casual observation was the first step. The TO was shown a set of dice rolled multiple times that came up all paint each time. If they had come up with more normal looking rolls it could easily be dismissed. At this point a concern was officially raised to the TO. She observed an anomaly in a handful of rolls. We know there is no easy way proven to load dice mechanically and invisibly except for face changes (which would be really obvious in this case). The rolls witnessed by the judge do not prove tampering but unfortunately they also can not disprove it like some blanks coming up would. How would you feel as a player if you felt you concern about a set of dice and voiced it to a TO, rolled the dice several times and had all paint show in front of the TO, and was told by the TO "sorry can't do anything as we can't prove anything".

If that player then came here and laid out what they had happen, we would then be here instead discussing why the TOs screwed up and didn't force a dice share/swap/etc. Until FFG lays out there official standard for handling these situations it will remain a no win situation for the TOs. Someone will always walk away upset about either direction taken.

Except the player (owner of suspected dice) was not present during "these rolls" made by the TO. The "concern" was also not raised by the played who was in the match. That player posted that he did not initiate the question, a third party watching did. How do you accept a comment/complaint from a non-participant and then feel compelled to act outside the presence of the person being "accused" and use their equipment without a request?

These are the core fundamental concerns I raised and are simply being overlooked. You said no one actually complained, it was comments made that the dice were hot. However, when we spoke at the event you told us that 3 people complained and that is why you had to act.

Contradictory statements. One while we were in person and now one here, greatly different.

I would like to clear some things up being brought up to somehow bring my character into question. I HAVE made comments regarding the ability of the TOs to advocate over an event like this and even less so at a Regional event, but their response to a situation like this is directly attributable to their ability to handle those situations. They are ultimately responsible and they must also be able to take the direct comments regarding their handling of the event, for better or for worse.

1) I made some tongue in cheek comments about "doing damage" at this event in a previous thread to a person who going to attend. It was a simple machismo chest bump and had little meaning and certainly no ill will to anyone. Apparently people take things real seriously in the internet world of Facebook. Sorry.

2) I "complained" about them ding 75 minute rounds. Actually, I "suggested" they run 60 minute rounds, because at the time I was unaware that FFG was mandating 75 minute rounds. I conceded once I learned of this policy.

3) I had some vendetta against Get Your Fun On. Totally false. Marc, the owner, was very quick to accommodate me with a table to record matches on. Both TOs were very friendly the entire event. Everyone I encountered that day was very friendly and it seems like a great place to play at.

4) I "yelled at the TOs" following the conclusion of the event. This is not true either and I am hoping Marc has audio in the room with his security cams to disprove this. The room is a large concrete room, so perhaps my voice traveled (I have a solid speaking voice as I do public speaking) but I NEVER directed yelling or anger to the TOs. I have a wife and would never disrespect a woman, but I did explain myself directly and bluntly.

As I was breaking down my camera gear, a TO came and asked how it went. I made a sarcastic comment about "Well, I guess my friend was using loaded dice, right?" and she took that as an insult apparently. I continued by telling her I would be reporting the event to FFG OP and that is when she said "Oh really?" and screamed (very loudly) across the hall to the other TO to come over. I was not engaging at all. I bluntly told her I was reporting and she engaged. She called over the extra person to keep it going.

Once the 2 TOs were present, they asked what they did wrong and why I was upset. This is when the conversation got direct as I pointed out that my friend was the only person singled out all day because comments were made by her husband and fiancee and a local player. The store owner acknowledges in his own rendition of the events that NO ONE complained. They were simply comments made about "hot dice" and it was not until a third party, no longer in the event made the comment of "you should check out these dice" was the issue ever even questioned.

However, we were told explicitly, THREE PEOPLE COMPLAINED about his dice and that is why they HAD TO ACT. Within a couple minutes Marc (store owner) came over and now the three of them were engaging me in the same conversation. Maybe my voice raised to over speak the 3 talking, I don't know, maybe my voice naturally raised. It was not out of disrespect.

I will openly apologize the the TOs and their husbands if they feel I yelled at them, but I was making a point and I had 3 people to talk over to do it.

Of course there are multiple stories to be heard here. The TOs rendition, the players, mine, but the arc remains the same.

A few people commented and the TOs decided they HAD TO ACT. I think this is the overall failure of this situation as no action was directly warranted. Considering the circumstance of not being able to directly make a decision based on fact (whether the dice were loaded or not) there was nothing to be gained by addressing my friend and certainly the only thing which could be construed is that he was being accused of cheating.

The only fair solution was to do nothing or simply bring a set of dice to the table and say, we would like both people involved to use this set of dice for this match. I think the overwhelming responses in this thread support this solution and the fact that nothing should have been done.

The only real supporters to the situation have been the husband and fiancee of the TOs involved. Even the store owner has not explicitly supported the outcome. So remove all of the character assassination and personal emotion from it, you are left with a crappy ending to a nice event.

I still do not think the TOs were objective enough nor prepared to handle this situation. They let the influence of the people they know affect their judgement in how to handle the situation.

If they overheard some random stranger mention someones dice being "hot", would they have acted the same?

Let me weigh in here.

You made a snide, passive aggressive comment to me. I calmly explained we accused no one of cheating. Once you clearly would -not- drop it, I called over the other TO, the one who made the ultimate decision and observation. I did not "scream". I spoke loud enough to get her attention and express urgency. And I mention earlier in the thread I was a bit bristled. The way you spoke to me rubbed me the wrong way. It was straight up disrespectful, and I believe whole heartedly if I was a man you would've spoken to me differently. You can claim otherwise, but that's my side of it.

Secondly, my fiancé did not play OP. He did not make a complaint. He did however, play you in the first round. I'm sure you remember him, now.

It has been clear from the beginning you are not fond of us, our store, or the way we have handled things. And that is 100% in your right. But, and I am not speaking on behalf of the store here, I do NOT appreciate the way you spoke to me Saturday night. And neither did my fiancé, who had to sit by a listen to a man yell at his fiancé. Imagine how you would feel, watching that happen to your wife, but knowing you couldn't intervene or else be accused of "collusion".

How do you accept a comment/complaint from a non-participant and then feel compelled to act outside the presence of the person being "accused" and use their equipment without a request?

As a TO you got to take every complaint or accusation at least seriously enough to look into it. In fact it is quite often 3rd parties who are best able to see something fishy because they can watch both players and not focus on what to set their dials to.

Contradictory statements. One while we were in person and now one here, greatly different.

Or perhaps just simple miscommunication in the heat of the moment. Frankly the more you post here the more you show a passive agressive need to attack the people running this event.

You again seem to give yourself every benefit of the doubt, but none to the TO's who were doing all the work here.

You weren't yelling, but they were screaming... You'd never disrespect a women, but they clearly felt disrespected by you, ect...

The accuser should have been thrown out of the tournament immediately.

No someone should never be penalized for bringing something to the TO's attention, unless it's being done for nefarious reasons. Which is going to be fairly hard to prove unless it becomes a pattern of behavior.When we punish someone for making an accusation, the cheaters win, because then people will be afraid to say anything.

Someone should be penalized for tampering with another players stuff though. So I do agree that the accusing player should have be admonished on the spot or asked to leave, not for leveling an accusation but for taking it upon themselves to "investigate". The biggest issue to me was that didn't happen. Not only didn't that happen but even in the venue owners description of the event the TO allowed that player to continue to mess with another players belongings, and even did so themselves along with that player. By not squashing it there the TO is validating that persons actions. If the intention was not not make a spectacle of it, that's not going to happen when you've got a player (that shouldnt be involved at this point) and a TO publicly examining a players dice.

Additionally just because there are two opposing groups in a situation, it doesn't mean that both have an equal claim to being satisfied by the resolution of it.

How do you accept a comment/complaint from a non-participant and then feel compelled to act outside the presence of the person being "accused" and use their equipment without a request?

As a TO you got to take every complaint or accusation at least seriously enough to look into it. In fact it is quite often 3rd parties who are best able to see something fishy because they can watch both players and not focus on what to set their dials to.

Contradictory statements. One while we were in person and now one here, greatly different.

Or perhaps just simple miscommunication in the heat of the moment. Frankly the more you post here the more you show a passive agressive need to attack the people running this event.

You again seem to give yourself every benefit of the doubt, but none to the TO's who were doing all the work here.

You weren't yelling, but they were screaming... You'd never disrespect a women, but they clearly felt disrespected by you, ect...

I can admit that my voice may have been loud. I had been speaking over the crowd for 12 hours by that point.

Someone should be penalized for tampering with another players stuff though.

I agree. But in defense of the TO's here, and admittedly not knowing everything. It sounds like by the time a lot of this started to come to a head it escalated rather quickly and the person who made the accusation wasn't even around any longer.

Someone should be penalized for tampering with another players stuff though.

I agree. But in defense of the TO's here, and admittedly not knowing everything. It sounds like by the time a lot of this started to come to a head it escalated rather quickly and the person who made the accusation wasn't even around any longer.

Correct. He made the accusation after he lost his Top 8 match and was eliminated. He then left the store.

I would like to clear some things up being brought up to somehow bring my character into question. I HAVE made comments regarding the ability of the TOs to advocate over an event like this and even less so at a Regional event, but their response to a situation like this is directly attributable to their ability to handle those situations. They are ultimately responsible and they must also be able to take the direct comments regarding their handling of the event, for better or for worse.

1) I made some tongue in cheek comments about "doing damage" at this event in a previous thread to a person who going to attend. It was a simple machismo chest bump and had little meaning and certainly no ill will to anyone. Apparently people take things real seriously in the internet world of Facebook. Sorry.

2) I "complained" about them ding 75 minute rounds. Actually, I "suggested" they run 60 minute rounds, because at the time I was unaware that FFG was mandating 75 minute rounds. I conceded once I learned of this policy.

3) I had some vendetta against Get Your Fun On. Totally false. Marc, the owner, was very quick to accommodate me with a table to record matches on. Both TOs were very friendly the entire event. Everyone I encountered that day was very friendly and it seems like a great place to play at.

4) I "yelled at the TOs" following the conclusion of the event. This is not true either and I am hoping Marc has audio in the room with his security cams to disprove this. The room is a large concrete room, so perhaps my voice traveled (I have a solid speaking voice as I do public speaking) but I NEVER directed yelling or anger to the TOs. I have a wife and would never disrespect a woman, but I did explain myself directly and bluntly.

As I was breaking down my camera gear, a TO came and asked how it went. I made a sarcastic comment about "Well, I guess my friend was using loaded dice, right?" and she took that as an insult apparently. I continued by telling her I would be reporting the event to FFG OP and that is when she said "Oh really?" and screamed (very loudly) across the hall to the other TO to come over. I was not engaging at all. I bluntly told her I was reporting and she engaged. She called over the extra person to keep it going.

Once the 2 TOs were present, they asked what they did wrong and why I was upset. This is when the conversation got direct as I pointed out that my friend was the only person singled out all day because comments were made by her husband and fiancee and a local player. The store owner acknowledges in his own rendition of the events that NO ONE complained. They were simply comments made about "hot dice" and it was not until a third party, no longer in the event made the comment of "you should check out these dice" was the issue ever even questioned.

However, we were told explicitly, THREE PEOPLE COMPLAINED about his dice and that is why they HAD TO ACT. Within a couple minutes Marc (store owner) came over and now the three of them were engaging me in the same conversation. Maybe my voice raised to over speak the 3 talking, I don't know, maybe my voice naturally raised. It was not out of disrespect.

I will openly apologize the the TOs and their husbands if they feel I yelled at them, but I was making a point and I had 3 people to talk over to do it.

Of course there are multiple stories to be heard here. The TOs rendition, the players, mine, but the arc remains the same.

A few people commented and the TOs decided they HAD TO ACT. I think this is the overall failure of this situation as no action was directly warranted. Considering the circumstance of not being able to directly make a decision based on fact (whether the dice were loaded or not) there was nothing to be gained by addressing my friend and certainly the only thing which could be construed is that he was being accused of cheating.

The only fair solution was to do nothing or simply bring a set of dice to the table and say, we would like both people involved to use this set of dice for this match. I think the overwhelming responses in this thread support this solution and the fact that nothing should have been done.

The only real supporters to the situation have been the husband and fiancee of the TOs involved. Even the store owner has not explicitly supported the outcome. So remove all of the character assassination and personal emotion from it, you are left with a crappy ending to a nice event.

I still do not think the TOs were objective enough nor prepared to handle this situation. They let the influence of the people they know affect their judgement in how to handle the situation.

If they overheard some random stranger mention someones dice being "hot", would they have acted the same?

Let me weigh in here.

You made a snide, passive aggressive comment to me. I calmly explained we accused no one of cheating. Once you clearly would -not- drop it, I called over the other TO, the one who made the ultimate decision and observation. I did not "scream". I spoke loud enough to get her attention and express urgency. And I mention earlier in the thread I was a bit bristled. The way you spoke to me rubbed me the wrong way. It was straight up disrespectful, and I believe whole heartedly if I was a man you would've spoken to me differently. You can claim otherwise, but that's my side of it.

Secondly, my fiancé did not play OP. He did not make a complaint. He did however, play you in the first round. I'm sure you remember him, now.

It has been clear from the beginning you are not fond of us, our store, or the way we have handled things. And that is 100% in your right. But, and I am not speaking on behalf of the store here, I do NOT appreciate the way you spoke to me Saturday night. And neither did my fiancé, who had to sit by a listen to a man yell at his fiancé. Imagine how you would feel, watching that happen to your wife, but knowing you couldn't intervene or else be accused of "collusion".

As I said in my previous comment, I did not yell at you. I hardly looked at you as I broke down my camera gear. I certainly was not using my library voice, but hardly was yelling nor attacking you. I was very blunt with you and would have said the same thing to a man. You can play the "woman" card, but I spoke to you as the person responsible for singling out my friend and what I consider a poor solution to the situation.

I know who your fiance is, he was a nice guy. I don't care who wins or loses in this game. We came to see the local meta and if we even wanted to come up for Regionals as a group.

If you took what I said as "yelling", I apologize. There was no disrespect intended in my comments. They were matter of fact and blunt. Sorry if I was not sugar coating the fact that I was going to report the outcome to FFG and you did not like that. In my mind, my friends mind and many minds who have read this ridiculously long chain have said, they did not agree with how it was handled.

You made a choice, a tough choice to make, but ultimately created a situation where my friend had no "win" situation.

If he does not change dice and wins, you can say he must have cheated. If he does change dice and loses, well, he must have been using loaded dice because now he lost. At that point his ONLY way to "clear his name" is to change dice and WIN.

So who wins here? The guy who makes an off handed comment about hot dice? That is what we will use to gauge the level of action to a comment?

Alright, let's set the record straight. First off, this was easily one of the best run events I've seen overall in 20 plus years of competitive gaming (including FFG run Gen con and world's events). These TOs had every I dotted and T crossed including timers, announcements, pairings, rules, etc. except for one unfortunate event. Everyone has had an experience with a poorly run event and a bad TO, don't get it twisted that this was one of those events. I could easily criticize many TOs at similar events tenfold for their skills before the lunch break (including, but not limited to, the event the previous week that sparked an 11 page forum thread on tournament length or one in statesboro Georgia that had outright collusion this past Saturday, though it had no meaningful impact on the results). This was the first time these TOs had to deal with something like this (let's face it, xwing has been an extremely casual community until this season). Could they have handled it a bit better? Sure. But there are certainly worse ways to go about it than giving you free dice. The best way to handle it would be to remind any opponents that had a problem that they could just use your dice as well. You can't realistically test dice on the spot. I love how that argument is essentially "people don't understand small sample sizes and statistics, so you need to roll them a few times to be sure". Best not to hold up an event by fondling them for 30 minutes either.

It's also worth pointing out that both TOs are extremely kind young ladies, and maybe (can't speak for them for sure) they "caved" for a quick solution because they had multiple grown men yelling in their faces like children (the OP's accusers, not the OP himself). It's worth mentioning that the OP's noble TO friend, who has not run an xwing event near this size himself, was yelling the loudest. Resulting to personal insults, facebook rants, the whole nine yards. I'd bet dollars to donuts he's of the aforementioned negative breed of TO.

I'm sure it through you off your game a bit, but sooner or later, you have to be able to play with some sort of distraction in just about any competitive setting for a game or sport. You can't play in a bubble. I've had to play virtually every store championship and regional over the past two years on little (and often no sleep) due to work schedule. I've lost in the final match multiple times in these circumstances. I was playing with a fever as well at this event. Our group had a clerical error cost us our hotel room on the first night of Gen con this past year, resulting in us having been awake for 24 hours plus by the time the event even BEGAN. I had to play a top 4 regional game a couple years ago with some random older lady that had wandered into the store chatting me up about attack wing, which I give less than a you know what about. Granted some of these instances (and there are many more) were beyond the control of the host location and/or TOs, but my point is life happens. I wish my biggest distraction was a free set of dice. Also, as you mentioned, your top 4 opponent did win in the previous Swiss game (and he ended up going undefeated on the day and won the event) before the distraction. Can you really say for sure it would have been different otherwise? For everyone else's benefit I'll mention that Tim (the champion on the day) is a consummate gentleman and was not one of the accusers.

And the last point I'll make is about the supposed lack of observation. Even at the top 16 for world's and gencon, in that initial round of 16, there was typically just a single judge giving a cursory glance down the long row of 7 or 8 mats on the one table. Not really going to glean too much from each game like that. Only the game on the stream really had a judge hovering. Speaking of streams, it's worth mentioning that the game in question WAS being live streamed, with the TOs on their laptops anyway.

I obviously had a lot to say based on first hand experience at this event, and apologize for the rant. Safe to say though, that if the entire player base from this event was polled on the overall performance of these TOs, it would be an overwhelmingly positive response. Looking forward to the regional at this location.

Wait....what happened at Statesboro?

There were an odd number of players, 4 rounds swiss plus top 4. In round 2, a player who no longer lives in statesboro, but is originally from there and friends or at least familiar with the T.O. asked to be given the bye for a free win. A couple players from our local meta (roughly 2 1/2 hours away from statesboro, maybe less) witnessed the T.O. manual switch players after the round 2 results were generated by the software so that said player could get the bye. They didn't say anything, just kinda rolled their eyes, because frankly, they weren't really concerned about the player in question shooting up the standings and making the cut. He now lives in "the next meta over" about 45 minutes away, and is frequently up to some sort of antics so the players are very familiar with him, but frankly, for lack of a better term this guy is essentially the village idiot and mostly harmless. We're all kinda just used to him and pick our battles. The player ended the day 1-3. In the next round however, the T.O. was witnessed again (they were already suspicious at this point) switching another pairing or two so a couple locals didn't have to play each other. Even at this point, the guys that saw this were willing to give the T.O. the benefit of the doubt thinking that maybe the software had repaired people from a previous round. Once at the tables, one player calls out as an honest question "wait, I'm 2-0 and my opponent is 0-2, how are we playing?". This was one of the pairings involved. The T.O. tried to mumble up some excuse about the two of them having very close m.o.v. and saying it pairs off of that, which of course is a) virtually impossible since we're probably talking like 300 something m.o.v. to about 100 something, and b) not even true to begin with in relation to the software. He then comments a bit later to one of the players from here that had been watching him (not sure exactly how it was brought up again or how he confronted him about it, but safe to say it was off to the side fairly discretely, again to not completely embarrass the T.O.) that " yeah, I switched them because they are both from around here and play each other in the shop a lot." Around this time the pairings for the 4th round were going out, and the player he had just said that to was matched up against one of the other 2 players that rode with him from our area (because they were the two 3-0 players). He then says to the T.O., in a tongue in cheek manner, "well can we not get paired up then? we play each other all the time". It's worth noting that they were playing, and have been for awhile now, the exact same list verbatim card for card. It's a miserable game to watch, let alone play in i'm sure. And it's happened at least 4 times with them because, like this day, they are usually both doing well with it. But they understand it comes with the territory. The T.O. responded "no, you guys are playing for the top table, I can't do that". But of course the players he repaired were both 2-0 at the time (maybe one 1-1 and a 2-0) so it's not like he was at least just doing this with people that couldn't affect the cut or something. The two of them proceeded to get a draw with the mirror match. I don't think there were any issues after that, other than some salty attitudes when it came time for the final match and the other player from here playing the same list as our friend that had been talking to the T.O. was slated to play against (i think) a local. He asked simply if he could film the game. They said sure. He said ok, give me about 10 minutes to grab a smoke and set up the camera (hadn't had it in there from the start for whatever reason. Possibly for space or just not to seem as intrusive). As he's outside, about 5 mins into the short break, the T.O. and other player in the finals start bashing him along the lines of "who does he think he is getting a camera in someone else's area?, what is taking him so long, he needs to hurry the hell up and not be an ass making us wait, he didn't even ask if he could do it, etc." to which the other player from our group with that same list who had lost in top 4 match to the player saying these things and was sitting right there said "he did just ask and you both said it was fine". The response was "oh, well I guess he did, but still". Straight up elementary school logic. For the record, we have a fairly popular youtube channel in the region, and the player getting the camera is the guy who made the map of all the store championships in the country that this board seems to be pretty thankful for. We do our best to cover the game for the benefit of anyone who is interested. We even had the final match from gen con this past year up before team covenant. If they had seemed at all not ok with him setting up the camera, when he asked them, he wouldn't have pressed the issue. We've had at least one similar case in the past.

That's all that really needs to be said about the Statesboro Store Championship, unless it's going to at least be in another thread. It doesn't need to completely derail this already volatile one. There may be some behind the scenes emails etc. that come of it, but that's all I'm going to say about it out in the open. It goes to show though, that even on the EXACT same day, in the EXACT same region, there are far bigger T.O. problems to worry about. Let alone if we go drudging up accounts from every store championship and regional over the past 4 years. The last thing we need to be doing is having a bunch of people jumping on the band wagon to roast some T.O.s that did an overall outstanding job because the peanut gallery think this is one of those times when it really is not the case.

Wow....I mean, I know one of the Statesboro guys. I'm in the Atlanta group and he comes up here because he has friends in the Atlanta Group. That sucks to hear though.

I can admit that my voice may have been loud. I had been speaking over the crowd for 12 hours by that point.

Well here's the thing.

If I say someone was screaming or yelling, that carries a certain connotation, and frankly not a good one. So if I want to make someone look bad or at least worse, I say they're yelling or screaming. If however I want to make them look good or at least better I say they were speaking forcefully, or even blunty.

XWingEvents keeps using passive aggressive wording to make you all look bad, but tries to diminish his own part in it also with his wording choices.

Perhaps a better solution in this situation would be to replace all the dice for both players in the game. This way everyone is "innocent until proven guilty" and no one has to be judged or made to feel like a cheater.

I would like to clear some things up being brought up to somehow bring my character into question. I HAVE made comments regarding the ability of the TOs to advocate over an event like this and even less so at a Regional event, but their response to a situation like this is directly attributable to their ability to handle those situations. They are ultimately responsible and they must also be able to take the direct comments regarding their handling of the event, for better or for worse.

1) I made some tongue in cheek comments about "doing damage" at this event in a previous thread to a person who going to attend. It was a simple machismo chest bump and had little meaning and certainly no ill will to anyone. Apparently people take things real seriously in the internet world of Facebook. Sorry.

2) I "complained" about them ding 75 minute rounds. Actually, I "suggested" they run 60 minute rounds, because at the time I was unaware that FFG was mandating 75 minute rounds. I conceded once I learned of this policy.

3) I had some vendetta against Get Your Fun On. Totally false. Marc, the owner, was very quick to accommodate me with a table to record matches on. Both TOs were very friendly the entire event. Everyone I encountered that day was very friendly and it seems like a great place to play at.

4) I "yelled at the TOs" following the conclusion of the event. This is not true either and I am hoping Marc has audio in the room with his security cams to disprove this. The room is a large concrete room, so perhaps my voice traveled (I have a solid speaking voice as I do public speaking) but I NEVER directed yelling or anger to the TOs. I have a wife and would never disrespect a woman, but I did explain myself directly and bluntly.

As I was breaking down my camera gear, a TO came and asked how it went. I made a sarcastic comment about "Well, I guess my friend was using loaded dice, right?" and she took that as an insult apparently. I continued by telling her I would be reporting the event to FFG OP and that is when she said "Oh really?" and screamed (very loudly) across the hall to the other TO to come over. I was not engaging at all. I bluntly told her I was reporting and she engaged. She called over the extra person to keep it going.

Once the 2 TOs were present, they asked what they did wrong and why I was upset. This is when the conversation got direct as I pointed out that my friend was the only person singled out all day because comments were made by her husband and fiancee and a local player. The store owner acknowledges in his own rendition of the events that NO ONE complained. They were simply comments made about "hot dice" and it was not until a third party, no longer in the event made the comment of "you should check out these dice" was the issue ever even questioned.

However, we were told explicitly, THREE PEOPLE COMPLAINED about his dice and that is why they HAD TO ACT. Within a couple minutes Marc (store owner) came over and now the three of them were engaging me in the same conversation. Maybe my voice raised to over speak the 3 talking, I don't know, maybe my voice naturally raised. It was not out of disrespect.

I will openly apologize the the TOs and their husbands if they feel I yelled at them, but I was making a point and I had 3 people to talk over to do it.

Of course there are multiple stories to be heard here. The TOs rendition, the players, mine, but the arc remains the same.

A few people commented and the TOs decided they HAD TO ACT. I think this is the overall failure of this situation as no action was directly warranted. Considering the circumstance of not being able to directly make a decision based on fact (whether the dice were loaded or not) there was nothing to be gained by addressing my friend and certainly the only thing which could be construed is that he was being accused of cheating.

The only fair solution was to do nothing or simply bring a set of dice to the table and say, we would like both people involved to use this set of dice for this match. I think the overwhelming responses in this thread support this solution and the fact that nothing should have been done.

The only real supporters to the situation have been the husband and fiancee of the TOs involved. Even the store owner has not explicitly supported the outcome. So remove all of the character assassination and personal emotion from it, you are left with a crappy ending to a nice event.

I still do not think the TOs were objective enough nor prepared to handle this situation. They let the influence of the people they know affect their judgement in how to handle the situation.

If they overheard some random stranger mention someones dice being "hot", would they have acted the same?

Let me weigh in here.

You made a snide, passive aggressive comment to me. I calmly explained we accused no one of cheating. Once you clearly would -not- drop it, I called over the other TO, the one who made the ultimate decision and observation. I did not "scream". I spoke loud enough to get her attention and express urgency. And I mention earlier in the thread I was a bit bristled. The way you spoke to me rubbed me the wrong way. It was straight up disrespectful, and I believe whole heartedly if I was a man you would've spoken to me differently. You can claim otherwise, but that's my side of it.

Secondly, my fiancé did not play OP. He did not make a complaint. He did however, play you in the first round. I'm sure you remember him, now.

It has been clear from the beginning you are not fond of us, our store, or the way we have handled things. And that is 100% in your right. But, and I am not speaking on behalf of the store here, I do NOT appreciate the way you spoke to me Saturday night. And neither did my fiancé, who had to sit by a listen to a man yell at his fiancé. Imagine how you would feel, watching that happen to your wife, but knowing you couldn't intervene or else be accused of "collusion".

As I said in my previous comment, I did not yell at you. I hardly looked at you as I broke down my camera gear. I certainly was not using my library voice, but hardly was yelling nor attacking you. I was very blunt with you and would have said the same thing to a man. You can play the "woman" card, but I spoke to you as the person responsible for singling out my friend and what I consider a poor solution to the situation.

I know who your fiance is, he was a nice guy. I don't care who wins or loses in this game. We came to see the local meta and if we even wanted to come up for Regionals as a group.

If you took what I said as "yelling", I apologize. There was no disrespect intended in my comments. They were matter of fact and blunt. Sorry if I was not sugar coating the fact that I was going to report the outcome to FFG and you did not like that. In my mind, my friends mind and many minds who have read this ridiculously long chain have said, they did not agree with how it was handled.

You made a choice, a tough choice to make, but ultimately created a situation where my friend had no "win" situation.

If he does not change dice and wins, you can say he must have cheated. If he does change dice and loses, well, he must have been using loaded dice because now he lost. At that point his ONLY way to "clear his name" is to change dice and WIN.

So who wins here? The guy who makes an off handed comment about hot dice? That is what we will use to gauge the level of action to a comment?

You're right, you were not yelling in the original comment. It was said under your voice and snide.

It wasn't until I basically brushed it off with, "We accused no one of cheating" did you start to get heated.

We could go back and forth on this ALL DAY, because you will not admit you are wrong.

You have started two threads in two different places on this.

You have participated in four.

You have mentioned my first name, my city, and my store location.

You have made this personal. End of story.

And I'm not playing the woman card. I'm stating a fact. Would you have asked the other TO if she "even played xwing" if she was a man? The casual sexual in the gaming industry is well documented.

I can admit that my voice may have been loud. I had been speaking over the crowd for 12 hours by that point.

Well here's the thing.

If I say someone was screaming or yelling, that carries a certain connotation, and frankly not a good one. So if I want to make someone look bad or at least worse, I say they're yelling or screaming. If however I want to make them look good or at least better I say they were speaking forcefully, or even blunty.

XWingEvents keeps using passive aggressive wording to make you all look bad, but tries to diminish his own part in it also with his wording choices.

Absolutely. Just like in the "gaming chicks" thread when someone said a woman was screeching. It absolutely is said to make people think a certain way.

When this first unfolded we all tried to give him the benefit of the doubt.

The only real supporters to the situation have been the husband and fiancee of the TOs involved. Even the store owner has not explicitly supported the outcome. So remove all of the character assassination and personal emotion from it, you are left with a crappy ending to a nice event.

Don't mistake my meaning. I absolutely support my TOs. 110%. Am I happy someone attended an event in my store and had a bad experience? Absolutely not. I do not have sound on my security cameras. But I do have video of you and the other player (not dice owner) angrily talking and gesturing at the TOs (and myself later). I have a customer who from across the room heard the commotion and came and told me it was heated. I stood there and with my ears listened to you both repeatedly make angry comments attacking the event, TOs, the fact that regionals was here, the venue, the decisions made etc.

Here's the thing. You were a player in the event. Not a TO. It's not your place to stand there and rant at the TOs over their decision. Their decisions are final. If you don't like them you were told "you are completely within your rights to file a complaint with FFG". you can continue to voice your "innocence in off handed remarks" but you and I both know you were not using innocent remarks when you 1) stated we should run 60 minute rounds for regionals and were told no we can't and you laughed and stating we most certainly could. When shown the actual rule it turned into "fine they changed it. I'm gonna come up there and hand out some damage". 2)asked my TO "if she even played the game". 3) all the personal naming and venting you're doing all over this and other forums attacking the TOs, venue, etc trying to rally some kind of war cry. 4)repeatedly make comments about how we should not have regional host location because we are incompetent and incapable of handling it.

The only reason you were even allowed to stand there and rant like that at my TOs is because they were trying to talk to your friend with the dice to explain that there is currently no official stance for handling the situation and were only trying to help him and were honestly sorry he was upset and to explain we would get a final stance from FFG. The head TO kept trying to have a calm conversation with you and you both kept loudly stating obnoxious comments and attacks at them. That's why I finally ended it and terminated the conversation.

If you get what I honestly think you've been after in the first place, regional at your location instead of ours, I will still be here backing up my TOs 110% against your personal and false claims. I'll post on this thread if FFG gives us an official stance on handling dice concerns. Until then, feel free to keep beating the dead horse of how we don't deserve and would be unable to run Regionals in my store. Meanwhile I will continue to thank all the other attendees for their very kind words about how much they enjoyed the event and how well it was run.

I can admit that my voice may have been loud. I had been speaking over the crowd for 12 hours by that point.

Well here's the thing.

If I say someone was screaming or yelling, that carries a certain connotation, and frankly not a good one. So if I want to make someone look bad or at least worse, I say they're yelling or screaming. If however I want to make them look good or at least better I say they were speaking forcefully, or even blunty.

XWingEvents keeps using passive aggressive wording to make you all look bad, but tries to diminish his own part in it also with his wording choices.

You keep up with this passive aggressive thing though. You keep claiming I was yelling, which I was not. I never claim they were yelling. I think we were all speaking with a tone equal to one another overcoming the echo in the corner and the residual noise in the room.

I did not feel like the conversation was all that blown out of proportion. I was upset, my friend was upset. I felt like the resolution was wrong and he was singled out by sore losers. We can split this anyway you want, but let us be perfectly clear. Dice CAN BE MODIFIED but the level of work required to do such a thing is so inconceivable that it is silly to ever think people are doing it. Even in the 1:100000 chance where it is true, why even mention it?

It dice are weighted, they will weight averages in their favor. In my friends Bro Bot list, you actually do not WANT favored results. You want missed to get your reroll. So the mere accusation of weighted dice actually make no sense in what he was flying. He wants low reds first then he wants paint second. If the simple fact of what he was flying was brought into any consideration then there would be no reason to even move forward.

Now if he is rolling all naturals all day on TLTs, then maybe your view changes but considering what he was flying, and the extreme low likelihood of dice modification, it should have been squashed without incident.

Someone has a bad feeling about your dice, you pamper him by changing dice.

Could not disagree more. Why the hell should anyone pamper anyone when they make unsubstantiated accusations about you?

A "bad feeling" is not a reason to humour unsubstantiated claims; especially when you've done nothing wrong.

Common courtesy. Cost you nothing. If literally doing nothing is already to much to ask from you …

Cost you nothing, except your reputation. You may be completely innocent, but you've been tarred with the (unsubstantiated) tag of "cheater".

I'm the first to admit, this is a game where we push toy spaceships around a mat. But even then, I don't see why anybody should let baseless accusations tarnish them. You clearly do.

If you took what I said as "yelling", I apologize. There was no disrespect intended in my comments. They were matter of fact and blunt. Sorry if I was not sugar coating the fact that I was going to report the outcome to FFG and you did not like that. In my mind, my friends mind and many minds who have read this ridiculously long chain have said, they did not agree with how it was handled.

I've read through the entire thread, parts of it twice. If what's on display here is also "matter of fact and blunt", I personally would have had you ejected you from the venue and made clear to the owners that they'd have to find a different TO if they let you back in the door.

You made a choice, a tough choice to make, but ultimately created a situation where my friend had no "win" situation.

The person who made a grave accusation that could not be substantiated created a no-win situation. The TO was caught in a bind, too: how do you take the allegation seriously without appearing to take sides? I think she deserves credit for quickly finding a solution that was as equitable as could be expected, given the context.

As I said in my previous comment, I did not yell at you. I hardly looked at you as I broke down my camera gear. I certainly was not using my library voice, but hardly was yelling nor attacking you. I was very blunt with you and would have said the same thing to a man. You can play the "woman" card, but I spoke to you as the person responsible for singling out my friend and what I consider a poor solution to the situation.

There are at least a dozen witnesses that could attest that you were yelling. Or will you claim that they are all false because of "local bias"?

I know who your fiance is, he was a nice guy. I don't care who wins or loses in this game. We came to see the local meta and if we even wanted to come up for Regionals as a group.

You seemed to care who won or lost when you personally challenged me on facebook, after I was trying to tell the person arguing with you to stop.

If you took what I said as "yelling", I apologize. There was no disrespect intended in my comments. They were matter of fact and blunt. Sorry if I was not sugar coating the fact that I was going to report the outcome to FFG and you did not like that. In my mind, my friends mind and many minds who have read this ridiculously long chain have said, they did not agree with how it was handled.

You did make disrespectful comments. You accused the two undefeated players of cheating, whether you were making a sarcastic remark no one could tell because of your tone, you insulted the TO's of running a terrible tournament, and you insulted me and the other TO's husband by claiming this was all done because of us.

So who wins here? The guy who makes an off handed comment about hot dice? That is what we will use to gauge the level of action to a comment?

Weren't you there? Have you been reading this thread? It wasn't an offhand comment, somebody made a claim that the TO's had to address.

I would like to clear some things up being brought up to somehow bring my character into question. I HAVE made comments regarding the ability of the TOs to advocate over an event like this and even less so at a Regional event, but their response to a situation like this is directly attributable to their ability to handle those situations. They are ultimately responsible and they must also be able to take the direct comments regarding their handling of the event, for better or for worse.

1) I made some tongue in cheek comments about "doing damage" at this event in a previous thread to a person who going to attend. It was a simple machismo chest bump and had little meaning and certainly no ill will to anyone. Apparently people take things real seriously in the internet world of Facebook. Sorry.

2) I "complained" about them ding 75 minute rounds. Actually, I "suggested" they run 60 minute rounds, because at the time I was unaware that FFG was mandating 75 minute rounds. I conceded once I learned of this policy.

3) I had some vendetta against Get Your Fun On. Totally false. Marc, the owner, was very quick to accommodate me with a table to record matches on. Both TOs were very friendly the entire event. Everyone I encountered that day was very friendly and it seems like a great place to play at.

4) I "yelled at the TOs" following the conclusion of the event. This is not true either and I am hoping Marc has audio in the room with his security cams to disprove this. The room is a large concrete room, so perhaps my voice traveled (I have a solid speaking voice as I do public speaking) but I NEVER directed yelling or anger to the TOs. I have a wife and would never disrespect a woman, but I did explain myself directly and bluntly.

As I was breaking down my camera gear, a TO came and asked how it went. I made a sarcastic comment about "Well, I guess my friend was using loaded dice, right?" and she took that as an insult apparently. I continued by telling her I would be reporting the event to FFG OP and that is when she said "Oh really?" and screamed (very loudly) across the hall to the other TO to come over. I was not engaging at all. I bluntly told her I was reporting and she engaged. She called over the extra person to keep it going.

Once the 2 TOs were present, they asked what they did wrong and why I was upset. This is when the conversation got direct as I pointed out that my friend was the only person singled out all day because comments were made by her husband and fiancee and a local player. The store owner acknowledges in his own rendition of the events that NO ONE complained. They were simply comments made about "hot dice" and it was not until a third party, no longer in the event made the comment of "you should check out these dice" was the issue ever even questioned.

However, we were told explicitly, THREE PEOPLE COMPLAINED about his dice and that is why they HAD TO ACT. Within a couple minutes Marc (store owner) came over and now the three of them were engaging me in the same conversation. Maybe my voice raised to over speak the 3 talking, I don't know, maybe my voice naturally raised. It was not out of disrespect.

I will openly apologize the the TOs and their husbands if they feel I yelled at them, but I was making a point and I had 3 people to talk over to do it.

Of course there are multiple stories to be heard here. The TOs rendition, the players, mine, but the arc remains the same.

A few people commented and the TOs decided they HAD TO ACT. I think this is the overall failure of this situation as no action was directly warranted. Considering the circumstance of not being able to directly make a decision based on fact (whether the dice were loaded or not) there was nothing to be gained by addressing my friend and certainly the only thing which could be construed is that he was being accused of cheating.

The only fair solution was to do nothing or simply bring a set of dice to the table and say, we would like both people involved to use this set of dice for this match. I think the overwhelming responses in this thread support this solution and the fact that nothing should have been done.

The only real supporters to the situation have been the husband and fiancee of the TOs involved. Even the store owner has not explicitly supported the outcome. So remove all of the character assassination and personal emotion from it, you are left with a crappy ending to a nice event.

I still do not think the TOs were objective enough nor prepared to handle this situation. They let the influence of the people they know affect their judgement in how to handle the situation.

If they overheard some random stranger mention someones dice being "hot", would they have acted the same?

Let me weigh in here.

You made a snide, passive aggressive comment to me. I calmly explained we accused no one of cheating. Once you clearly would -not- drop it, I called over the other TO, the one who made the ultimate decision and observation. I did not "scream". I spoke loud enough to get her attention and express urgency. And I mention earlier in the thread I was a bit bristled. The way you spoke to me rubbed me the wrong way. It was straight up disrespectful, and I believe whole heartedly if I was a man you would've spoken to me differently. You can claim otherwise, but that's my side of it.

Secondly, my fiancé did not play OP. He did not make a complaint. He did however, play you in the first round. I'm sure you remember him, now.

It has been clear from the beginning you are not fond of us, our store, or the way we have handled things. And that is 100% in your right. But, and I am not speaking on behalf of the store here, I do NOT appreciate the way you spoke to me Saturday night. And neither did my fiancé, who had to sit by a listen to a man yell at his fiancé. Imagine how you would feel, watching that happen to your wife, but knowing you couldn't intervene or else be accused of "collusion".

As I said in my previous comment, I did not yell at you. I hardly looked at you as I broke down my camera gear. I certainly was not using my library voice, but hardly was yelling nor attacking you. I was very blunt with you and would have said the same thing to a man. You can play the "woman" card, but I spoke to you as the person responsible for singling out my friend and what I consider a poor solution to the situation.

I know who your fiance is, he was a nice guy. I don't care who wins or loses in this game. We came to see the local meta and if we even wanted to come up for Regionals as a group.

If you took what I said as "yelling", I apologize. There was no disrespect intended in my comments. They were matter of fact and blunt. Sorry if I was not sugar coating the fact that I was going to report the outcome to FFG and you did not like that. In my mind, my friends mind and many minds who have read this ridiculously long chain have said, they did not agree with how it was handled.

You made a choice, a tough choice to make, but ultimately created a situation where my friend had no "win" situation.

If he does not change dice and wins, you can say he must have cheated. If he does change dice and loses, well, he must have been using loaded dice because now he lost. At that point his ONLY way to "clear his name" is to change dice and WIN.

So who wins here? The guy who makes an off handed comment about hot dice? That is what we will use to gauge the level of action to a comment?

You're right, you were not yelling in the original comment. It was said under your voice and snide.

It wasn't until I basically brushed it off with, "We accused no one of cheating" did you start to get heated.

We could go back and forth on this ALL DAY, because you will not admit you are wrong.

You have started two threads in two different places on this.

You have participated in four.

You have mentioned my first name, my city, and my store location.

You have made this personal. End of story.

And I'm not playing the woman card. I'm stating a fact. Would you have asked the other TO if she "even played xwing" if she was a man? The casual sexual in the gaming industry is well documented.

My advice....put him on ignore/block. Those of us with the actual intelligence to read through the thread can see he has an axe to grind and will do everything he can to smear you and the venue while playing the passive-aggressive card.

Short of beating his *** physically, he ain't gonna stop or listen to reason. He's convinced y'all are monsters and he's the noble knight, despite him being a grade-A *******.

Loaded dice? Good golly molly. Sometimes people just have bad rolls. Consistently. I played store level a few days ago and had it handed to me because my dice rolls were atrocious. Not just bad. I mwan stinking diaper on a hot summer day bad.

Now should the TO be inspecting dice? I guess. If it nakes the world a safer place. Would I change my pack if suddenly the gods of x-wing blessed me with a victory? Oh heck no. If people can't hang with the game as it is they should not play. Complaining about loaded dice, broken cards, net lists. C'mon. Suck it up. We aren't always winners every single time. Get used to it. Ite called life and sometimes it sucks.

My advice....put him on ignore/block. Those of us with the actual intelligence to read through the thread can see he has an axe to grind and will do everything he can to smear you and the venue while playing the passive-aggressive card.

Short of beating his *** physically, he ain't gonna stop or listen to reason. He's convinced y'all are monsters and he's the noble knight, despite him being a grade-A *******.

Your support is appreciated. I can be a monster, but only when I'm hungry

(Well, it's called life. Stupid typo.)