Not a role I enjoy being in to be honest. I love the controversial subjects, I do. I enjoy what if's and deconstructing EVERYTHING. But really there are so many different cultural differences between what constitutes equality, there are no right answers. It's like religion and politics. Best not overly discussed. Just keep it simple to what works and work alongside that.

Common sense and all, really.

I think It would be interesting to see how the women respond to gentlemen. In my short experience on this earth, I find girls appreciate it. I can't say ive met too many feminists though. It will be an interesting experience when a girl smacks me in the face when I offer a helping hand.

Whenever I've seen it it's more just embarrassing for them - like when a confused non-Londoner offers his seat on the Tube to a fit and able young lady because of the disability of having a ****** (or whatever the reasoning is). It's also kinda rude to refuse when someone's insistent, of course, so the whole thing is quite the sorry display of social protocol gone wrong.

EDit: Huh, the auto-censor makes that look a lot worse than I intended!

Unfortunatly, some people do take acts of kindness the wrong way initially. I think it is because the world is always screaming "look out for yourself!"

Darius pretty much just summed up my position, so i'm done here.

Also, what's this about not being nice to women because they are women?

Sure sure, treat everyone equally. But be nicer to women because they are women. That's what we Gentlemen call being a Gent.

The vast majority of men on this planet should try it out sometime! I mean, heaven forbid a woman should see merit in a man treating her nicely.

Young boys who are reading this thread: Be nice to all women, even the skaggs. Just do it all the time. Say excuse me and open the door for them. If someone calls you a sexist for treating women kindly then you remind them that you're simply being a Gentleman. See lads, that's the other part of being a Gentleman. You have to treat everyone with respect, even if they have really dumb ideas about equality. So never mind this sexist tripe and just go on being polite to women no matter what. You'll find that you have a much easier time in life if you just remember to act like someone your Grandmother would approve of.

You honestly don't see how that is sexist? Does the fact that you are coddling a human being different based on their sex not make you even slightly suspicious that your behavior might be sexist?

Why should't a woman open a door just like a man would? I am sure that their weak little lady wrists can handle it.

Young boys who are reading this thread:

Think.

What annoys me much more about this, how rude it is to not know when he has to open to door for another guy. And on top of that he claims something as gentlemen code which is downright wrong. The implied sexism is just the sugarcoat. A gentleman has to know when he should open the door for a woman and when he actually should let a woman open the door for him. And as well when he goes first and when he follows and let her take the lead. And most of those situation are not sex based, but simply just common sense. A gentlemen will take an inconvenience for himself to prevent inconvenience for someone else.

Spoiler alert: "gentlemen code" and "alpha male mantra" and all that dumb nonsense is sexist garbage that poisons your social perceptions and relationships.

Just be a kind, decent, helpful human being to everyone you meet and treat them with courtesy and respect, regardless of your genitalia or theirs. It's really that easy.

It is part of my moral code and personal belief to strive to treat everyone better than myself. I fail, but that's what I try to do.

I was raised to treat women better than men, and that that was being a gentleman. I was never taught, nor do I believe, that women are inferior and that is why I should treat them better and more respectful. If a woman infers condescension by me being kind, there's not much that can be done by that. I will do what I think is right.

That being said, I don't expect everyone to see it my way, and I certainly don't insult or demean people who don't. There's been a lot of insults hurled at each other in this thread, and it's pretty disgusting. We should be able to civilly disagree and explain our viewpoints without getting nasty. What ever happened to a little kindness, tolerance, and acceptance of other people cultures and beliefs? Aren't we a little (all sides here) a little self-absorbed to think that our opinion on this so vitally important that we have to be so nasty to others who may see things a little different?

If I could lock this thread I would because this is not what I intended.

Also, what's this about not being nice to women because they are women?

Sure sure, treat everyone equally. But be nicer to women because they are women. That's what we Gentlemen call being a Gent.

The vast majority of men on this planet should try it out sometime! I mean, heaven forbid a woman should see merit in a man treating her nicely.

Young boys who are reading this thread: Be nice to all women, even the skaggs. Just do it all the time. Say excuse me and open the door for them. If someone calls you a sexist for treating women kindly then you remind them that you're simply being a Gentleman. See lads, that's the other part of being a Gentleman. You have to treat everyone with respect, even if they have really dumb ideas about equality. So never mind this sexist tripe and just go on being polite to women no matter what. You'll find that you have a much easier time in life if you just remember to act like someone your Grandmother would approve of.

You think your helping women but your not what you said is terribly misogynistic, you call others sexist when you're saying incredibly sexist things.

Women can never get full equality with 20th century thinking like that.

Technical I would like to give you a like. But, what you call 20th century thinking is exactly that, a mindset which is not intentionally chosen. Being so hostile and rude about is simply not productive, no matter how alienated you are from that mindset. Changing someone's mind is easier said than done, especially is it your own mind.

Besides that, average marriage is 14 years over here and men do not need to hold doors to be proud, we have two more football world cups than our women. Admittedly they have 7 euro cups against our 3, but hey, it is the world cup that matters.

And I am happy that my wife brought me to X-Wing.

(yes, I am joking, my identity is not formed by belonging to a group. German football is still awesome)

It is part of my moral code and personal belief to strive to treat everyone better than myself. I fail, but that's what I try to do.

I was raised to treat women better than men, and that that was being a gentleman. I was never taught, nor do I believe, that women are inferior and that is why I should treat them better and more respectful. If a woman infers condescension by me being kind, there's not much that can be done by that. I will do what I think is right.

That being said, I don't expect everyone to see it my way, and I certainly don't insult or demean people who don't. There's been a lot of insults hurled at each other in this thread, and it's pretty disgusting. We should be able to civilly disagree and explain our viewpoints without getting nasty. What ever happened to a little kindness, tolerance, and acceptance of other people cultures and beliefs? Aren't we a little (all sides here) a little self-absorbed to think that our opinion on this so vitally important that we have to be so nasty to others who may see things a little different?

If I could lock this thread I would because this is not what I intended.

Spoiler alert: "gentlemen code" and "alpha male mantra" and all that dumb nonsense is sexist garbage that poisons your social perceptions and relationships.

Just be a kind, decent, helpful human being to everyone you meet and treat them with courtesy and respect, regardless of your genitalia or theirs. It's really that easy.

Actually gentlemen code is nothing else than formalised courtesy. It is just etiquette. Sure, you can call it dumb that formal wear is expected on a white-tie event and that dresscode for women is different than for men, but calling it "sexist dumb nonsense poison" … might be not one step, but a whole mile too far.

Nothing of that contradicts being kind, decent, helpful human being to everyone and courtesy itself is even defined by those "dumb" social norms. And hey, those norms have changed and are changing constantly.

And that is why we are discussing this, because I think what you think is right, it seems a little outdated and it seems a little bit incomplete. Or maybe not and everything is according to your cultural norms. *shrugs* For example over here it would be bad manners to try to open the door for your host, no matter the gender. Could go one for ages on that … but I don't think there is point in that.

Bottom line is still, people are people and want to be treated with respect like people. And if that happens than your local groups will be full of people.

Most of the guys who play X-wing are a lot more sociably acceptable than other mini games. There are less overweight guys than not. Many are married with kids. There are a few guys in their 20's.

We have a big game store and X-wing night is the same as "open board game night". About half the people in the store are female, but almost all are playing board games. It's not creepy or weird if a lady walks into the store on Thursday nights.

When you play the game of chicks, you win or you die.

You know what this topic needs? More bacon.

Spoiler alert: "gentlemen code" and "alpha male mantra" and all that dumb nonsense is sexist garbage that poisons your social perceptions and relationships.Just be a kind, decent, helpful human being to everyone you meet and treat them with courtesy and respect, regardless of your genitalia or theirs. It's really that easy.

Came here to say that. Idk why some people find this a difficult concept...

Part of our local gaming community

And there are two girls more.

I was raised to treat women better than men, and that that was being a gentleman. I was never taught, nor do I believe, that women are inferior and that is why I should treat them better and more respectful. If a woman infers condescension by me being kind, there's not much that can be done by that. I will do what I think is right.

And that is why we are discussing this, because I think what you think is right, it seems a little outdated and it seems a little bit incomplete. Or maybe not and everything is according to your cultural norms. *shrugs* For example over here it would be bad manners to try to open the door for your host, no matter the gender. Could go one for ages on that … but I don't think there is point in that.

Bottom line is still, people are people and want to be treated with respect like people. And if that happens than your local groups will be full of people.

It's fair of you to think "my code" is outdated, incomplete, or culturally different than what you perceive as norm, and I appreciate you being able to express it without being insulting. I've lived in several states and spent a fair amount of time in different countries as well, and very much understand that there is a difference between doing right and wrong, and simply a viewpoint or custom that is different than my own. Things that are innocent to some may also be perceived as inappropriate to others.

There's nothing immoral or wrong about treating ladies better than men, but it might be culturally unacceptable in some places. In once country I lived in it was inappropriate to open the door for a married woman, it would be considered flirting with her. One place I lived straight guys who were buddies would walk down the road holding hands, because that's just what buddies did and there was no sexual connotations involved.

Lastly, I too agree that we need more bacon in this thread.

Part of our local gaming community

And there are two girls more.

I suppose those two other girls didn't give you their permission to post pictures?

Part of our local gaming community

And there are two girls more.

I suppose those two other girls didn't give you their permission to post pictures?

I didn't find their photos by brief search

Photos taken from open community and I don't think I need another permission to post them

Part of our local gaming community

And there are two girls more.

I suppose those two other girls didn't give you their permission to post pictures?

Creepy ^-^

comment of my wife: "Yap. Creepy."

LOL

ymmd

I said I wouldn't keep commenting on this forum, but I think you should take those pictures down.

Part of our local gaming community

And there are two girls more.

I suppose those two other girls didn't give you their permission to post pictures?

Creepy ^-^

comment of my wife: "Yap. Creepy."

LOL

ymmd

Not my intent to be creepy. It's never a good idea to post pictures of someone without their permission particularly when you can find out a lot of information about that picture in one google image search.

Oooh, if I can make feel you better, I will do it.

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