After reading this thread, I'm sorry I can't attend regionals there (I am in Cali). I'm 100% convinced that the TOs and store owner are legit, based on what's been posted here by both sides.

I mean if you managed to make it out here we would love to have you! If you are ever in the sunshine state come find us

I just want to say that I'm going to the regionals at this venue and am thankful to have a regionals close enough to drive to, and expect that I will have a good time regardless of how many tlts I bring.

I just hope all of this internet nonsense doesn't sour them to running Xwing events.

Sometimes my dice are hot.... sometimes not.

Cliff I'm excited to have you come to regionals. Perhaps a rematch? Perhaps at the end again?

And bring all the TLTs you want. Haters gonna hate.

I think I'll attend after all. I mean, all this hatred towards me would be a waste to squander.

My hatred has turned to pity after watching you self implode these last few posts. GG.

Looks like I missed all the fun when I decided to go to Statesboro. Hate to see situations like this. As a personal anecdote, I've played matches against the TO and played in multiple of her tournaments, including the SC at this store last year. She has always done a wonderful job and I look forward to her events.

Anyways, see you at Regionals, can't wait!

"Just use these brand new dice" strikes me as the perfect solution, especially if its made clear there's no judgment being implied as to guilt ... it's just the fastest way to get the tourney moving again. It's exactly what a TO should have done.

And, BTW, while the accusation was weird, I don't want that to be read in any way that I don't think a TO should have been called. I absolutely think a TO should be called whenever any impartial judgment or solution -- any impartial judgment or solution -- is desired. So while I think the accusation is weird, I think calling for a TO was exactly right.

I skipped from page 7 to here, so I'm not sure what I missed, but...

"Just use these brand new dice" comes with the subtext "because we can't tell if you're cheating by using your old dice".

And the natural response is, why me?

Why am I the only one whose integrity is being questioned here? Because I rolled some good dice?

Not good enough.

If it's new dice for me, then it's new dice for everybody.

I have every belief that the TOs acted in good faith and did the best they could under duress. But I still maintain their solution was the wrong one. It singled out a player as being a potential cheater, who then had to take special actions in an attempt to prove he WASN'T a cheater. It's not a good solution, and it puts the player in question 'on show' and singles him out.

I have every belief that the TOs acted in good faith and did the best they could under duress. But I still maintain their solution was the wrong one. It singled out a player as being a potential cheater, who then had to take special actions in an attempt to prove he WASN'T a cheater. It's not a good solution, and it puts the player in question 'on show' and singles him out.

Then it feels like you skipped a lot BEFORE page 7 as well. Their proposed solution didn't single anyone out. A sore loser did and they tried the best they could with no official guidance they could find. It also did not put him "on show" as everything they did was private and away from prying eyes. His friend put him "on show" when he made snide comments to one TO and things got heated in the game room.

I have every belief that the TOs acted in good faith and did the best they could under duress. But I still maintain their solution was the wrong one. It singled out a player as being a potential cheater, who then had to take special actions in an attempt to prove he WASN'T a cheater. It's not a good solution, and it puts the player in question 'on show' and singles him out.

Then it feels like you skipped a lot BEFORE page 7 as well. Their proposed solution didn't single anyone out. A sore loser did and they tried the best they could with no official guidance they could find. It also did not put him "on show" as everything they did was private and away from prying eyes. His friend put him "on show" when he made snide comments to one TO and things got heated in the game room.

They did the best they thought they could, but I don't think it was the right decision, even if it was understandable. When you take someone aside and say someone accused them of cheating as a TO, it's basically the same as if you accused them of cheating. If you read the previous posts, you can see, she didn't mean to actually accuse him, but that action had the same result. A TO dictate on the final four that singled no one out would probably have been the best way if she really felt she had to address the complaint.

As I said before, if you're not confident enough in an accusation to handle it officially and openly, you probably shouldn't do it at all. That all being said, what's done is done, and what's important is having a more balanced procedure from here on in.

Cliff I'm excited to have you come to regionals. Perhaps a rematch? Perhaps at the end again?

And bring all the TLTs you want. Haters gonna hate.

That would be awesome, wouldn't it ☺

This time it won't be at 3 am.

Then it feels like you skipped a lot BEFORE page 7 as well. Their proposed solution didn't single anyone out

Oh, I missed the part where everyone was given new dice and instructed to use them. I thought it was just one guy who was, forgive the phrase, 'singled out' to use new dice.

Then it feels like you skipped a lot BEFORE page 7 as well. Their proposed solution didn't single anyone out

Oh, I missed the part where everyone was given new dice and instructed to use them. I thought it was just one guy who was, forgive the phrase, 'singled out' to use new dice.

That's fair, but I don't think we will change each other's minds. I'm just pointing out that TOs didn't make the accusation or make things public. The OP was free to not take the new dice and nobody would have known except for a loud dissenting opinion. Heck, I bet the TOs wish they'd known the accuser would be gone before any resolution had been attempted.They made an arguably bad decision (arguably based on the split of opinions here) and they are hoping to learn from it.

And you know what? I'll even make an argument against my own point to say that doing it privately means the accuser wouldn't even have known that he was using fresh dice. It was absolutely a less than ideal solution. But for heat-of-the-moment-during-top-four trying to think on their feet without official guidance? We're all looking at it as outsiders with perfect hindsight. I still think I'd make an effort to address what felt like a formal complaint.

1. I was pulled aside from a big open room. We were waiting for the next round so I'm sure when the TO came in and pulled me out it was noticed.

2. The accuser stayed in the store through the beginning of my top 4 match. He even approached my opponent to chat about going to Regionals while we were playing. Also, he was sitting with my last round of Swiss player who has already confirmed he mentioned dice (offhand throw away comment as it was). It certainly helped give the impression of stated "rumor mill" starting to spin.

So what I learned from this thread is that the fabled Florida Man plays X-Wing. Who knew?

Well then, I've obviously made some bad assumptions, but I still don't think they intended to act maliciously. I think the accusations of local bias clouded the issue and blew it up. (I say all of this as an outsider who only heard about it in store the next day and then from this thread.)

The really sad part about this whole thread is that now there is a guy who just screwed himself out of what seems like a generally fun place to play. This is why we fly casual folks.

IMO the 'do you even play X-Wing' comment should've been your first two strikes for the day. Clearly the TO and owner gave you more leniency than I would of.

First off, get the story straight. I never asked that question. Swiss was done and me and a friend were trying out IA when the TO came over and started talking with us. Real nice conversation. I asked her, "So do you play X-Wing too?" where she want on to explain how she got involved with her husband playing and it was all pleasantries. So do not keep trying to make it seem like I questioned her capability in some way or derogatory.

If you knew she was one of the TOs at the time, there is no collection of words that doesn't make that an insult. It doesn't matter how you ask it "Do you play too?" is just as insulting to a TO as "Do you even play?" It's possible the slight was unintentional, but it was still a slight.

I have every belief that the TOs acted in good faith and did the best they could under duress. But I still maintain their solution was the wrong one. It singled out a player as being a potential cheater, who then had to take special actions in an attempt to prove he WASN'T a cheater. It's not a good solution, and it puts the player in question 'on show' and singles him out.

Then it feels like you skipped a lot BEFORE page 7 as well. Their proposed solution didn't single anyone out. A sore loser did and they tried the best they could with no official guidance they could find. It also did not put him "on show" as everything they did was private and away from prying eyes. His friend put him "on show" when he made snide comments to one TO and things got heated in the game room.

They did the best they thought they could, but I don't think it was the right decision, even if it was understandable. When you take someone aside and say someone accused them of cheating as a TO, it's basically the same as if you accused them of cheating. If you read the previous posts, you can see, she didn't mean to actually accuse him, but that action had the same result. A TO dictate on the final four that singled no one out would probably have been the best way if she really felt she had to address the complaint.

As I said before, if you're not confident enough in an accusation to handle it officially and openly, you probably shouldn't do it at all. That all being said, what's done is done, and what's important is having a more balanced procedure from here on in.

I agree that there would have been better ways to handle this, but we have the advantage of not being in the heat of the moment. Having run many large events for X-Wing and other games, I can tell you that an accusation of cheating in a tournament is a sticky wicket. It's very hard to get right. The only time it is EASY is if you are 100% sure you've caught the player cheating. That is the only case where taking action openly and publicly is the right course. In any other situation, by taking things public you are just making a bad situation worse.

In the past when a situation like this arises I've ALWAYS pulled the player aside privately. It's the only reasonable course if you think the player might be innocent and you still wish to have him continue to play at your events. Making things public always insults the accused, and ruins that relationship. Anything you can do to avoid singling out a player that you think might be innocent should be done.

Shared dice for all matches (store supplied or otherwise) from top 8 onward is probably a reasonable policy. It's too bad it wasn't what was done here, but I doubt I would have thought of it at the time either, had I been TO.

IMO the 'do you even play X-Wing' comment should've been your first two strikes for the day. Clearly the TO and owner gave you more leniency than I would of.

First off, get the story straight. I never asked that question. Swiss was done and me and a friend were trying out IA when the TO came over and started talking with us. Real nice conversation. I asked her, "So do you play X-Wing too?" where she want on to explain how she got involved with her husband playing and it was all pleasantries. So do not keep trying to make it seem like I questioned her capability in some way or derogatory.

If you knew she was one of the TOs at the time, there is no collection of words that doesn't make that an insult. It doesn't matter how you ask it "Do you play too?" is just as insulting to a TO as "Do you even play?" It's possible the slight was unintentional, but it was still a slight.

Exactly. To pretend that question would be asked of a male TO is just... delusional. But that's my opinion.

Then it feels like you skipped a lot BEFORE page 7 as well. Their proposed solution didn't single anyone out

Oh, I missed the part where everyone was given new dice and instructed to use them. I thought it was just one guy who was, forgive the phrase, 'singled out' to use new dice.

If one person is accused of stalling, do you watch every player to make sure they are placing dials in a timely manner? When there is question of one person's templates, do all players have to use the same single set of templates?

Yes, it sucks that this player was accused of having loaded dice. But to say he was singled out because he was the only player accused is twisting the judges reactions. They tried to handle it out of the public eye, which unfortunately, certain parties were unable to leave it as.

Again, the judges are not to blame in this situation. Direct your anger instead at FFG Official Play.

Again, the judges are not to blame in this situation. Direct your anger instead at FFG Official Play.

Booo....

FFG provides great support for this casual game. This is not a card game. It is not a play for cash game. It has far too many variables to ever be played any other way but casual.

The TO and event coordinator have tough jobs. There are bad sports out there and people that just don't play well with others. Some just seem to enjoy being a dissident to other people's good time. FFG has done nothing to hinder the joy of playing this game in organized settings. They've done quite the opposite.

They have been consistently behind the ball when it comes to Official Play. Their Official Play continues to grow faster then they seem to expand their programs. Why Netrunner is the only one with Floor Rules is beyond me. X-wing should have had Floor Rules at the same time.

They have been consistently behind the ball when it comes to Official Play. Their Official Play continues to grow faster then they seem to expand their programs. Why Netrunner is the only one with Floor Rules is beyond me. X-wing should have had Floor Rules at the same time.

Because Netrunner is a card game!

There is almost NOTHING precise about X-wing. Dice are not perfect, the temples are not perfect, things get bumped on the board, the range ruler is not perfect.... (need I go on?)

And yet, FFG encourages a competitive tournament circuit, with Regionals and Worlds.

And it doesn't matter that you view it as a casual game. The size of the game has far outstripped a "keep it casual" approach.

And yet, FFG encourages a competitive tournament circuit, with Regionals and Worlds.

And it doesn't matter that you view it as a casual game. The size of the game has far outstripped a "keep it casual" approach.

But the variable aspects of the game have not.

Also... what's top prize at Worlds? A play mat, a trophy, and the chance to design a card? Sounds pretty casual to me...

14 pages? Are you kidding me?