I weighed in before, but I have a question.

You had only a shuttle.

He had only a falcon.

You were winning...

How did you have your shuttle built so that it cost more than a falcon!? I'm just curious, because that had to be a combination of one fat shuttle against one starved falcon.

I weighed in before, but I have a question.

You had only a shuttle.

He had only a falcon.

You were winning...

How did you have your shuttle built so that it cost more than a falcon!? I'm just curious, because that had to be a combination of one fat shuttle against one starved falcon.

1/2 damage 1/2 points on the falcon i'm sure

I agree with PaulTiberius, upthread: neither of you could break the stalemate without putting yourself at a disadvantage, with the additional caveat that you were ahead on points. I don't think I would have done what you did, but that doesn't mean I'm second-guessing you.

For what it's worth, back in the day I was once in your opponent's position: he could win by using a 1-straight and colliding indefinitely, and I couldn't break the deadlock without flying off the map. Neither one of us had any intention of offering the other an advantage, so we ended up shaking hands and agreeing to report the score as it stood rather than spending the next fifteen minutes iterating through the cycle of each of us refusing to change his maneuver, revealing the unchanged maneuvers to one another, and going back to dials without changing the board state.

I fly the YV666 alot and this stuff happens. I throw AntiPursuit Lasers on now and no one wants to bump me much. (I woulda bumped for 75 minutes if I can win some acrylics)

To the OP, were the two ship bases parallel to each other? If so I think there is a rule that if two ship bases are parallel to each other for two or more turns they are considered to NOT be touching each other. To prevent the exact situation you have described.

So I was at a store tourney and in my second game it came about that I had a shuttle left and my opponent had a falcon left, the way the ships were he couldn't fly past me with out bumping back to where he was without flying off the board, and I was doing stops and 1 forwards which made me bump so we were in a constant stand still, this happened for about four turns, the guy I was playing was cool and he said I could keep doing at as I was winning but I said that was a d**k thing to do so I chose to fly past him and eventually I lost the game. was I right to do this, would anyone have kept the game at a stand still? happy to hear your comments.

Giving away a win in that way is super disrespectful. Just hurry up, see if the dice gods still have a surprise and take your deserved win. Everyone will be happier that way.

To the OP, were the two ship bases parallel to each other? If so I think there is a rule that if two ship bases are parallel to each other for two or more turns they are considered to NOT be touching each other. To prevent the exact situation you have described.

No such thing. Well, there is such thing, but you're misinterpreting it.

It states that if you're facing the same way and parallel you're no longer bumped if you do the same straight maneuver

To the OP, were the two ship bases parallel to each other? If so I think there is a rule that if two ship bases are parallel to each other for two or more turns they are considered to NOT be touching each other. To prevent the exact situation you have described.

No such thing. Well, there is such thing, but you're misinterpreting it.

It states that if you're facing the same way and parallel you're no longer bumped if you do the same straight maneuver

Additionally, it specifically states that if you start out touching and both do 0 stop manuevers, you're still considered to be touching.

I think I need to clarify by keep bumping I mean that we literally stayed where we were, we were diagonal to each other and i had a OGP with palp and sensor jammer he had chewie with lone wolf lando and title, id taken him down to half health, like i sais was a real fun game and i still managed to get thru the rocks turn round and get two rounds of shooting and got chewie down to 2 hull. my post was more to ascertain if ppl thort it was a form of cheating to basically stop a game jus because u can. i always seen that as deliberate stalling but im still happy with the result, plus my opponent was a real gent and id happily play him again.

So I was at a store tourney and in my second game it came about that I had a shuttle left and my opponent had a falcon left, the way the ships were he couldn't fly past me with out bumping back to where he was without flying off the board, and I was doing stops and 1 forwards which made me bump so we were in a constant stand still, this happened for about four turns, the guy I was playing was cool and he said I could keep doing at as I was winning but I said that was a d**k thing to do so I chose to fly past him and eventually I lost the game. was I right to do this, would anyone have kept the game at a stand still? happy to hear your comments.

There is no rule that prevents you from throwing a game. This means you have every right NOT to exploit a clear advantage that requires no trickery or manipulation on your part.

Now to me you may have blown it. If you were going to only gain a modified win then perhaps breaking up the standoff could have been a good move but if you had a full win coming there was no reason to break the standoff except to try and pad a MoV which apparently didn't happen anyway.

You were in a position to win or to try to win more. Your opponent was in a position to lose, lose bigger, or see if you'll get greedy and break away to try to win more. To me your opponent's option was pretty easy to choose so winning by more is all up to you and your ability.

I would have called the TO over and explained the situation.

"If the game were to end now, I would win. If my opponent sets any move that doesn't bump me, he will fly off the board. As long as I keep setting a one forward, we will continue to bump unless he decides to fly off the board. It is not in his best interest to concede and it's not in my best interest to do anything but a one forward. Instead of us needing to continue setting dials for the next 20 minutes can we just end the game now and use the current score?"

I've long argued for a "soft concession" or whatever you'd want to call it that freezes the board state and ends the game as it stands. Of course this type of concession could be rejected requiring play to continue or a full concession be given but this was clearly a game that had reached an impasse and should have just stopped no matter how much time is left on the clock.

Perhaps related to that I believe that two players should be able to agree to cut however many minutes off of a match they want to. If two fortresses face off but no one is going to do anything until there are just 15 minutes left on the clock why go through the motions of doing nothing for 60 minutes first and instead just skip directly to the end game.

I agree with PaulTiberius, upthread: neither of you could break the stalemate without putting yourself at a disadvantage, with the additional caveat that you were ahead on points. I don't think I would have done what you did, but that doesn't mean I'm second-guessing you.

For what it's worth, back in the day I was once in your opponent's position: he could win by using a 1-straight and colliding indefinitely, and I couldn't break the deadlock without flying off the map. Neither one of us had any intention of offering the other an advantage, so we ended up shaking hands and agreeing to report the score as it stood rather than spending the next fifteen minutes iterating through the cycle of each of us refusing to change his maneuver, revealing the unchanged maneuvers to one another, and going back to dials without changing the board state.

Sounds to me like you missed the perfect opportunity for you and your opponent to say "set!" and flip your dials as repeatedly and quickly as you could for 15 minutes straight and set a new record for "rounds played".

here's how i would have handled it: call TO over to show current situation. inform him that you will keep this up to gain the modified win. if your opponent concedes to the modified win, you'll buy him a beer, soda, whatever small 1-2ish dollar trinket as a show of good sportsman ship in letting you guys have a break from a stalemate with you with the upper hand. if the TO is cool with the modified win instead of a concede go for it. it is his call. if he says no, then keep a bumpin or just come to an agreement that this turn takes the remaining time of the game and the 2 of you go have a smoke, a sammich or something, but go together so while you guys are trusting each other, you are also verifying that neither is altering the deal. good sportsmanship like this goes a long way with other players. if it was the second game, thats the perfect time for an extended break that usually only a severely quick tabling can gain you. what say you all?

I wouldn't have moved.

If my opponent puts himself in a position that is likely going to cost him the game, that's on him.

This is what tournaments are about in any competition.

Who is better at making less mistakes

(one way to look at it)

here's how i would have handled it: call TO over to show current situation. inform him that you will keep this up to gain the modified win. if your opponent concedes to the modified win, you'll buy him a beer, soda, whatever small 1-2ish dollar trinket as a show of good sportsman ship in letting you guys have a break from a stalemate with you with the upper hand. if the TO is cool with the modified win instead of a concede go for it. it is his call. if he says no, then keep a bumpin or just come to an agreement that this turn takes the remaining time of the game and the 2 of you go have a smoke, a sammich or something, but go together so while you guys are trusting each other, you are also verifying that neither is altering the deal. good sportsmanship like this goes a long way with other players. if it was the second game, thats the perfect time for an extended break that usually only a severely quick tabling can gain you. what say you all?

I wouldn't do the buy him something, at least not when speaking to the TO. That's honestly not crazy grounds for assuming/judging collusion and bad things happening.

. but is it considered bad sportsmanship to constantly block play in that way

No!

So I was at a store tourney and in my second game it came about that I had a shuttle left and my opponent had a falcon left, the way the ships were he couldn't fly past me with out bumping back to where he was without flying off the board, and I was doing stops and 1 forwards which made me bump so we were in a constant stand still, this happened for about four turns, the guy I was playing was cool and he said I could keep doing at as I was winning but I said that was a d**k thing to do so I chose to fly past him and eventually I lost the game. was I right to do this, would anyone have kept the game at a stand still? happy to hear your comments.

You have no obligation to fly past him and disadvantage yourself. The only thing that would make me consider flying past him would be if I got bored to death bumping for 20 minutes.

I guess I'm a d**k!

I would not have moved. Your opponent made the mistake 1 or 2 turns before the 1st bump.

You should not be punished for you opponents lack of vision.

Eh, if you're ahead on points, in a tournament, and you almost certainly lose if you break the stalemate, absolutely keep the stalemate to time. That's the right choice, you're there to win games, and that's how you do it. If it's an untimed game, absolutely keep the stalemate too; you're winning the game, he's losing, it's up to him to break it, if the only way to continue is either to lose on points forever in an unbreakable stalemate, or to drive off the board, he's lost. You've beaten him.

If you're playing casually in a friendly match, just make a gentlemens' agreement to both concede and start over, because who cares.

And rebember, next time, pack Anti Pursuit Lasers

I guess I'm a d**k!

I would not have moved. Your opponent made the mistake 1 or 2 turns before the 1st bump.

You should not be punished for you opponents lack of vision.

I think we have an answer. The proper response would be to continue choosing a 1 forward. every round. for the next 25 minutes. And every time you flip your dial, in your best Palpatine voice, say loudly "Now you will pay the price for your lack of vision."

How can anybody fault you for that.

I guess I'm a d**k!

I would not have moved. Your opponent made the mistake 1 or 2 turns before the 1st bump.

You should not be punished for you opponents lack of vision.

I think we have an answer. The proper response would be to continue choosing a 1 forward. every round. for the next 25 minutes. And every time you flip your dial, in your best Palpatine voice, say loudly "Now you will pay the price for your lack of vision."

How can anybody fault you for that.

If anyone ever does that to me they become my hero.

I've gotten players salty before using legitimate tactics. Once I got yelled at for killing a Decimator and then point fortressing with an entire swarm. I said that that was what the turret players did, just run when they're up on points, and it just made my opponent angrier.

If a person wants to TIE up all their points in 2 ships then more fool them. Everyone has equal points, if your point sink dies, then too bad I say.

That's the kind of situation that absolutely cries out for Anti Pursuit Lasers.

I guess I'm a d**k!

I would not have moved. Your opponent made the mistake 1 or 2 turns before the 1st bump.

You should not be punished for you opponents lack of vision.

I think we have an answer. The proper response would be to continue choosing a 1 forward. every round. for the next 25 minutes. And every time you flip your dial, in your best Palpatine voice, say loudly "Now you will pay the price for your lack of vision."

How can anybody fault you for that.

I prefer, "Everything that has transpired has done so according to my design".

Victory is much sweeter when you defeat your opponent in spirit in addition to the actual game.

....i'm not sure how to even respond to this; either with sheer awe or dread