It's been made clear that OP was given three choices: keep using his own dice, use new ones, or share dice with his next opponent. This seems pretty fair to me. I would have said **** the haters and kept using my dice instead of complaining about it afterwards.

Personally I would have opted to share dice. I might have chosen to use provided dice if I got to keep them afterward for my trouble though.

Sharing dice wasn't proposed. I would've done that if it was offered at the table if it was as simple as "we'd like shared dice to be used, does anyone mind?" Ad nauseum, I'm not superstitious, but someone else may be. I'm very relieved to see the Organized Play rules now explicitly include dice sharing as an option.

It's been made clear that OP was given three choices: keep using his own dice, use new ones, or share dice with his next opponent. This seems pretty fair to me. I would have said **** the haters and kept using my dice instead of complaining about it afterwards.

Personally I would have opted to share dice. I might have chosen to use provided dice if I got to keep them afterward for my trouble though.

Sharing dice wasn't proposed. I would've done that if it was offered at the table if it was as simple as "we'd like shared dice to be used, does anyone mind?" Ad nauseum, I'm not superstitious, but someone else may be. I'm very relieved to see the Organized Play rules now explicitly include dice sharing as an option.

Sadly it comes a little late for your situation and would have prevented this whole debacle.

We'll have to wait Until April 2nd when the new tourny FAQ comes into effect as per the title page of the document.

It's been made clear that OP was given three choices: keep using his own dice, use new ones, or share dice with his next opponent. This seems pretty fair to me. I would have said **** the haters and kept using my dice instead of complaining about it afterwards.

Personally I would have opted to share dice. I might have chosen to use provided dice if I got to keep them afterward for my trouble though.

Sharing dice wasn't proposed. I would've done that if it was offered at the table if it was as simple as "we'd like shared dice to be used, does anyone mind?" Ad nauseum, I'm not superstitious, but someone else may be. I'm very relieved to see the Organized Play rules now explicitly include dice sharing as an option.

Bummer. Personally I think either that "or all top tables use a common dice pool" are the best options in this situation. Again though, this is with the advantage of hindsight.

It's been made clear that OP was given three choices: keep using his own dice, use new ones, or share dice with his next opponent. This seems pretty fair to me. I would have said **** the haters and kept using my dice instead of complaining about it afterwards.

Personally I would have opted to share dice. I might have chosen to use provided dice if I got to keep them afterward for my trouble though.

Sharing dice wasn't proposed. I would've done that if it was offered at the table if it was as simple as "we'd like shared dice to be used, does anyone mind?" Ad nauseum, I'm not superstitious, but someone else may be. I'm very relieved to see the Organized Play rules now explicitly include dice sharing as an option.

Bummer. Personally I think either that "or all top tables use a common dice pool" are the best options in this situation. Again though, this is with the advantage of hindsight.

I wouldn't want to touch other people's dice nor would I want them touching mine.

I'd like 6 red dice and 6 green dice assigned to each table by the store, wiped clean after every game. Don't have to be new dice, just dice supplied by the store. I'd like there to be hand sanitizer at every table.

I don't think that's unreasonable, is it against some set of rules?

TLDR: Got accused of loaded dice. TOs took me aside without ever observing me play or offering communal dice and really threw off my whole game and ruined an otherwise good experience. Did they take appropriate action?

Man, I'm sorry. Would have just said "no" and referred to the "Sharing Components" subsection of the "Tournament Materials" section in the tournament rules, which provides an official solution to the non-problem. Especially if you were just using FFG dice, it seems like you were unreasonably approached in a way that only affected your psychological condition.

TLDR: Got accused of loaded dice. TOs took me aside without ever observing me play or offering communal dice and really threw off my whole game and ruined an otherwise good experience. Did they take appropriate action?

Man, I'm sorry. Would have just said "no" and referred to the "Sharing Components" subsection of the "Tournament Materials" section in the tournament rules, which provides an official solution to the non-problem. Especially if you were just using FFG dice, it seems like you were unreasonably approached in a way that only affected your psychological condition.

I think the thing is, when a TO comes up to you, says someone reported you and offers a choice, it isn't really a choice, especially at the time. It's easy to say all this stuff in retrospect but you're not the one getting an accusation of cheating after 10 hours of X-wing a long way from home.

It's been made clear that OP was given three choices: keep using his own dice, use new ones, or share dice with his next opponent. This seems pretty fair to me. I would have said **** the haters and kept using my dice instead of complaining about it afterwards.

Personally I would have opted to share dice. I might have chosen to use provided dice if I got to keep them afterward for my trouble though.

Sharing dice wasn't proposed. I would've done that if it was offered at the table if it was as simple as "we'd like shared dice to be used, does anyone mind?" Ad nauseum, I'm not superstitious, but someone else may be. I'm very relieved to see the Organized Play rules now explicitly include dice sharing as an option.

My bad, could have sworn I read three options were proposed.

At this point, and only at this point, would it cross my mind, " ... Huh. Maybe there's something to this. 'Cause that's a strange reaction."

This isn't a criminal situation. The stakes are minimal. You don't have the right to due process, including the right to an attorney. Acting like it's a bigger deal than it is is weird. It started out weird just on the accuser's side, and a reasonable player would behave in a way that kept it there. An unreasonable player ... wouldn't.

There's nothing weird about it. If you're not a cheater, it' natural to object to being treated like a cheater, or accused of being a cheater. If there's nothing wrong with my dice, why would I use different ones to make some sore loser happy? THAT would be weird.

It's been made clear that OP was given three choices: keep using his own dice, use new ones, or share dice with his next opponent. This seems pretty fair to me. I would have said **** the haters and kept using my dice instead of complaining about it afterwards.

Personally I would have opted to share dice. I might have chosen to use provided dice if I got to keep them afterward for my trouble though.

Sharing dice wasn't proposed. I would've done that if it was offered at the table if it was as simple as "we'd like shared dice to be used, does anyone mind?" Ad nauseum, I'm not superstitious, but someone else may be. I'm very relieved to see the Organized Play rules now explicitly include dice sharing as an option.

My bad, could have sworn I read three options were proposed.

Third option was dice app, which I did buy in a fit one day after bad rolls with those very dice, but I didn't want to use up my phone battery 2.5 hours from home after 13 hours (forgot my charger).

Also, I REALLY hate the interface of the dice app. Like lots.

I wouldn't want to touch other people's dice nor would I want them touching mine.

I'd like 6 red dice and 6 green dice assigned to each table by the store, wiped clean after every game. Don't have to be new dice, just dice supplied by the store. I'd like there to be hand sanitizer at every table.

I don't think that's unreasonable, is it against some set of rules?

That sounds eminently reasonable...

How will you protect yourself from players that spray it instead of say it.

Or that crafty bugger who smears some dog poo on the TO's cleaning rag.

What about the Legionares disease hiding in the air conditioner.

Really. If sanitation is so important to you then bring your own hand wash and cleaning rag.

The person who filed the complaint was told he should have asked to share dice during the match. There was nothing to be done post match. The options for the dice owner were just suggestions to AVOID any public discussion about what we felt could blow up after the event and cloud his victory with the kind of monday morning QBing that's been going on here for 16 pages should the original complainer post he lost to dice he felt we questionable and had brought up to the TO but nothing was done. That would not be fair to the dice owner as there was no real evidence of anything. But people like to talk, light torches, and point fingers. We didn't want to draw any attention to what was a non-disprovable complaint at the time. Telling he and his opponents for the next and subsequent round to share dice would have raised concerns and questions. (It also would have made even more people irritated as is clearly stated above in many posts had we told everyone to share dice). It was a no win situation for the TOs. Until this morning, dice were not even listed as officially shareable equipment for tournaments. They simply only wanted the dice owner to not be armchair discredited after the event where he could do nothing to prove himself against the scuttlebutt. The discreet swapping option gave him the ability to call BS should anyone start blasting the forums about the TOs not addressing it. Just as the TOs got blasted for addressing it. No win.

Can we get back to playing? FFG has addressed it in the rules they have updated today. Now if a player asks during a match to share dice and an agreement can't be made, the TOs are to be called.

I wouldn't want to touch other people's dice nor would I want them touching mine.

I'd like 6 red dice and 6 green dice assigned to each table by the store, wiped clean after every game. Don't have to be new dice, just dice supplied by the store. I'd like there to be hand sanitizer at every table.

I don't think that's unreasonable, is it against some set of rules?

That sounds eminently reasonable...

How will you protect yourself from players that spray it instead of say it.

Or that crafty bugger who smears some dog poo on the TO's cleaning rag.

What about the Legionares disease hiding in the air conditioner.

Really. If sanitation is so important to you then bring your own hand wash and cleaning rag.

Good idea, I will.

More importantly than sanitation is the used/new dice provided by the store to prevent all this kind of thing.

There's nothing weird about it. If you're not a cheater, it' natural to object to being treated like a cheater, or accused of being a cheater. If there's nothing wrong with my dice, why would I use different ones to make some sore loser happy? THAT would be weird.

You're clearly in the minority on this. If it were a matter of deductive logic or even of rhetoric, I'd shrug and say, "Sure, stick to your principles."

But this is an issue of societal norms. When one unilaterally ignore societal norms, one has to accept that one just might be an actual example of the problem. It is not normal to vociferously object because TOs respectfully ask you to make a tiny sacrifice in the interests of not continuing to waste time for an entire tournament's players, especially if -- as I stipulated -- it were done with no implicit judgment.

One can unilaterally ignore societal norms -- God knows I ignore some myself -- but an honest person is willing to accept the judgments that come along with doing so. Anybody who isn't is just a ******.

First, it's obviously a little silly to lodge a complaint about loaded dice, because it's impossible to take a statistically meaningful sample over the course of a single tournament. It's always easy to blame the dice for a loss, instead of your list-building or your play.

Second, I sympathize with the TO. Once someone has made a complaint, it's the TO's job to take it seriously. And--for the same reason it's silly to accuse someone of using loaded dice--neither you nor the TO can prove your dice aren't loaded. So he made a reasonable suggestion: swap your dice for an unimpeachably new set.

I'm really sorry this ruined your experience, though. Hopefully you have at least one more event to look forward to, with less litigious competitors!

The first statement is the key thing here. There's no way he could meaningfully test the dice unless he x-rays them. So beyond that, he has 2 options: have you swap your dice with a brand new pack or have you and your opponents share dice. Either of those options are fair however, he should have monitored a game of yours before having made that ruling.

First, it's obviously a little silly to lodge a complaint about loaded dice, because it's impossible to take a statistically meaningful sample over the course of a single tournament. It's always easy to blame the dice for a loss, instead of your list-building or your play.

Second, I sympathize with the TO. Once someone has made a complaint, it's the TO's job to take it seriously. And--for the same reason it's silly to accuse someone of using loaded dice--neither you nor the TO can prove your dice aren't loaded. So he made a reasonable suggestion: swap your dice for an unimpeachably new set.

I'm really sorry this ruined your experience, though. Hopefully you have at least one more event to look forward to, with less litigious competitors!

The first statement is the key thing here. There's no way he could meaningfully test the dice unless he x-rays them. So beyond that, he has 2 options: have you swap your dice with a brand new pack or have you and your opponents share dice. Either of those options are fair however, he should have monitored a game of yours before having made that ruling.

And that would have been done except we were at the Top 4 cut. There was really no time left to monitor a round or two, and remember no ruling was ever made. Nothing was ever leveled at the dice owner. They simply wanted to give him an option to make his victory untarnished in a dscreet manner.

First, it's obviously a little silly to lodge a complaint about loaded dice, because it's impossible to take a statistically meaningful sample over the course of a single tournament. It's always easy to blame the dice for a loss, instead of your list-building or your play.

Second, I sympathize with the TO. Once someone has made a complaint, it's the TO's job to take it seriously. And--for the same reason it's silly to accuse someone of using loaded dice--neither you nor the TO can prove your dice aren't loaded. So he made a reasonable suggestion: swap your dice for an unimpeachably new set.

I'm really sorry this ruined your experience, though. Hopefully you have at least one more event to look forward to, with less litigious competitors!

The first statement is the key thing here. There's no way he could meaningfully test the dice unless he x-rays them. So beyond that, he has 2 options: have you swap your dice with a brand new pack or have you and your opponents share dice. Either of those options are fair however, he should have monitored a game of yours before having made that ruling.

And that would have been done except we were at the Top 4 cut. There was really no time left to monitor a round or two, and remember no ruling was ever made. Nothing was ever leveled at the dice owner. They simply wanted to give him an option to make his victory untarnished in a dscreet manner.

By his account, multiple players had reported it. Unless they all reported it in the very same top 8 game, the TO had an opportunity to monitor. The way this player was approached doesn't sound discrete either. The other players, who accused him of cheating after they lost, were at the table when the TO joined him up.

Keep in mind I still find it a fair ruling but it can definitely not be discrete when some locals are watching over as the TO comes over to offer you a chance to clear your name from cheating...

First, it's obviously a little silly to lodge a complaint about loaded dice, because it's impossible to take a statistically meaningful sample over the course of a single tournament. It's always easy to blame the dice for a loss, instead of your list-building or your play.

Second, I sympathize with the TO. Once someone has made a complaint, it's the TO's job to take it seriously. And--for the same reason it's silly to accuse someone of using loaded dice--neither you nor the TO can prove your dice aren't loaded. So he made a reasonable suggestion: swap your dice for an unimpeachably new set.

I'm really sorry this ruined your experience, though. Hopefully you have at least one more event to look forward to, with less litigious competitors!

The first statement is the key thing here. There's no way he could meaningfully test the dice unless he x-rays them. So beyond that, he has 2 options: have you swap your dice with a brand new pack or have you and your opponents share dice. Either of those options are fair however, he should have monitored a game of yours before having made that ruling.

And that would have been done except we were at the Top 4 cut. There was really no time left to monitor a round or two, and remember no ruling was ever made. Nothing was ever leveled at the dice owner. They simply wanted to give him an option to make his victory untarnished in a dscreet manner.

By his account, multiple players had reported it. Unless they all reported it in the very same top 8 game, the TO had an opportunity to monitor. The way this player was approached doesn't sound discrete either. The other players, who accused him of cheating after they lost, were at the table when the TO joined him up.

Keep in mind I still find it a fair ruling but it can definitely not be discrete when some locals are watching over as the TO comes over to offer you a chance to clear your name from cheating...

I'm the store owner and was there for the whole thing. I wrote the whole thing up somewhere up above. The first 2 comments were not lofged as complaints. just comments to hot/cold dice. The actual official comment came in after the top 8 round ended. He was not approached in front of other players. I have no idea where you read that. A TO asked him to join us in another separate room from the event. There were no other people around. Only the 2 TOs, myself, and the dice owner were present. In fact, none of the other participants were aware anything was going on until 2 other players not involved in the situation started arguing loudly with the TOs over the situation after they were told about it from the dice owner.

It is not normal to vociferously object because TOs respectfully ask you to make a tiny sacrifice in the interests of not continuing to waste time for an entire tournament's players, especially if -- as I stipulated -- it were done with no implicit judgment.

The judgement is an integral component of the request.

"We want you to use new dice"

"Why?"

"Oh, no reason."

"Oh. Is everybody getting new dice?"

"No, just you."

"Oh."

It's 100% natural to take umbrage at the insinuation that you're using loaded dice. It would piss me right off and I expect it would do the same to ANY player.

It is not normal to vociferously object because TOs respectfully ask you to make a tiny sacrifice in the interests of not continuing to waste time for an entire tournament's players, especially if -- as I stipulated -- it were done with no implicit judgment.

The judgement is an integral component of the request."We want you to use new dice""Why?""Oh, no reason.""Oh. Is everybody getting new dice?""No, just you.""Oh."It's 100% natural to take umbrage at the insinuation that you're using loaded dice. It would piss me right off and I expect it would do the same to ANY player.

It baffles me that any grown-up could object to that. Sure, be ****ed off that some **** has accused you of cheating, but getting annoyed at the TOs for giving you a straightforward way to cut any whining sore-loser ****s off at the knees? Weird.

It's 100% natural to take umbrage at the insinuation that you're using loaded dice. It would piss me right off and I expect it would do the same to ANY player.

It's natural to take umbrage and even to be pissed right off at whomever lodged the complaint.

It might even be natural to feel like the TOs are making the accusation or like the TOs are behaving in any fashion except trying to get the tournament underway again with the minimum of fuss and disruption to all players.

What's not natural -- and is, in fact, outright ******-baggery -- is acting like the TOs are making the accusation or like the TOs are behaving in any fashion except trying to get the tournament underway again with the minimum of fuss and disruption to all players.

Would you be fine doing that? It sure sounds like it.

Considering who the OP had whispering in his ear, it isn't that surprising.

I'm the store owner and was there for the whole thing. I wrote the whole thing up somewhere up above. The first 2 comments were not lofged as complaints. just comments to hot/cold dice. The actual official comment came in after the top 8 round ended. He was not approached in front of other players. I have no idea where you read that. A TO asked him to join us in another separate room from the event. There were no other people around. Only the 2 TOs, myself, and the dice owner were present. In fact, none of the other participants were aware anything was going on until 2 other players not involved in the situation started arguing loudly with the TOs over the situation after they were told about it from the dice owner.

From your own description, I can definitely see why OP was discomforted with the experience. That's like being asked to "come with me" at a casino in Vegas.

It baffles me that any grown-up could object to that. Sure, be ****ed off that some **** has accused you of cheating, but getting annoyed at the TOs for giving you a straightforward way to cut any whining sore-loser ****s off at the knees? Weird.

I wouldn't be annoyed at the TOs (I mean, I would be annoyed that they're taking baseless claims seriously enough to take action, but that's different to them calling me a cheater) but I also wouldn't change my dice.

"Some guy thinks you're using loaded dice, want to change dice?"

"Uh, no. That guy can suck a sausage, I don't care what he thinks about my dice."

I'm the store owner and was there for the whole thing. I wrote the whole thing up somewhere up above. The first 2 comments were not lofged as complaints. just comments to hot/cold dice. The actual official comment came in after the top 8 round ended. He was not approached in front of other players. I have no idea where you read that. A TO asked him to join us in another separate room from the event. There were no other people around. Only the 2 TOs, myself, and the dice owner were present. In fact, none of the other participants were aware anything was going on until 2 other players not involved in the situation started arguing loudly with the TOs over the situation after they were told about it from the dice owner.

From your own description, I can definitely see why OP was discomforted with the experience. That's like being asked to "come with me" at a casino in Vegas.

I feel like you should take a step back and not take board gaming so seriously. Or come meet the people who frequent GYFO and see just how unintimidating our jolly bunch is.