Handling a rules mistake?

By Kman1970, in Star Wars: Edge of the Empire RPG

Good morning,


I need the Forum's advice:


I started playing the Edge of the Empire game a couple months back and so am still learning the rules. As a result I have made a few mistakes.


Here’s my problem: A player has a driod PC who is a Colonist with the Doctor specialization and he also has the non-career Outlaw Tech specialization. Going over his character I noticed he has added all skills from both Careers and Specializations. He has put XP into the skills to improve them as well. So, now his character has way too many career skills (about 7 more than he should have)


What should I do:


1. Do nothing. Accept the mistake and move on without trying to remedy the situation. I am worried this wouldn’t be fair to the other players.


2. Tell him about it and ask him to set the appropriate skills back to non-career ones and treat them as such from now on. Any increases made on them will remain but further ranks will cost the non-career cost to add.


I am leaning toward the second option. I mistakenly allowed other players to take a second specialization for free (normally it costs 20XP). The player in question paid for his second specialization properly but has probably saved about that much in XP updating his extra non-career skills.


What do you think?


Refund any XP awarded after character creation.

Rebuild the character correctly.

Let him spend the awarded XP however he likes.

Just do a reset, if it's even that much of an issue. Seems like the others getting the free second spec are about equal anyway. Just maybe have him down select the skills that can't be career skills and reassign any xp if there were some.

Yeah, I'm gonna agree with these guys. It's gonna be a bit of a pain to retcon, but not a huge one. If anything, you can toss the character into one of the online generators to have help with the math.

Have them just roll the same character over again, only this time keeping track of which skills were career and non, and make them spend XP appropriately this time. If they end up lower than before (or not at all), then so be it.

Refund any XP awarded after character creation.

Rebuild the character correctly.

Let him spend the awarded XP however he likes.

This would probably be the most fair option of the lot. And if you've got a copy of OggDude's awesome program, one that's fairly painless to implement.

That said, having him reset them to "non career" is probably the simplest. Depending on how many ranks in those skills purchased, you may want to have the PC incur an "XP deficit" that gets paid off with XP earned on future adventures. Until it's paid off, he can't advance any further.

Just a clarification: The second specialization (Outlaw Tech), will make 4 skills career skills for your player, however he will not get any free ranks in those skills. The career skills for Technician as a whole will not become career skills.

My usual approach would be

1. Admit the error; even if it was the player's error that you went along with, assign no direct blame.

2. Poll the group for whether to have the PC pay for the extra skill levels, or to ignore it now but do it correctly in the future.

if the group opts for pay, they've already paid for the higher levels, so they need to make up the cost of the levels incorrectly taken, which will be mostly 1 & 2 ranked, and thus 10 or 15 points. They do this with a deficit.

Edited by aramis

Say your sorry that you didn't catch the mistake sooner and ask him/her what they would like to do. Refund and re-build or go into an XP debt until he has enough XP to be legal again. Giving the player the choice gives them buy-in and makes it less likely that they'll be frustrated about it.

Handle it in game with a system fail, a virus or a memory wipe(one that starts, but doesn`t finish). It can be a critical hit, a disruptor rifle blast or something completely narrative and story based.

But talk to him about it before it happens and find out a cool and innteresting way to do it together. Maybe it triggers the first time he rolls a Dispair and you flip a darkside point.

Edited by RodianClone

Talk to the player first, and then to all the players. If he doesn't want to remake his character, you can also change the career skills (so he doesn't get the career discount anymore) and agree that he purchased his skills "in advance" meaning that he doesn't get xp until his advantage on the other players is equalized.

Also I like RodianClone's idea about resolving this in-game. Luckily it is a droid character, so saying something like "memory feedback loop error" sounds realistic ;)

Edited by derroehre

Also I like RodianClone's idea about resolving this in-game. Luckily it is a droid character, so saying something like "memory feedback loop error" sounds realistic ;)

Can droids even HAVE a Blue Screen Of Death?

You know, at this point I might tell everyone "Hey, I made a mistake. Everyone take the points you have now and rebuild your characters" and continue on from there.

Use it as a learning experience, admit that you (the group you, not Kman you) will make mistakes - and who knows, now that you've got a couple of weeks of playing under your belt, you can use this for them to fine tune the characters to their liking.

Thanks for all the advice. I talked to the players and resolved it. Basically, I had him change the skills on the PC so that the proper Career skills appear. When I did that it turns out the damage wasn't too bad. I worked out the extra XP he used in buying the non-career ranks and gave the same amount to the other players. This evened everything up XP wise. Going forward the skill ranks will be properly purchased going forward. It ended up not being as bad as I thought it would be.

Again, thanks for the help.

Refund any XP awarded after character creation.

Rebuild the character correctly.

Let him spend the awarded XP however he likes.

This is how I do it. If your players are decent people (and I imagine they are), then they will accept that mistakes can be made, even by the GM, and that the earlier they are acknowledged and remedied the easier the campaign will be going forward.