I know it's been discussed before, but last night on Sentry box Monday Night X-wing we discussed it again.

So here are the two possible fixes discussed:

Astromech Droid

E-wing only

-1 Pts

Add a Tech Slot to your Ship

or

Modification

E-wing Only

0 Pts

Add a Tech slot to your ship when your Astromech droid is 2 pts or less

Which one does everyone like better. I have my home rules and I'm looking to update them to one to improve the E-wings.

Or do you have another one?

Thanks,

I think a droid is the best way to fix the e wing but the tech slot doesn't help the e wing at all. It should probably just be a e wing only droid that is a minus but doesn't help in any other way. Corran wouldn't take it so it doesn't help him.

Edit: maybe

R8 astromech

-2pts e wing only

add a boost icon to your action bar

I think a droid is the best way to fix the e wing but the tech slot doesn't help the e wing at all. It should probably just be a e wing only droid that is a minus but doesn't help in any other way. Corran wouldn't take it so it doesn't help him.

Edit: maybe

R8 astromech

-2pts e wing only

add a boost icon to your action bar

Really, because now corran gets boost for -2 points.

The tech slow gives them comms relay, and since they have the evade action. Gives them a huge boost in survive ability, plus who know what future Tech may be coming out.

I think a droid is the best way to fix the e wing but the tech slot doesn't help the e wing at all. It should probably just be a e wing only droid that is a minus but doesn't help in any other way. Corran wouldn't take it so it doesn't help him.

Edit: maybe

R8 astromech

-2pts e wing only

add a boost icon to your action bar

That would not work;

at 25 pts you get a T70 with barrel roll and AGI 3 but PS1 and 2 less hit points; plus, the astromech slot is no longer free to use. BNot a good bargain IMO.

I think a droid is the best way to fix the e wing but the tech slot doesn't help the e wing at all. It should probably just be a e wing only droid that is a minus but doesn't help in any other way. Corran wouldn't take it so it doesn't help him.

Edit: maybe

R8 astromech

-2pts e wing only

add a boost icon to your action bar

Really, because now corran gets boost for -2 points.

The tech slow gives them comms relay, and since they have the evade action. Gives them a huge boost in survive ability, plus who know what future Tech may be coming out.

I don't see Corran as a problem now that any defender can double tap as well, and in every ******* turn of the fight.

An upgrade that occupies both the droid and the systems slot (thus making it e-wing only by default), and gives a good benefit but on that is not conducive to the use of Corran's ability, e.g. a bonus for spending focus tokens when attacking, or some repositioning options.

Giving everyone an excellent option that for Corran is just another competing good option (because FCS/R5P9 or R2D2 is an excellent option for him specifically because of his doubletap/run rhythm but only good for everyone else) would be how I'd do it. not sure what that option should be though. Maybe a big modification type effect with a Gunner limitation? Spend a focus token to set all dice to [boom] when attacking, cannot attack again this round.

I think a droid is the best way to fix the e wing but the tech slot doesn't help the e wing at all. It should probably just be a e wing only droid that is a minus but doesn't help in any other way. Corran wouldn't take it so it doesn't help him.

Edit: maybe

R8 astromech

-2pts e wing only

add a boost icon to your action bar

Really, because now corran gets boost for -2 points.

The tech slow gives them comms relay, and since they have the evade action. Gives them a huge boost in survive ability, plus who know what future Tech may be coming out.

I don't see Corran as a problem now that any defender can double tap as well, and in every ******* turn of the fight.

True but remember defenders still have to use a cannon of 3 pts or less, right now they only do one damage if they hit, so not nearly as good as corran.

I see your point; anyway, let's talk about the E-wing only

I think maybe we need something to make it a little more dodgy; that would be something special for rebels who tend to have a lot of sturdy ships, and make it more an interceptor than a multi-role fighter (which slot is already occupied by the T65s and T70s).
But I don't think an astromech is a good idea, as it would erase the point of having an astro slot in the first place. So maybe more a title or modification thingy.
And making it a modification would restrain a certain Corran from taking EU

My other thought was to make e-wings' thing be double attacking. Maybe a e-wing only $thing that lets you attack twice in the attack phase, with the second one being at -1 die - now Corran can choose ot take it, but if he does, and he uses his ability, he costs himself two shots next round not one, and he's not taking the thing in the slot it occupied which makes his ability work well.

I think a droid is the best way to fix the e wing but the tech slot doesn't help the e wing at all. It should probably just be a e wing only droid that is a minus but doesn't help in any other way. Corran wouldn't take it so it doesn't help him.

Edit: maybe

R8 astromech

-2pts e wing only

add a boost icon to your action bar

Really, because now corran gets boost for -2 points.

The tech slow gives them comms relay, and since they have the evade action. Gives them a huge boost in survive ability, plus who know what future Tech may be coming out.

I'm not saying my idea is great (I came up with it in 30sec its not gunna be great) but if that was a thing Corran is still not gunna take it. Corran still takes R2-D2. He dead really fast other wise

I remember being really taken with the whole Space Superiority Fighter concept of both the E Wing and the Tie Defender. I bought them both right away, but I have yet to use my E. I don't think any of us would disagree that Rebel Veterans is sure to tackle the E Wing, and if Imp Vets is any indication it's going to be good.

I really like the idea of the Tech upgrade for the E. I think it fits well with the ship's intended role, and has a lot of room to be explored.

Just needs a free system upgrade like the Tie Adv. Title 0pts "If you equip a system upgrade, it's squad point is reduced by 4".

With Advanced Sensors, it makes them more dodgy, able to BR before moving, or focus, TL, Evade before Kturns. Sensor Jammer makes them a little more tough to kill. That leaves modifications open for EU, or hull, or EI, whatever the player wants to build out.

I remember being really taken with the whole Space Superiority Fighter concept of both the E Wing and the Tie Defender. I bought them both right away, but I have yet to use my E. I don't think any of us would disagree that Rebel Veterans is sure to tackle the E Wing, and if Imp Vets is any indication it's going to be good.

I really like the idea of the Tech upgrade for the E. I think it fits well with the ship's intended role, and has a lot of room to be explored.

You'd be surprised... there's some people convinced that there won't be an E in Rebel Vets (mostly just people that hate EU ships/E-wing in particular).

If you're gonna give them a tech slot the upgrade needs to be just straight up free like with the x1 title, unless they have an E-wing only tech equivalent to ATC. Anything that makes them more expensive is a non-starter.

I feel that an appropriate canon use of the E would be some title which gives a discount/makes free any droid containing "R7" In canon was the R7 droid not created especially for the E-wing.

This could buff regular E-wings but not overly help the R2 loving Corran.

Ewing Series 2

title, 0 points

Nonunique astromechs cost 2 less.

If you have an astromech named R7 equipped, System upgrades cost 2 less.

I admit I'd love system upgrades for the E-wing, but it was done in the TIE Advanced... Sticking by astro upgrades in the hypothetical rebel aces.

Edit to include.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/E-wing_escort_starfighter

"Much of the great cost of the E-wing came from the use of the R7 droid, a much more sophisticated and expensive astromech than the classic R2 and R5 astromechs. Later models of the E-wing starfighters were however able to interface with earlier astromech models, such as an R2 or R5 unit."

Proposal: Title (of course) E-wing Mk1 E-wing only -3 (or 4, or 2) points cost. This card has a negative point cost.

The E-wing is only able to equip R7 Astromech droids in it's astromech slot. Rebel veterans should include a bunch of alternate R7s.

I think a droid is the best way to fix the e wing but the tech slot doesn't help the e wing at all. It should probably just be a e wing only droid that is a minus but doesn't help in any other way. Corran wouldn't take it so it doesn't help him.

Edit: maybe

R8 astromech

-2pts e wing only

add a boost icon to your action bar

Really, because now corran gets boost for -2 points.

The tech slow gives them comms relay, and since they have the evade action. Gives them a huge boost in survive ability, plus who know what future Tech may be coming out.

I don't see Corran as a problem now that any defender can double tap as well, and in every ******* turn of the fight.

One of those attacks is capped at 1 damage however. Also, no FCS unless you are Vessery, but he's a whole other animal. Of course Defenders can't regen either. You got to be very careful with an E-wing fix. You don't want to make Corran unstoppable.

I like the idea of an astromech giving a free tech upgrade. I wish the targeting astro was green maneuvers. That would have been awesome on a Advanced Sensor E-wing.

How about something like this then:

Title
E-wing R7 Interface

-2 Pts

If you take an R7 Astromech add a Tech Slot to your ship.

Ewing only modification:

When you spend a target lock, gain an evade token.

FCS+ R7 astromech

I think a droid is the best way to fix the e wing but the tech slot doesn't help the e wing at all. It should probably just be a e wing only droid that is a minus but doesn't help in any other way. Corran wouldn't take it so it doesn't help him.

Edit: maybe
R8 astromech
-2pts e wing only
add a boost icon to your action bar

Really, because now corran gets boost for -2 points.

The tech slow gives them comms relay, and since they have the evade action. Gives them a huge boost in survive ability, plus who know what future Tech may be coming out.

I don't see Corran as a problem now that any defender can double tap as well, and in every ******* turn of the fight.

One of those attacks is capped at 1 damage however. Also, no FCS unless you are Vessery, but he's a whole other animal. Of course Defenders can't regen either. You got to be very careful with an E-wing fix. You don't want to make Corran unstoppable.

Not really. All you have to do is deny corran Regen. Require R7 series astromechs and/or generic astromechs, and Corran lacks the durability to matter.

How about something like this then:

Title

E-wing r7 Interface

-2 Pts

If you take an R7 Astromech add a Tech Slot to your ship.

-2 points

If you have an R7 astromech equipped, When you spend a target lock aquire a focus token.

I'd just do it simple like the awing fix. -2 points if you don't use the astromech slot. That way it won't help corran. Also it's a very solid ship already no need to add more feautures to it, just cheapen a bit.

Other than a complete redesign, I don't think it can be fixed.

I've repainted it four times, cut the top gun off, shaved down the bizarrely phallic nose cone,weathered them in different ways...it just can't be done.

It's not even a bad sculpt. It has good detail and takes paint well.it's just the whole design of it is silly.

Without getting whole hog into plasticard and green stuff. Or trying the 3D printed variants...the E wing really can not be fixed.

UNFIXABLE.

E-wings should not get the tech slot. It's currently used to set off Force Awakens-era ships from GCW-era ships, and I anticipate that FFG will continue that pattern.

Other than a complete redesign, I don't think it can be fixed.

I've repainted it four times, cut the top gun off, shaved down the bizarrely phallic nose cone,weathered them in different ways...it just can't be done.

It's not even a bad sculpt. It has good detail and takes paint well.it's just the whole design of it is silly.

Without getting whole hog into plasticard and green stuff. Or trying the 3D printed variants...the E wing really can not be fixed.

UNFIXABLE.

I'm sorry...but you say the nose cone is phallic yet I don't see you complaining about the X-Wing, so why does the X-Wing get a free pass?

Ewing fix:

3 new solid pilots.

3 new unique droids that combo with the named pilots. (Maybe 4 so etahn can have fun too)

Cheap astromech droids that combo well with each of the current sensor slot upgrades (adv sensors, fcs, sensor jammer, electronic baffles, adv. scopes...)