My personal opinion aside, the current tournament organization cannot sustain popularity of this magnitude.

Other than your personal opinion, what fact-based and empirical evidence do you have to support this?

The tourney organization will get the structure down. You've got to give them more time!

You may not want to drive 4 hours round-trip twice, but I am sure that some people potentially attending the event you are referencing would rather do that than have to drive a long distance after being awake for 20 hours. There are arguments for both formats.

I completely understand why they are doing it, this way both the players and TOs will be fresh when they play the final games, I was just saying making it 2 days kept me from going and I know some other people that could have gone if it was 1 day but due to families or work cannot do a 2 day event. It is cool though now I can use one of my free Saturdays to go to an epic tournament which will be a lot more casual and probably more enoyable than regionals.

A big part of the tournament that a lot of people I think don't understand is endurance it's not just about having the best list. Long distance runners train hard to make sure they can go the distance. Or they won't show up to the competition. When the do they are often the ones past out on the side of the road after 1 kilometer. The same rule can be applied to X Wing if you can't go the distance stick to local tournaments.

This only applies if the store champ is run on time and by an efficient TO. Not a tournament like the original post. That was like a runner being told it was a 10k run only to find out at the finish line he had to run another 10k because of a mistake the organizer made

A big part of the tournament that a lot of people I think don't understand is endurance it's not just about having the best list. Long distance runners train hard to make sure they can go the distance. Or they won't show up to the competition. When the do they are often the ones past out on the side of the road after 1 kilometer. The same rule can be applied to X Wing if you can't go the distance stick to local tournaments.

This only applies if the store champ is run on time and by an efficient TO. Not a tournament like the original post. That was like a runner being told it was a 10k run only to find out at the finish line he had to run another 10k because of a mistake the organizer made

X-wing shouldn't be about being like a long distance run. Long distance runs are for serious athletes pushing their bodies to the limit...x wing is a game that is meant to be fun. I feel sorry for you if you've lost sight of that.

A big part of the tournament that a lot of people I think don't understand is endurance it's not just about having the best list. Long distance runners...

Ha. X-Wing is not an athletic event. It is also not a competition to see who can stay awake until 2am. I would be willing to bet anything that I own that the game designers never factored fatigue into the design process.

Yeah why not compare it to boxing? Who ever can knock their opponent out wins and moves to the next round!! Seriously crazy!!

Mental endurance is very important in tournaments. Yes, being able to keep your mind clear is just as important as list building when participating in a tournament.

marathon is about endurance or constant effort

100 meter is about...speed, maximum effort

mental endurance and mental agility (skill/intelligence/brilliance). yes we need both. but one can have more of one or the other. some lists require more mental agility than others

Mental endurance is very important in tournaments. Yes, being able to keep your mind clear is just as important as list building when participating in a tournament.

I agree that mental endurance is a big part of the current tournament environment, but I guess I don't see a compelling reason why that should be the case. Generally, when you're trying to assess a variable or construct like skill, fatigue is considered a confounding factor rather than an important aspect of the construct itself.

6 or 7 rounds of Swiss is a test of mental endurance. More than that is a test of who is better at handling torture.

6 or 7 rounds of Swiss is a test of mental endurance. More than that is a test of who is better at handling torture.

if you make these polarizing comments you will not win any agreement from other players.

I like playing 6 rounds, but yes I think it's a bit too much and would welcome some changes, especially if I made it to the cut which means even longer playing.

too much emphasys on endurance vs skill, is what I think.

I dont think you gotta be so extreme. I like playing long sessions, i have attended a couple of mtg Grand Prix which have been two days, granted i enjoyed it more with some bye rounds.

I dont see the problem on the number of rounds you have to play on a torunament, as mentioned before if there are high number of players you need that many rounds. On the other hand i prefer the rounds to be faster, i dont like how much a round take, how much a tournament with few rounds take when a round is just a game. That is why i say i want the metagame to evolve to a faster pace of game.

I have had good finishes in stores, and i dont enjoy it that much, as also mentioned mov change just moved sink points to small ships but you still have those kind of ships and those kind of games. May be ordnance makes it faster who knows but usually games tend to stall or goes to infinite if you fight 4TLT Y-wings draining you or you draining them.

I dont think you can argue that the number of rounds needed to play in a tournament is too much when it has a great balance.

do basketball players play the entire league in one or two days, from early morning to past midnight?

Is that a sports-ing thing?

Well, the MI Regional has a start time of 9 am. Which is a good start time for when they are expecting over a hundred players.

A big part of the tournament that a lot of people I think don't understand is endurance it's not just about having the best list. Long distance runners train hard to make sure they can go the distance. Or they won't show up to the competition. When the do they are often the ones past out on the side of the road after 1 kilometer. The same rule can be applied to X Wing if you can't go the distance stick to local tournaments.

This only applies if the store champ is run on time and by an efficient TO. Not a tournament like the original post. That was like a runner being told it was a 10k run only to find out at the finish line he had to run another 10k because of a mistake the organizer made

X-wing shouldn't be about being like a long distance run. Long distance runs are for serious athletes pushing their bodies to the limit...x wing is a game that is meant to be fun. I feel sorry for you if you've lost sight of that.

Here's the thing. X-Wimg is about fun. If your issue is that long tournaments aren't fun then there is nothing stopping you from dropping when you get tired.

If the complaint is that people need mental endurance to win a tournament then I don't understand. The long distance running analogy is very useful here. If someone is trying to have the attitude that they want to win tournaments, then doing all of the secondary things that relate to playing x-wing become very important.

A big part of the tournament that a lot of people I think don't understand is endurance it's not just about having the best list. Long distance runners train hard to make sure they can go the distance. Or they won't show up to the competition. When the do they are often the ones past out on the side of the road after 1 kilometer. The same rule can be applied to X Wing if you can't go the distance stick to local tournaments.

This only applies if the store champ is run on time and by an efficient TO. Not a tournament like the original post. That was like a runner being told it was a 10k run only to find out at the finish line he had to run another 10k because of a mistake the organizer made

X-wing shouldn't be about being like a long distance run. Long distance runs are for serious athletes pushing their bodies to the limit...x wing is a game that is meant to be fun. I feel sorry for you if you've lost sight of that.

If you want to do 3-round quick tournaments, just play local kit things and don't worry about store champs/regionals.

You're not going to see store champs/regionals be like that because their attendance is a lot higher and you need more rounds to sort it out.

A big part of the tournament that a lot of people I think don't understand is endurance it's not just about having the best list. Long distance runners train hard to make sure they can go the distance. Or they won't show up to the competition. When the do they are often the ones past out on the side of the road after 1 kilometer. The same rule can be applied to X Wing if you can't go the distance stick to local tournaments.

This only applies if the store champ is run on time and by an efficient TO. Not a tournament like the original post. That was like a runner being told it was a 10k run only to find out at the finish line he had to run another 10k because of a mistake the organizer made

X-wing shouldn't be about being like a long distance run. Long distance runs are for serious athletes pushing their bodies to the limit...x wing is a game that is meant to be fun. I feel sorry for you if you've lost sight of that.

Here's the thing. X-Wimg is about fun. If your issue is that long tournaments aren't fun then there is nothing stopping you from dropping when you get tired.

If the complaint is that people need mental endurance to win a tournament then I don't understand. The long distance running analogy is very useful here. If someone is trying to have the attitude that they want to win tournaments, then doing all of the secondary things that relate to playing x-wing become very important.

A big part of the tournament that a lot of people I think don't understand is endurance it's not just about having the best list. Long distance runners train hard to make sure they can go the distance. Or they won't show up to the competition. When the do they are often the ones past out on the side of the road after 1 kilometer. The same rule can be applied to X Wing if you can't go the distance stick to local tournaments.

This only applies if the store champ is run on time and by an efficient TO. Not a tournament like the original post. That was like a runner being told it was a 10k run only to find out at the finish line he had to run another 10k because of a mistake the organizer made

X-wing shouldn't be about being like a long distance run. Long distance runs are for serious athletes pushing their bodies to the limit...x wing is a game that is meant to be fun. I feel sorry for you if you've lost sight of that.

If you want to do 3-round quick tournaments, just play local kit things and don't worry about store champs/regionals.

You're not going to see store champs/regionals be like that because their attendance is a lot higher and you need more rounds to sort it out.

And that is why more and more of these events in the future will lean toward multiple day events

I wonder if more pre-registration would help out. Get everyone signed up ahead of time, get your pairings done the day before, and hit the ground running the day of.

Yeah, you can't expect a large number of gamers to be that punctual.

Yeah, you can't expect a large number of gamers to be that punctual.

Sure you can. If at one event, given that the organizers gave sufficient notice about the policies and provided ample time to pre-reg and to set up at your table, that anyone not registered and ready to go at the start time, gets an automatic round loss, 200-0. The problem would solve itself pretty darn quickly.

I wonder if more pre-registration would help out. Get everyone signed up ahead of time, get your pairings done the day before, and hit the ground running the day of.

Might help, but roughly 10% are no-shows. That'll mess up things.

Yeah, between no shows, walk ups, and late gamers, the first round is basically fubar.

Championships level events (Store, Regional, Worlds) are going to be long. I too feel like the casual events often go past the point of fun. 3 or 4 games is a manageable amount of time. My area is starting to have league nights. Ever Wednesday you play 1 game. Best records/MOV at the end of the month gets prizes.

Mental endurance is very important in tournaments. Yes, being able to keep your mind clear is just as important as list building when participating in a tournament.

I agree that mental endurance is a big part of the current tournament environment, but I guess I don't see a compelling reason why that should be the case. Generally, when you're trying to assess a variable or construct like skill, fatigue is considered a confounding factor rather than an important aspect of the construct itself.

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A big part of the tournament that a lot of people I think don't understand is endurance it's not just about having the best list. Long distance runners train hard to make sure they can go the distance. Or they won't show up to the competition. When the do they are often the ones past out on the side of the road after 1 kilometer. The same rule can be applied to X Wing if you can't go the distance stick to local tournaments.

This only applies if the store champ is run on time and by an efficient TO. Not a tournament like the original post. That was like a runner being told it was a 10k run only to find out at the finish line he had to run another 10k because of a mistake the organizer made

X-wing shouldn't be about being like a long distance run. Long distance runs are for serious athletes pushing their bodies to the limit...x wing is a game that is meant to be fun. I feel sorry for you if you've lost sight of that.

If you want to do 3-round quick tournaments, just play local kit things and don't worry about store champs/regionals.

You're not going to see store champs/regionals be like that because their attendance is a lot higher and you need more rounds to sort it out.

And that is why more and more of these events in the future will lean toward multiple day events

I hope not I do have a life out side of X Wing

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