IMO, as there is currently no rules definition of 'when attacking', it could easily be interpreted as 'when you perform the steps Roll Attack Dice and Modify Attack Dice' with the corresponding steps for the defense dice representing 'when defending'. or it could equally easily be interpreted to mean 'when you perform the whole attack sequence'.

The Inquisitor's ability affects the range of his attack; autothrusters has nothing to do with the range of the attack, it has to do with the physical distance between the Inquisitor and his target.

No, it does not. Autothrusters is clearly measuring from the attacker.

Let me repeat, or you can go back and read the card: Autothrusters is measuring from the attacker.

(Contrast with, say, Carnor Jax, which is measuring from Carnor Jax.)

You are measuring from the attacker, during an attack. Inquisitor (you know, the attacker you're measuring from?) treats the range of the attack as 1.

Autothrusters does not apply. Frank got it wrong (it happens), and it will almost certainly be corrected.

What part of "when defending" and "if you are beyond range 2" suggests to you that you are using the attacker's version of distance? You're measuring the distance between the two ships, not "measuring from the attacker," or using the "attack range." Nothing on the card says you're "measuring from the attacker."

The card could say "If you are attacked from beyond Range 2," but it doesn't. It says, "if you are beyond Range 2." AT literally doesn't mention the attacker at all, except in reference to the attacker's firing arc.

I keep coming back to this thread because I think people are talking about the TAP as a ship... My mistake...

Furthermore, the rules reference, under "Range," defines "beyond" as: "A ship is beyond a specified range if no part of its base falls between Range 1 and the specified range." Thus, AT is triggered if no part of the ship with AT's base falls between Range 1 and the specified range.

Inquisitor's ability doesn't change where the base of the defender's ship is.

I keep coming back to this thread because I think people are talking about the TAP as a ship... My mistake...

The unofficial name for the ship since Tie Advanced Prototype is a lot of typing and can easily be mistaken for the Wave 1 Tie Advanced.

So we just call it TAP instead.

I keep coming back to this thread because I think people are talking about the TAP as a ship... My mistake...

TAP is really good.

There you go.

Your manner of argument is pretty poor - you are in the wrong here and, I'd go as far as the wording on the cards is very clear that you are wrong... Maybe rather than admonishing others on their grasp of English you could work harder on trying to act like a civil human being.

My manor of argument is meant to be humors, and not at anyone's expense. The written language is often a difficult vehicle for sarcasm and humor. My apologies to anyone I offended.

Here's the thing gang, the cards are pretty clear. Autothrusters works outside of arc and/or beyond range 2. The Inquisitor turns all attacks he makes into a range 1 attack. I'm not making up words here, just reading the cards.

"treat the range of the attack as range 1". Autothrusters clearly states "When defending if you are beyond range 2" If The Inquisitor is shooting at you, you are NEVER beyond range 2. Could FFG not rule it this way? Sure... we will have to wait till the ship actually comes out and there is a FAQ. But purely reading the cards, I find it straight forward.

The Inquisitor's ability affects the range of his attack; autothrusters has nothing to do with the range of the attack, it has to do with the physical distance between the Inquisitor and his target.

No, it does not. Autothrusters is clearly measuring from the attacker.

Let me repeat, or you can go back and read the card: Autothrusters is measuring from the attacker.

(Contrast with, say, Carnor Jax, which is measuring from Carnor Jax.)

You are measuring from the attacker, during an attack. Inquisitor (you know, the attacker you're measuring from?) treats the range of the attack as 1.

Autothrusters does not apply. Frank got it wrong (it happens), and it will almost certainly be corrected.

You're wrong, so very wrong. Emailed confirmation, numerous replies to the contrary and you still think you're right? You aren't - you're wrong...

The Inquisitor might be treating the attack as range 1 (using the wording from the card) but the defender can still be beyond range 2 at measurement...

Like, I can treat you like an intellectual equal with valid arguments to add to this conversation, but you would still actually be a stubborn troll unwilling or unable to accept he is wrong.

*shrug*

If you're proxying Inquisitor, I highly recommend you assume he turns off ATs. It's the only ruling that makes sense, and you'll have less to un-learn when a new FAQ is released.

Otherwise, hey, whatever floats your boat.

Your manner of argument is pretty poor - you are in the wrong here and, I'd go as far as the wording on the cards is very clear that you are wrong... Maybe rather than admonishing others on their grasp of English you could work harder on trying to act like a civil human being.

My manor of argument is meant to be humors, and not at anyone's expense. The written language is often a difficult vehicle for sarcasm and humor. My apologies to anyone I offended.

Here's the thing gang, the cards are pretty clear. Autothrusters works outside of arc and/or beyond range 2. The Inquisitor turns all attacks he makes into a range 1 attack. I'm not making up words here, just reading the cards.

"treat the range of the attack as range 1". Autothrusters clearly states "When defending if you are beyond range 2" If The Inquisitor is shooting at you, you are NEVER beyond range 2. Could FFG not rule it this way? Sure... we will have to wait till the ship actually comes out and there is a FAQ. But purely reading the cards, I find it straight forward.

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You ARE beyond range two - get out your ruler and measure it... You just 'treat' it as range 1 for your attack (ie plus one dice)

Your manner of argument is pretty poor - you are in the wrong here and, I'd go as far as the wording on the cards is very clear that you are wrong... Maybe rather than admonishing others on their grasp of English you could work harder on trying to act like a civil human being.

My manor of argument is meant to be humors, and not at anyone's expense. The written language is often a difficult vehicle for sarcasm and humor. My apologies to anyone I offended.

Here's the thing gang, the cards are pretty clear. Autothrusters works outside of arc and/or beyond range 2. The Inquisitor turns all attacks he makes into a range 1 attack. I'm not making up words here, just reading the cards.

"treat the range of the attack as range 1". Autothrusters clearly states "When defending if you are beyond range 2" If The Inquisitor is shooting at you, you are NEVER beyond range 2. Could FFG not rule it this way? Sure... we will have to wait till the ship actually comes out and there is a FAQ. But purely reading the cards, I find it straight forward.

Except, as I pointed out on the previous page, "beyond range 2" references the base of the ship, not some other ship's special rule.

Threads like this make me weep for the idiocy present in our species...

Here's the thing gang, the cards are pretty clear. Autothrusters works outside of arc and/or beyond range 2. The Inquisitor turns all attacks he makes into a range 1 attack. I'm not making up words here, just reading the cards.

"treat the range of the attack as range 1". Autothrusters clearly states "When defending if you are beyond range 2" If The Inquisitor is shooting at you, you are NEVER beyond range 2. Could FFG not rule it this way? Sure... we will have to wait till the ship actually comes out and there is a FAQ. But purely reading the cards, I find it straight forward.

Except, as I pointed out on the previous page, "beyond range 2" references the base of the ship, not some other ship's special rule.

I get where you are coming from. What I'm point out is the actual wording on The Inquisitors' card. It does not say, +1 attack die. It clearly states "treat the range of the attack as range 1". A range 1 attack, in arc, negates autothrusters.

I find rudolph amusing, love the idea after the first TLT shot boost into R1 or against a crack swarm BR out of arc or beyond R3.

And Inquisitor keeps the thrill alive of low hitpoints high/action economy/good dial imps are respected for.

Only pre ordered one expansion but I'll proxy something like this for the lols:

Valen Rudor — TIE Advanced Prototype 22

Juke 2

XX-23 S-Thread Tracers 1

Autothrusters 2

TIE/v1 1

Sienar Test Pilot — TIE Advanced Prototype 16

Concussion Missiles 4

Guidance Chips 0

Sienar Test Pilot — TIE Advanced Prototype 16

Concussion Missiles 4

Guidance Chips 0

Sienar Test Pilot — TIE Advanced Prototype 16

Concussion Missiles 4

Guidance Chips 0

Academy Pilot — TIE Fighter 12

Thank you FFG.

Before I retire to bed, let me ask you...

Your Inquisitor shoots and kills my z-95 at range 3 (but range 1 because of his pilot ability). Z-95 has dead man's switch, as he explodes he does 1 damage to each ship at range 1 - can i put this damage on to your Inquisitor? The explosion happens as soon as I'm destroyed, interrupting other events... That's fine, right?

Before I retire to bed, let me ask you...

Your Inquisitor shoots and kills my z-95 at range 3 (but range 1 because of his pilot ability). Z-95 has dead man's switch, as he explodes he does 1 damage to each ship at range 1 - can i put this damage on to your Inquisitor? The explosion happens as soon as I'm destroyed, interrupting other events... That's fine, right?

Mic drop

Another -

Your Inquisitor shoots my Carnor Jax at range 3 (but range 1 because of your ability), do you agree that you cannot spend focus tokens on that attack as you are now 'range 1'?

Before I retire to bed, let me ask you...

Your Inquisitor shoots and kills my z-95 at range 3 (but range 1 because of his pilot ability). Z-95 has dead man's switch, as he explodes he does 1 damage to each ship at range 1 - can i put this damage on to your Inquisitor? The explosion happens as soon as I'm destroyed, interrupting other events... That's fine, right?

Deadman Switch is neither during an attack, nor measured from the attacker.

Carnor Jax's ability is neither during an attack, nor measured from the attacker.

There is a serious distinction here that seems to be elusive to some folks.

Before I retire to bed, let me ask you...

Your Inquisitor shoots and kills my z-95 at range 3 (but range 1 because of his pilot ability). Z-95 has dead man's switch, as he explodes he does 1 damage to each ship at range 1 - can i put this damage on to your Inquisitor? The explosion happens as soon as I'm destroyed, interrupting other events... That's fine, right?

Deadman Switch is neither during an attack, nor measured from the attacker.

Carnor Jax's ability is neither during an attack, nor measured from the attacker.

There is a serious distinction here that seems to be elusive to some folks.

Where does it say autothrusters is "during an attack"?

Where does it say autothrusters is "measured from the attacker"?

But dude...

You're AT range 1?! If you're range 1 to me then I must be range 1 to you, no?

Or do you mean, because these are measured from the other ship and not the Inquisitor? If so, I can measure AT range FROM my ship to yours, same as Carnor and DMS...

Where does it say autothrusters is "during an attack"?

Where does it say autothrusters is "measured from the attacker"?

Just so I'm clear, you don't think "when defending" is "during an attack"?

And, just so I'm clear, you don't think "when defending" and "beyond range 2" is "measured from the attacker"?

Just trying to be very sure that's what you're saying.

Again, seriously, whatever floats your boat. It really doesn't matter to me how you play. Just be ready to change how you play, if you want to conform to the rules, because the way you're doing it now is not the way it's going to shake out.

Where does it say autothrusters is "during an attack"?

Where does it say autothrusters is "measured from the attacker"?

Just so I'm clear, you don't think "when defending" is "during an attack"?

And, just so I'm clear, you don't think "when defending" and "beyond range 2" is "measured from the attacker"?

Just trying to be very sure that's what you're saying.

Again, seriously, whatever floats your boat. It really doesn't matter to me how you play. Just be ready to change how you play, if you want to conform to the rules, because the way you're doing it now is not the way it's going to shake out.

What I think is that "during an attack" isn't the actual language used in the rules, and has no place in this debate, especially as a strawman for why Inquisitor ignores AT but doesn't get debuffed by Carnor Jax. Same deal with "measured from the attacker." That phrase doesn't appear anywhere in the rules for either the Inquisitor or autothrusters (or Carnor Jax, for that matter).

That clear enough for you?

Like, you can make up phrases that aren't in the rules all you want, but then don't pretend like the rules you made up mean one thing for autothrusters and another thing for Carnor Jax.

The inquisitor effects only himself unless faqed.

1) choose a target, measure range

2) gather attack dice and roll them. Inquisitor applies here

3) gather defense dice, roll them. Inquisitor does not apply here

Anyway, it has a solid ship, title, pilots, and amazing dial. Begging for a missile and chips. To fill that low 19-23pt space in a list.

The inquisitor effects only himself unless faqed.

1) choose a target, measure range

2) gather attack dice and roll them. Inquisitor applies here

3) gather defense dice, roll them. Inquisitor does not apply here

Anyway, it has a solid ship, title, pilots, and amazing dial. Begging for a missile and chips. To fill that low 19-23pt space in a list.

Under this interpretation (which I don't necessarily disagree with), the defender gets an additional green die at range 3.

It's not as clear to me as autothrusters is, but I think you can make a pretty strong argument that the defender doesn't get a bonus die. After all, the "range combat bonus" that grants the Inquisitor an extra die is the same rule that would normally grant the defender an extra green die. Though, in your favor, the Range 3 bonus comes during the "roll defense dice" step, and the Inquisitor's ability says "when attacking." I don't know.

But I'm **** sure he doesn't cancel autothrusters!