a one hull han can no longer receive a full win against a full health soontir, for example, and will be forced to engage (and probably die) instead of derping around the table forcing the opponent to chase after it

Sabine crew with Connor Net!

a one hull han can no longer receive a full win against a full health soontir, for example, and will be forced to engage (and probably die) instead of derping around the table forcing the opponent to chase after it

Sabine crew with Connor Net!

will never ever be used because miranda does it so much better*

or the ghost, pick your poison

Fat han is still a tough (and annoying) ship to face. Lost a game against him recently and it really reminded me how glad I am he doesn't show up as often.

I faced a Fat Han and 4 X-wing rookies with IA the other day (150 points). I had a mixed Tie list with Vader, Carnor and several juking ships. Autothrusters take some sting out of the Falcon, even with Gunner and in larger games you can throw dice to burn through C-3PO/Evades. It threw some solid punches but went down without too much difficulty.

I've been having a lot of fun running Han with Ezra in the shuttle on Vassal.

The basic truth is that everything in the meta right now is a bad matchup for YT-1300s

• Crack Shot BSP Swarms
• Omega Leader
• Autothruster Fel / Whisper + Palpatine
• TLTs (with or without Stress Hog)
• Autothruster Poe + Regen / Miranda-TLT Regen
• Dual Aggressors with AutoThruster

Everything on this list is a bad match-up for Falcons, and that list represents about 95% of the top meta at tourneys right now.

I've beat all of these with my Double Decimator build which was built to counter all of them.

Crackshot - who cares - 0 agility anyway

Omega leader - Vader Crew still hurts him

Fell/Whisper - Vader crew and ps10 Chiraneau deal with these guys no problem

TLT's - range 1 bubble - no problem

Poe/Miranda - again no trouble

Dual Agressors - no problem either - beat a double agressor B+C build on the final table at last weekends Store Championship to win it 100-25.

*Is it time to start the "Fix the falcon" threads?* /sarcasm

The basic truth is that everything in the meta right now is a bad matchup for YT-1300s

• Crack Shot BSP Swarms
• Omega Leader
• Autothruster Fel / Whisper + Palpatine
• TLTs (with or without Stress Hog)
• Autothruster Poe + Regen / Miranda-TLT Regen
• Dual Aggressors with AutoThruster

Everything on this list is a bad match-up for Falcons, and that list represents about 95% of the top meta at tourneys right now.

I've beat all of these with my Double Decimator build which was built to counter all of them.

Crackshot - who cares - 0 agility anyway

Omega leader - Vader Crew still hurts him

Fell/Whisper - Vader crew and ps10 Chiraneau deal with these guys no problem

TLT's - range 1 bubble - no problem

Poe/Miranda - again no trouble

Dual Agressors - no problem either - beat a double agressor B+C build on the final table at last weekends Store Championship to win it 100-25.

Not to derail this thread, but what was your list?

The basic truth is that everything in the meta right now is a bad matchup for YT-1300s

• Crack Shot BSP Swarms
• Omega Leader
• Autothruster Fel / Whisper + Palpatine
• TLTs (with or without Stress Hog)
• Autothruster Poe + Regen / Miranda-TLT Regen
• Dual Aggressors with AutoThruster

Everything on this list is a bad match-up for Falcons, and that list represents about 95% of the top meta at tourneys right now.

I've beat all of these with my Double Decimator build which was built to counter all of them.

Crackshot - who cares - 0 agility anyway

Omega leader - Vader Crew still hurts him

Fell/Whisper - Vader crew and ps10 Chiraneau deal with these guys no problem

TLT's - range 1 bubble - no problem

Poe/Miranda - again no trouble

Dual Agressors - no problem either - beat a double agressor B+C build on the final table at last weekends Store Championship to win it 100-25.

Not to derail this thread, but what was your list?

Chiraneau with VI and Vader

Oicunn with Predator and Gunner

Here is a link to a quick batrep I did for the day.

http://dockingbay416.com/double-decimators-does-it-again/

Granted it was a small SC but I'll probably be taking the list to another 1 or 2 before Regionals anyway.

I haven't lost a game yet.

I still throw a hull and crew Chewbacca on Han and fly him with a Jan hawk. Makes him a bit more tanky and he hits like a truck.

Back to the topic of the thread. I've run Han and Miranda quite successfully lately.

Han+VI+C3p0+Gunner+Engine Upgrade

Miranda+tlt+chewbacca

Had great success with it even against a 4 tie mini swarm with palpmobile.

I think folks have become afraid to use them due to the points nerf but they are still great ships that you can have success with. TLT's are the least of my worries. Once you get into range 1 behind them, you are home free and they can't do enough damage to you before that happens.

So at the last store Championship I went to, I ran Chewie with Luke and Predator and two TLT Y-wings. Went undefeated in swiss and loss in the top four to a Soontir Chiraneau list. Blanked out a couple shots at range 1 with Chewie that put me at a disadvantage midway through the game. Bad positioning with my Y’s on the initial pass caused my loss. I don’t feel the squad was to blame as a weakness. Plus it flat out murdered a yorr/palp, whisper, and Omega list. No one seemed to know what to do with a Falcon that ran right up and chucked as many die as possible at them. The luke and predator reroll made it a great whisper/soontir killer because It could reliably get a damage through with all that reroll and if it didn’t, a Y could tag them because their token stack was usually spent. Instead of trying to make the falcon live forever and protect the points, I think it is much more viable now as a tough it out hit as hard as possible ship.

Jim your list was the only there I didn't want to take on during that event. I watched all your games and that list is insanely tanky.

I think the decline in the Falcon is just because everyone is so scared of mass TLT and crackswarm.

I flew Han and Jake to an 11th place finish at FFGs store championship out of 87 people and a 9th place finish at Airtraffic's out of 40 people. In those events I lost to Crackswarm once....tabled it with a full win once and never ran into mass TLT the reason I put the Falcon away was the new Glitterstim Crackshot Bots that everyone in the Twin Cities is flying they laugh at Jake even with prockets and after he blows his load he is a BB gun to them. I'm going to test tonight at FFG and your list is top on my list I thought it was really cool and well thought out just need to practice with it.

At the event in the OP I made the finals with Rear Admiral Chir. and Whisper and the guy I was facing had Rear Admiral Chir. and Soontir so I don't think TLTs and Crackswarm are THAT bad for big base lists....I barely lost to a 6 crackswarm and I was able to beat a 7x byinary pirate feedback array list to make it to the final table.....just gotta win matches throw MOV out the window.

No one seemed to know what to do with a Falcon that ran right up and chucked as many die as possible at them. The luke and predator reroll made it a great whisper/soontir killer because It could reliably get a damage through with all that reroll and if it didn’t, a Y could tag them because their token stack was usually spent. Instead of trying to make the falcon live forever and protect the points, I think it is much more viable now as a tough it out hit as hard as possible ship.

I'm far from a Falcon expert, but I think this is the future (maybe that's just me being hopeful). The points fortress might be dead, but there's something to be said for a tough ship that can hurl 4 dice most turns while dodging a few arcs. More Battle of Endor, less escape from the Death Star.

I have won several tournaments with the falcon both before and after 3cpo and engine was included.

It is a strong ship and fun to fly even if it is a pwt. The fact is it's good these new counters exist so the fat build stopped being too good.

Is it the best in current meta? Probably not but it's still on the strong side of ships you can pick. I think the real decline is that when something stops being awesome, alot of players pick something else. This will happen to most popular lists/builds

Planning on flying Chewie and either Eaden or a Fringer in the near future. Do blocks and interference with Chewie running Tactical Jammer and Draw their Fire to let the 2400 use its HLC for as long as Chewie can handle the incoming fire.

I think the Ghost's upgrades might breath some new life into the Falcon. I particularly want to try this:

Han Solo (46)
Push the Limit (3)
Kanan Jarrus (3)
Ezra Bridger (3)
Engine Upgrade (4)
Millennium Falcon (1)

Total: 60

View in Yet Another Squad Builder

I call it the Rear Admiral Han build. Hyper-mobile and **** deadly Falcon. Kanan opens the entire dial up besides the K-turns. Engine is there for even more mobility. With Push, you'll be evading/TL or Evading/Boosting most of the time. Ezra essentially gives you Chiraneau's ability at any range. Go ahead and stress it. You may kill boosting, but it still has the majority of the dial to clear stress and good offense from Ezra.

Still have 40 points to work with.

I think the Ghost's upgrades might breath some new life into the Falcon. I particularly want to try this:

Han Solo (46)

Push the Limit (3)

Kanan Jarrus (3)

Ezra Bridger (3)

Engine Upgrade (4)

Millennium Falcon (1)

Total: 60

View in Yet Another Squad Builder

I call it the Rear Admiral Han build. Hyper-mobile and **** deadly Falcon. Kanan opens the entire dial up besides the K-turns. Engine is there for even more mobility. With Push, you'll be evading/TL or Evading/Boosting most of the time. Ezra essentially gives you Chiraneau's ability at any range. Go ahead and stress it. You may kill boosting, but it still has the majority of the dial to clear stress and good offense from Ezra.

Still have 40 points to work with.

This looks fun but to be honest i'd probably still rather run Chiraneau with Palp and something else. Hard to see the advantages.

Just wait for the inevitable square dish Episode 7 TFA Falcon for the Resistance faction. It is coming out the only question is when, Wave 9 perhaps?

Yeah but with the extra junk it'll be worse than the OT version and the broke the turret so no more shooting out of arc.

I think the Ghost's upgrades might breath some new life into the Falcon. I particularly want to try this:

Han Solo (46)

Push the Limit (3)

Kanan Jarrus (3)

Ezra Bridger (3)

Engine Upgrade (4)

Millennium Falcon (1)

Total: 60

View in Yet Another Squad Builder

I call it the Rear Admiral Han build. Hyper-mobile and **** deadly Falcon. Kanan opens the entire dial up besides the K-turns. Engine is there for even more mobility. With Push, you'll be evading/TL or Evading/Boosting most of the time. Ezra essentially gives you Chiraneau's ability at any range. Go ahead and stress it. You may kill boosting, but it still has the majority of the dial to clear stress and good offense from Ezra.

Still have 40 points to work with.

This looks fun but to be honest i'd probably still rather run Chiraneau with Palp and something else. Hard to see the advantages.

Its slightly tankier being able to evade every turn. The dial is superior and it can handle stress a lot better. PS 9 vs PS 8 is kind of a big thing. You get the luxury of Han's ability and essentially Chiraneau's all in one. True Palp is powerful, but he's also going to make the Decimator more expensive than the Falcon.

No Falcon... this just became NOT a STAR WARS Game... happened a while back.

Don't effect me or the other Cas-Wingers in the slightest, but it still shows how FFG is making bad choices more often... based on that **** tournament mentality.

Thank you designer of the game ruining TIE Phantom... you did great!

No Falcons in a STAR WARS Game is just so propper and correct.

Just wait for the inevitable square dish Episode 7 TFA Falcon for the Resistance faction. It is coming out the only question is when, Wave 9 perhaps?

YUP and with Ren's Pimp-a-bat-shuttle and dat Cog-a-Boom TIE Fo-Fo-FOooo!

Just wait for the inevitable square dish Episode 7 TFA Falcon for the Resistance faction. It is coming out the only question is when, Wave 9 perhaps?

Hopefully never... unless we get Scum Han, Lando, Chewie, and even then, hopefully never. A square dish is insufficient justification to reprint a large ship.

Just wait for the inevitable square dish Episode 7 TFA Falcon for the Resistance faction. It is coming out the only question is when, Wave 9 perhaps?

Hopefully never... unless we get Scum Han, Lando, Chewie, and even then, hopefully never. A square dish is insufficient justification to reprint a large ship.

Well split engines was enough justification to reprint an X-wing.

As for Han well he's dead, oh sorry SPOILER ALERT Han is Kylo Rens Dad!