A system of regional invitations rather than regional byes might be a good solution.

So someone who finished say 9th out of 32 at a Store Championship should be barred from Regionals? Exactly how is this good for the OP circuit?

If someone isn't willing to set aside a whole day perhaps as much as 12 or so hours to play X-Wing, then the answer is simple. Stay away from large tournaments, you know as opposed to trying to ruin them for everyone else.

Or the current structure could be ruining for everyone else. You realize your perspective isn't the only one?

Or the current structure could be ruining for everyone else.

Based on the number of people I've seen having fun at tournaments, and those keep getting bigger... And the responses on this form, I'd say it's painfully clear that, no it's not.

Edit: I could see limiting Store Championships to say 64 people or less. I don't think many stores can support that many anyway.

But limiting it to 4 rounds of swiss and cutting to the top 2, is not conducive to a competitive circuit.

12+ hours for a Store Championship is nuts. With all the anecdotes about store championship matches running past 12, you have to keep in mind that the store has to actually stay open for that. Either the owners are staying late, or their employees are getting paid overtime.

But ultimately, it's on the venue to find their own ways to limit that. The biggest option to them is to simply cap turnout at the event. That keeps everything manageable.

If they won't do that, then it's on them to ensure that the event is run in such a way that a clear winner can emerge. The FFG system is pretty good for that. Long tourneys are exhausting, but that's also how you separate the wheat from the chaff. The best players are the ones who can push through that.

A system of regional invitations rather than regional byes might be a good solution.

So someone who finished say 9th out of 32 at a Store Championship should be barred from Regionals? Exactly how is this good for the OP circuit?

If someone isn't willing to set aside a whole day perhaps as much as 12 or so hours to play X-Wing, then the answer is simple. Stay away from large tournaments, you know as opposed to trying to ruin them for everyone else.

In a lot of areas, there are more than one Store Championship. Beyond that, most of the players I know would drop after Swiss if they already had an invite. Our community is inclusive like that, one of the reasons that this game is growing like crazy and people from all over the world are willing to travel to Minnesota in the middle of winter to play with plastic ships.

Or the current structure could be ruining for everyone else.

Based on the number of people I've seen having fun at tournaments, and those keep getting bigger... And the responses on this form, I'd say it's painfully clear that, no it's not.

Edit: I could see limiting Store Championships to say 64 people or less. I don't think many stores can support that many anyway.

But limiting it to 4 rounds of swiss and cutting to the top 2, is not conducive to a competitive circuit.

Again it is a self-fulling perspective that you have. I've also seen it the exact opposite. After 6 straight rounds of x-wing...I've also seen **** I made the cut how unlucky. You should be happy to make it to the finals and not dreading it.

A system of regional invitations rather than regional byes might be a good solution.

So someone who finished say 9th out of 32 at a Store Championship should be barred from Regionals? Exactly how is this good for the OP circuit?

If someone isn't willing to set aside a whole day perhaps as much as 12 or so hours to play X-Wing, then the answer is simple. Stay away from large tournaments, you know as opposed to trying to ruin them for everyone else.

Or the current structure could be ruining for everyone else. You realize your perspective isn't the only one?

Which is funny, since you posited that the current format could be ruining it for everyone. So, might want to take your own advice. But, you need to consider that big tournaments are just not for you. Which is fine. But acknowledging that fact and not going to those tournaments is a better idea than trying to twist the game into something it isn't.

Or the current structure could be ruining for everyone else.

Based on the number of people I've seen having fun at tournaments, and those keep getting bigger... And the responses on this form, I'd say it's painfully clear that, no it's not.

Edit: I could see limiting Store Championships to say 64 people or less. I don't think many stores can support that many anyway.

But limiting it to 4 rounds of swiss and cutting to the top 2, is not conducive to a competitive circuit.

I think a few Store Championships have had physical limits far less than 64. So, not a big issue. People should be celebrating the fact that a Store Championship got 50+ people. That is a tremendously good sign for the game. It will be awesome to see how many people are drawn to Regionals.

The biggest option to them is to simply cap turnout at the event. That keeps everything manageable.

For the store, sure it's going to cost them to stay open that late, but each person walking in is a potential repeat customer. So a single late night may well be worth the price.

In a lot of areas, there are more than one Store Championship. Beyond that, most of the players I know would drop after Swiss if they already had an invite.

So in the name of fixing a non-existent problem you want to make the Store Championship more complex by having the top players drop from the swiss rounds? Which not only makes it more complex defeats the whole point for most of us who go to them...

Here's an idea. Let Regionals remain open to everyone and if you don't like 100+ person tournaments don't go. Myself and I'd dare say most of the other people posting here, we like going to regionals because it's a day full of X-Wing with a ton of other people.

If there's more people than whoever is hosting the regionals can cope with, then it's up to them to fix it. But that is not an issue that FFG needs to address.

You should be happy to make it to the finals and not dreading it.

If making the final is a burden to you, then you shouldn't be at the event in the first place. Either day long events are for you... Or you have a TO who's not doing a very good job.

Either way, it's not FFG's problem and not evidence that anything needs to change.

You should be happy to make it to the finals and not dreading it.

If making the final is a burden to you, then you shouldn't be at the event in the first place. Either day long events are for you... Or you have a TO who's not doing a very good job.

Either way, it's not FFG's problem and not evidence that anything needs to change.

Yes Master! Anywhere else you don't want us to be? Maybe you could build a Wall?

Discuss.

So now xwing players are smelly?

Wow! You're really pulling out of your social graces aren't you...

I think in front of a computer screen playing vassel is probably the best place for an uncultured troll like you.

I honestly don't think you have a problem with me Soontir...but you seem to have a problem with the truth. Fact, human beings aren't smell neutral. Put a lot of human beings in a warm, cramped space for multiple hours and smells will occur. Not a diss to anyone...I am sure I didn't smell my best after 12 hours.

Again, I believe, and I am not the only one...that 6-7 rounds and cutting to a top 8 or 16 is too much for one day. I am expressing this belief...FFG can consider changing tournament structures or continue them. If they want to keep people like me in these tournament they will change. If not I will move on...and I'll do it without calling anyone any names. Peace out.

I don't have a problem with you per se - I do have a problem with anyone casting generic assertions about a group of people with absolutely no backing...

So far we have, serious gamers have no life and Xwing players smell...

How inflammatory to ponce around on a board for a game and directly slag off the fab base...

Anywhere else you don't want us to be?

You came here asked a question, got an answer and proceed to argue the point because you didn't like the answer you got.

You don't like how the tournaments are run, pretty much everyone else is fine with it. So unless you believe that the majority should suffer due to the preferences of the minority, then you got your answer.

If you don't like tournaments don't go to them. If that offends you, frankly I couldn't care less, because based on your attitude in this thread I'm not sure anyone would miss you...

Anywhere else you don't want us to be?

You came here asked a question, got an answer and proceed to argue the point because you didn't like the answer you got.

You don't like how the tournaments are run, pretty much everyone else is fine with it. So unless you believe that the majority should suffer due to the preferences of the minority, then you got your answer.

If you don't like tournaments don't go to them. If that offends you, frankly I couldn't care less, because based on your attitude in this thread I'm not sure anyone would miss you...

No I got a lot of answers many agreeing with me. Yours is only the least relevant.

So, explain why the game needs to be twisted to meet the requirements of people apparently too fickle to play as intended?

I'll put my hat in the 'least relevant' pile too then please - looking at your attitude and demeanour I'd rather take a dump in my model case over even contemplating playing a game against you...

No I got a lot of answers many agreeing with me.

2-3 people who sort of agree with you is many? I see...

So, explain why the game needs to be twisted to meet the requirements of people apparently too fickle to play as intended?

It has never been about playing the game as intended...it is because playing a game for 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17 hours is way too long for many people (not just me). The likes of Soontir and Vanor shows exactly how welcoming and understanding some in the community actually are. They don't care how the game effects others as long as it doesn't bother their perceived perfect little world.

capping the time to set your dial (or choose your free actions) doesn't need to be a hard cap with real clocks. it could just be a soft guideline (part of the FFG guidelines) to x time per ship. so, if you feel your opponent is taking too long turn after turn, you can take out your smartphone timer and point out he's taking a bit too long, and if he ignores you you can call the TO over.

with x time per ship soft guideline, swarms are not penalized, but people who take ages to set their dial and decide their action with 2-3 ships will not lengthen the turn time. Then perhaps you can slightly decrease down from 75. even 5-10 min per round in 6 swiss rounds can shave 30-60 min.

you play 6 swiss rounds and then cut to top 8, the winner is probably the guy who has most mental endurance, not necessarily the most brilliant player (who maybe is too tired to think straight anymore).

So, explain why the game needs to be twisted to meet the requirements of people apparently too fickle to play as intended?

If you could point to the majority thinking that 10+ hours is too long, then there would be something to look into.

But considering that two years ago, most store championships were a day, and this last year they were even bigger, with more of them, and Regionals is looking to be quite a bit bigger this year than last year....

It's fairly clear that most people are fine with how they're going.

You realize your perspective isn't the only one?

I just wanted to quote this part. You know, for the irony.

It has never been about playing the game as intended...

Are you just clueless or being intentionally obtuse? The game is intended to be played with 4-6 swiss rounds and a cut to the top 8 for most store championships.

That's how it's intended to be played...

So when you come here demanding it be changed for a very small % of the people playing in these events, you need to prove that doing so would make the OP circuit better not worse. Something you haven't even come close to doing.

the winner is probably the guy who has most mental endurance

Mental endurance is part of what makes someone a good tournament player. Sure someone else may may be better for a single game, then again maybe they're just lucky.

The point of a tournament is to find the person who at the end of the game can still play better than the other person.

with x time per ship soft guideline, swarms are not penalized, but people who take ages to set their dial and decide their action with 2-3 ships will not lengthen the turn time.

The TO can already look at a game and decide that someone is taking too long to set their dials as is.

It has never been about playing the game as intended...

Are you just clueless or being intentionally obtuse? The game is intended to be played with 4-6 swiss rounds and a cut to the top 8 for most store championships.

That's how it's intended to be played...

So when you come here demanding it be changed for a very small % of the people playing in these events, you need to prove that doing so would make the OP circuit better not worse. Something you haven't even come close to doing.

First off, you don't know if it is a small percentage or not. Second, I have no problem with what the majority wants to do...have a vote of every single x-player and then you can talk to me about percentages.

Would you rather play in a 4 round swiss tourney cutting to a top 4...a 6 round tourney...highest mov winner...or a 6 round tourney cutting to a top 8 or a 7 or 8 round tourney cutting to a top 16?

I rather play a 4 round swiss cutting to a top 4.

First off, you don't know if it is a small percentage or not.

Actually I do. I can look at this thread and treat it like a poll and see that most people who play at store championships and beyond are fine with it.

I can look at how store championships and regionals are getting more and more people at them each year and use that to prove that the people who keep coming are fine with it as is.

The whole of the X-Wing community doesn't matter only those who actually want to go to things like Store Championships and Regionals, something most people actually don't want to do.

You on the other hand have no evidence to support the idea that fewer rounds would be better for the competitive circuit.

Since you're the one asking for things to change, the burden of proving it would be an improvement is on you not me.