The capacity of the internet world to argue incessantly about pretty much ANYTHING never ceases to amaze me.

Let's try an experiment. The sky is blue. Discuss.

Except at sunrise and sunset. Eh

Or when its raining. Or snowing.

And really you could more accurately say that the sky is not inherently any color at all, and is merely a reflection of the earth's water which gives the appearance of color.

Get your facts straight before you say something so inflammatory and incorrect, pleb.

See this guy here knows whats up. He's a rank 1 master league sky guy. Check out his stream on the cloud!

The capacity of the internet world to argue incessantly about pretty much ANYTHING never ceases to amaze me.

Let's try an experiment. The sky is blue. Discuss.

Except at sunrise and sunset.

Or when its raining. Or snowing.

And really you could more accurately say that the sky is not inherently any color at all, and is merely a reflection of the earth's water which gives the appearance of color.

Get your facts straight before you say something so inflammatory and incorrect, pleb.

Listen here, the sky is still blue (albeit a darker blue) at sunrise and sunset, it's only the horizon that isn't.

As for raining and snowing, I would argue you are looking at clouds, which is not, in fact, the sky. Your point is moot.

The sky is in fact blue because blue light is scattered more than other light in our atmosphere. Thus, our atmosphere causes us to see blue light. Thus our sky is blue.

Know your own facts before you insist others get their straight!

Pwned!

Oh snap! Its a sky duel!

Here I am, being the one to come into a Thread and try to find some References for things....

"A clear cloudless day-time sky is blue because molecules in the air scatter blue light from the sun more than they scatter red light. When we look towards the sun at sunset, we see red and orange colours because the blue light has been scattered out and away from the line of sight."


http://spaceplace.nasa.gov/blue-sky/en/

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/General/BlueSky/blue_sky.html

http://www.sciencemadesimple.com/sky_blue.html

Again, you are being intentionally insulting and inflammatory without reason.

Mate, if you're feeling insulted or like the situation is being inflamed, you might want to take a look at your own posts as to the reason why.

I stand by my original post. I stand by my subsequent posts.

It is important that attempts are made to make sure that your opponent, no matter how veteran he is, has a firm grasp of what is in your list.

You're nitpicking the language I used in an earlier post, instead of addressing the issue to hand. If that's the only level you feel comfortable arguing on, then nit-pick away!

But as I asked earlier, why wouldn't you give your opponent a briefing on your list? What have you got to lose? The only answer you gave was in response to a straw-man that you created, so let's set that aside and try again.

Why wouldn't you give your opponent a quick run down on your list before the game starts? And for the slower readers I will reiterate, it's important to read the situation and treat it accordingly. Apparently some people need that to be spelled out for them.

The only answer I've been able to get is that The Eastern King is such a manly man that he's afraid that people might think he's a pansy if he was to give his opponent a run-down on his list.

Seriously, it costs nothing and can avoid hard feelings. There's no downside here.

Here I am, being the one to come into a Thread and try to find some References for things....

"A clear cloudless day-time sky is blue because molecules in the air scatter blue light from the sun more than they scatter red light. When we look towards the sun at sunset, we see red and orange colours because the blue light has been scattered out and away from the line of sight."

http://spaceplace.nasa.gov/blue-sky/en/

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/General/BlueSky/blue_sky.html

http://www.sciencemadesimple.com/sky_blue.html

SKY CHAMPION!

Here I am, being the one to come into a Thread and try to find some References for things....

"A clear cloudless day-time sky is blue because molecules in the air scatter blue light from the sun more than they scatter red light. When we look towards the sun at sunset, we see red and orange colours because the blue light has been scattered out and away from the line of sight."

http://spaceplace.nasa.gov/blue-sky/en/

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/General/BlueSky/blue_sky.html

http://www.sciencemadesimple.com/sky_blue.html

That's what I said!

Here I am, being the one to come into a Thread and try to find some References for things....

"A clear cloudless day-time sky is blue because molecules in the air scatter blue light from the sun more than they scatter red light. When we look towards the sun at sunset, we see red and orange colours because the blue light has been scattered out and away from the line of sight."

http://spaceplace.nasa.gov/blue-sky/en/

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/General/BlueSky/blue_sky.html

http://www.sciencemadesimple.com/sky_blue.html

That's what I said!

But he backed it up with links I didn't click.

I don't care what you have to say. I'm sticking to my original position regardless of whatever so called facts may be brought up.

(Man, it's actually difficult for me to come up with things to say. I was trying to be irrational and offensive, but I guess it's just not in my wheelhouse. Too much effort required.)

I don't care what you have to say. I'm sticking to my original position regardless of whatever so called facts may be brought up.

(Man, it's actually difficult for me to come up with things to say. I was trying to be irrational and offensive, but I guess it's just not in my wheelhouse. Too much effort required.)

Eggzavier, it's quite easy. Just follow this formula:

I THINK ______, SO I'M RIGHT, AND EVERYONE ELSE IS WRONG!!!!

And there you have it, a keyboard warrior on demand.

I... what? What even is this thread anymore?

*takes a deep breath to start singing a bad 70s song*... eh, not worth it this time

Here I am, being the one to come into a Thread and try to find some References for things....

SKY CHAMPION!

Will he do so well at sky regionals?

I mean a store championship is one thing, but Mike "The Sky Guy" McGillicutty is a completely new class of opponent.

I... what? What even is this thread anymore?

*takes a deep breath to start singing a bad 70s song*... eh, not worth it this time

You assume we think those 70s songs are bad in the first place, but in reality, they only make us stronger!!!

@Chuckle - Let's step back and take a fresh look at this.

At the core, I agree with you. I have more fun if my opponent is also having fun. As far as this debate, though, I'm referring to Store Championship and above, which might be our disconnect. For leagues, campaigns or friendly pickup games, I'll even go so far as to give my opponent insight to my strategy. There's nothing on the line and winning or losing has no impact on your next game, so I'd rather my opponent learn more about the game and, as you said, have no surprises.

Store championships are a different beast. There's only one per year. They tend to have a bigger crowd, which can make them more competitive. I still give a full rundown of my list (type of ship and all upgrades as I deploy), but I expect my opponents to all be prepared for that level of competition.

As far as things you could lose:

Time

This is twofold. First, I have two kids under four. Spending an entire Saturday away from my family is a big deal. If I'm choosing to spend that time playing in a competitive event, I'm playing to win. I'm not going to be a jerk about it. I'm still looking to have fun. But I want to win. And not for some sense of puffed up pride or stupid thing like that. I want the cool stuff! And second, you have two hours to complete a game. If you're taking a good amount of time explaining and re-explaining, it's going to slow the game down, and you might not get through all six turns. And losing a turn or two at the end can really swing a game.

Money/Prizes

Every store championship has at least some entry fee. I've seen them ranging from ten bucks to twenty-five. Plus gas and the meal you'll likely end up buying. Again, not huge, but it's still an investment. There's also that store champ swag that will cost you an arm and a leg on eBay (the Raider cards were selling for about $25 a pop). I really like collecting that stuff, so I want to make sure I place high enough to get them.

As a side note, the last one I went to had an entry fee of $10 store credit, so even if you finished dead last you got your money back. That was a nice touch.

Advantage and Preparation

I spend a lot of time gearing up for a store championship. While I'll take any random list to a friendly game to test it out or just goof around, I spend a lot of time debating what build to bring to a competitive event. I'll try to get practice games in to get familiar with the list. I'll study meta trends to try and see how my list might measure up against things I'll likely see. I invest a lot of time and energy into getting ready. If my opponent doesn't take the time to familiarize themselves with things as common as Demolisher, I don't feel it's my duty to guide them through everything. I'll certainly explain any rules, including how they stack, but I'm not going to spend time pointing out the powerful combinations in my list. It's also a double-edged sword. If I'm stressing how powerful Demolisher is, and they spend a lot of their resources targeting it and destroy it before it strikes, then I mop them up with the rest of my fleet because they devoted so much to killing Demolisher, they might feel like I cheated them. Especially if they never saw how destructive Demo is because they killed it so quickly.

As we talked about earlier, though, I'll definitely give a post-game rundown if my opponent is up for it. And that can be very in-depth, time permitting. Tweaks they could make to their list, mistakes I might have noticed, counters to parts of my list they found challenging, etc.

The capacity of the internet world to argue incessantly about pretty much ANYTHING never ceases to amaze me.

Let's try an experiment. The sky is blue. Discuss.

Man, stop patronizing me by telling me what color it has. I am an adult and if I want to know which color you think it has, I will ask you. You telling me without asking is a perfect example of belittling, and that should never take place in a competitive skyduell like the ones I regularly attend. All this unicorn loving rainbow huggers crowding those duells make me sick and should go to elvenland, as I decide who the normal people are and know that they only enjoy the 100% serious skyduells where the blood flows rich, as it pleases Khorne!

Am I doing that right my EasternKing?

Every time he reveals a command, say "interesting..." under your breath.

On the OP's question. I am with Drasnighta on this. There is nothing you can do at the time.

You sadly have to be patient and make the game fun. Make pew pew sounds with your TIEs, play the Imperial March as you move, have fun with it.

If he has issues you can always have them watch a few rules videos *hint hint*

@Chuckle - Let's step back and take a fresh look at this.

Thanks for the cool and collected reply! I'm pretty busy over the weekend but I'll respond when I find some time

Every time he reveals a command, say "interesting..." under your breath.

I do this! I don't do it to be annoying but to get my mind calculating on what is going on. . .

On the OP's question. I am with Drasnighta on this. There is nothing you can do at the time.

You sadly have to be patient and make the game fun. Make pew pew sounds with your TIEs, play the Imperial March as you move, have fun with it.

If he has issues you can always have them watch a few rules videos *hint hint*

I tend to "encourage" my own ships and squadrons. It's a carry over from the days when I used to play Orcs & Goblins and "Waaaagh" at the top of my lungs and shout some orcish encouragement. I've turned the volume down, though.

As far as things you could lose:

Time

I'm not proposing an hour long briefing session before each game. I just got back from a 2 day tournament and prior to each game, gave my opponent a copy of my list, explained anything they had any questions about, asked questions myself, and then ran through my units as I deployed them. All in all it only took maybe three minutes per game. I think if your game has gone to time, it would be an exceedingly rare situation where, if you had NOT spent some time running through your list with your opponent, that that time saved would have been enough to prevent that game from going to time.

Money/Prizes

Advantage and Preparation

I'm putting these together because I think they relate directly to each other.

Yes, you may lose an advantage over your opponent if you explain something he was previously unaware of. Yes, this may mean you are less likely to win that game.

However, in my opinion, it is better to win a game when everyone is making informed decisions and aware of the consequences of their actions, than it is to win a game by taking advantage of a players ignorance or inexperience. Yes, maybe your opponent should take the time to make himself aware of what Demolisher or Screed does, but at the same time maybe he's a busy guy who doesn't have a local group and just wants to play some star wars games. Maybe the only opportunity he gets to play is at tournaments. And at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter what his reason is. No, it's not your job to teach them the rules and about the units in the game. But it is your job to make an effort, prior to the game, to eliminate nasty surprises. Now I don't want to get caught up in semantics and be accused of insisting that you break out the whiteboard and markers to start drawing diagrams and flowcharts for your opponent. It can be as quick and painless as "Here's my list, you can see I've got X, Y, and Z, anything there you're not familiar with?" or however you want to do it. My point is just that it's important that a good faith attempt to avoid rude shocks is made. If you find yourself across from the table from someone who clearly doesn't have much experience, then it's not time to inwardly chuckle and rub your hands in glee, it's time to put your 'kind' hat on and make an attempt to get them onto the right page.

Yes, this might mean you miss out on a prize, but it's only plastic and cardboard. It's not worth the hard feelings that come from hitting someone with a combo they weren't aware of.

When it comes down to it, I feel like Armada doesn't have nearly as many of those nasty surprises as other games. Demolisher is kind of it at this point. Sure, there are lots of effective combinations, but Demo is the only one that you can get hit by and not see coming. Everything else is pretty clear cut.

I get what you're saying, though. I went to a Warmahordes tournament a few years ago. First match was against a kid who started with "Oh cool, I haven't played against Trollbloods before. I'm looking forward to seeing what they can do." Two turns in and we were putting out models back on our trays in silence. He did get to see what the army could do. Of course, that game is all about nasty surprises.

I think we'll just agree to disagree here. Of course, we agree on the main point (it's a game about fun, not stomping faces), which is more important anyway.

The capacity of the internet world to argue incessantly about pretty much ANYTHING never ceases to amaze me.

Let's try an experiment. The sky is blue. Discuss.

Maybe where you live. Where I live, however, the sky is grey on a good day, and brown on a bad one.

The capacity of the internet world to argue incessantly about pretty much ANYTHING never ceases to amaze me.

Let's try an experiment. The sky is blue. Discuss.

Maybe where you live. Where I live, however, the sky is grey on a good day, and brown on a bad one.

Didn't they turn off all the factories that one day and the sky actually was blue?

The capacity of the internet world to argue incessantly about pretty much ANYTHING never ceases to amaze me.

Let's try an experiment. The sky is blue. Discuss.

Maybe where you live. Where I live, however, the sky is grey on a good day, and brown on a bad one.

Do you live in England?

The capacity of the internet world to argue incessantly about pretty much ANYTHING never ceases to amaze me.

Let's try an experiment. The sky is blue. Discuss.

Maybe where you live. Where I live, however, the sky is grey on a good day, and brown on a bad one.

Do you live in England?

I believe D5 is out in China.

Ah. Well that explains it.