I like what I'm seeing here.

Lando... Awesome

Bossk....Awesome

Another "Jedi"...Awesome

2 force users out of the 13 we've gotten so far sounds right. I have no qualms with that.

Hmmm... Out in the 2nd Quarter... So around thanksgiving then?

You're thinking third quarter. Second quarter is April to June.

Are you talking only about the movies or anything else?

I'm talking about canon, which includes the movies and TV shows, but may or may not include the Legends stuff.

Do you need to be recognized by a Jedi Master to be a Jedi Knight? Is Jedi an actual title/rank or just what people who follow the Jedi code call themselves? Is Knight a title/rank like Master?

Can anyone who follows the Jedi code, and is force sensitive a Jedi? I mean if Jedi is a religion then in most cases you don't need to be recognized by a church to be considered a member of that religion, although you do need that to be a priest/pastor.

But regardless of the lore, most people will see a force user with a saber and say Jedi or Sith.

I dont care what most people will call when they see that. Being in a setting and knowing the bells and whsitles of that setting is what this is all about.

Make up your mind... Either you include Legends stuff or not. If you include then youre wrong. Its properly done in that lore how/when a Padawan becomes a Jedi Knight and after that a Jedi Master with right (or not) to participate in the Jedi Counsel (Qui-Gon Jinn was a Master without a seat at the Counsel).

If you dont include the Legends stuff I can say you could be right because I havent read anything of the new Disney stuff and so I dont know if they kept the same stuff about that.

Also dont try to compare with real life exemples like those. It isnt the same. For a real life example you should say the Templar Order aka Knights Templar (and even that isnt the same).

"Jokes do not go over my head...

My reflexes are too good...

I can just reach up and catch them."

And secondly, I said I hoped Bossk had the concussion cannon from Dark Forces 2, and a grenade attack is good enough for me!

Thirdly, the tiles *are beautiful, but some of them (like the "I am your father" platform) are *really specific.

FOURTHLY, and this is the least important, if you were trying to find a real life analog of OT Jedi, you might look into the chivalric orders of Middle Ages Europe. Lucas adapted/stole (depends on if you like Lucas or not, lol) a lot of fairy tales to build his pseudo-SciFi setting.

You're thinking third quarter. Second quarter is April to June.

But given FFG's track record, Thanksgiving isn't that far fetched when they say Q2.

Believe it'll be July/August like when Twin Shadows came out. My guess will be late Q2/early Q3.

~D

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This group gains the spy trait.

When an attack targeting you is declared,

you may replace one die from your defense pool

with a white die.

Regarding the Ithorian, what I looked up on www.howtosexanithoriansoyoudontembarrassyourselfinconversation.com was that ithorian males have on bump behind their heads and females have two. That means out character, under that odd looking ballroom gown, is a dude.

Being in a setting and knowing the bells and whsitles of that setting is what this is all about.

What? So unless you are well versed in the canon you can't be a fan of the game or Star Wars in general?

But I'm done debating issues of canon in the announcement thread...

Myself I think this pack will be as good and perhaps better than Twin Shadows was and I really liked that one.

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- “major character on box art = no figure in box” trend continues for mini expansions. Ughhhhhhh.....hhhhh.

People need to let this go. What you need to play these characters in the campaign is in the box. Selling the actually mini separately allows them to add skirmish cards and the mission cards to hire them for the campaign(which you need unless a campaign mission uses them in a special setup deployment in the mission rules). You do not need to buy any ally or villain packs at all(that I can think of) to play campaign missions. There are some things in the packs that add to a campaign but for the most part, about 75% of the content of the packs are for skirmish play.

When I 1st saw IG-88, I figured they may add more bounty hunters so skipped painting a trandosian up in yellow. Then Fett came out which pretty much confimed that. Happy I didn't paint one up like Bossk. Going to say it here that 4-LOM and Zuccuss should come out as a set pack together for $20.

Now have a legitimate reason to pick up another R2-D2 and C-3PO pack. Assuming that the junk droid is going to be a token and not an actual figure. Paint up both as that duo from the Darth Vader comic. Wording does seem to indicate there's only 1 junk droid card and so can only have 1 up though if there's a generic and elite version of the Ughnaught...

Regarding the Ithorian, what I looked up on www.howtosexanithoriansoyoudontembarrassyourselfinconversation.com was that ithorian males have on bump behind their heads and females have two. That means out character, under that odd looking ballroom gown, is a dude.

It wouldn't be the first time FFG decides to butcher the lore either way.

Being in a setting and knowing the bells and whsitles of that setting is what this is all about.

What? So unless you are well versed in the canon you can't be a fan of the game or Star Wars in general?

Make up your mind... Either you include Legends stuff or not.

Show me a definitive list of what Legends material is canon and we'll include everything on that list.

Also dont try to compare with real life exemples like those.

Last time I checked, I can use whatever example I like. If you don't like it, feel free to say so, or just ignore the point. But don't ever tell me what I can or can't do.

Of course you can be a fan but saying nonsense and trying to prove it about something youre a fan doesnt make much sense... whatever man... whatever.

Dont need to show you anything. Go to Star Wars website and look around. Its there.

I never said I dont like it. All I said was it wasnt a proper comparison. Sure you can use whatever example you want but i was trying (and failed I guess) to prevent that you made such an rubbish example.

All of this is that for you as a fan all it takes is a guy with a lightsaber in hand to be a Jedi. For me as a fan AND based in the lore (Legends lore of course) theres a lot more than that.

So were both fans but one considers all he knows about the setting before seeing that guy with a lightsaber in hand and saying "its a Jedi!" while the other makes a poor judgement and outright assumes "its a Jedi!" tricking those who dont know into thinking the same.

1) This is awesome, we finally have the smoothest guy in the galaxy.

2) Just because Cloud City guards are part of the Mercenary faction doesn't mean that the Rebels can't use them during the campaign given special circumstances.

3) A force-sensitive character is not a Jedi (EU - Mara Jade, Canon - Zuckuss) , and as a skirmish player I'm glad we got another force-sensitive because we need it.

4) Glad we got more stuff for the Mercenary faction, it needs it.

5) Rebels is a great part of cannon and I really hope it makes it in eventually (Lothal is mentioned in the Lando expansion).

Very exciting expansion. That Ithorian sculpt is brilliant and the Ugnaughts sound great - moveable cover generators. That's gonna be a thing. And those are some of the best tiles FFG has made.

Lando and Bossk help round out more OT goodness and their sculpts are solid. The Imperial stuff will be low on my list, though.

It wouldn't be the first time FFG decides to butcher the lore either way.

FFG can do nothing that LFL doesn't approve, so they actually can't butcher the lore, since anything they've done has LFL's approval.

But perhaps you're one of those people who refuse to accept LFL gets to decide what is or isn't canon.

tricking those who dont know into thinking the same.

Did I kick your puppy or something, or do you treat everyone like this?

I'm saying that most people will look at a character with a lightsaber that can use the force and call that person a jedi. Because for most people Jedi is shorthand for force user with a light saber.

And I'm trying to trick no one into anything. I used the term Jedi in a loose sense of the word, but apparently that offends you. Which is honestly not my problem. But if it bugs you that much feel free to put me on ignore.

Edit: If this was a thread discussing what is or isn't required to be a Jedi, or even a discussion of canon/lore, then I'd likely be more concerned about using the term Jedi... But it's not, so I'm not.

I just read through the whole thread. I expected there to be more people actually discussing the info on the cards and abilities. Yeah they're grainy, but I was able to read almost everything you could and I think there are some really sweet additions to the game here, regardless of what this or that person dislikes about so and so or such and such.

Don't worry, Lando's here...he'll smoothe everything over...

If the Ithorian is a girl, she will join my WIP rebel team "lady killers".

If the Ithorian is male, I'll find another list to put him into with an equally enjoyable name.

As for Bossk, I already have a figure painted like him, so if I end up buying his expansion, it might end up being painted bright pink jumpsuit.

tricking those who dont know into thinking the same.

Did I kick your puppy or something, or do you treat everyone like this?

I'm saying that most people will look at a character with a lightsaber that can use the force and call that person a jedi. Because for most people Jedi is shorthand for force user with a light saber.

And I'm trying to trick no one into anything. I used the term Jedi in a loose sense of the word, but apparently that offends you. Which is honestly not my problem. But if it bugs you that much feel free to put me on ignore.

Edit: If this was a thread discussing what is or isn't required to be a Jedi, or even a discussion of canon/lore, then I'd likely be more concerned about using the term Jedi... But it's not, so I'm not.

I know that wasn't directed at me, but I also referred to him as a force user so I thought I'd jump in.

I do agree that Jedi is a loose term for a guy with a lightsaber, but the nit-pickers hate more Jedis during the time of episodes IV-VI, so maybe (just maybe) they can be satiated by calling the new guy a force-user, or force-sensitive. That's what I'm hoping for, at least. I think the news is great and I'd hate to see anyone disappointed for any reason.

I just read through the whole thread. I expected there to be more people actually discussing the info on the cards and abilities. Yeah they're grainy, but I was able to read almost everything you could and I think there are some really sweet additions to the game here, regardless of what this or that person dislikes about so and so or such and such.

Don't worry, Lando's here...he'll smoothe everything over...

BOSK REGENERATES AT THE END OF EVERY ROUND!

I just read through the whole thread. I expected there to be more people actually discussing the info on the cards and abilities. Yeah they're grainy, but I was able to read almost everything you could and I think there are some really sweet additions to the game here, regardless of what this or that person dislikes about so and so or such and such.

Don't worry, Lando's here...he'll smoothe everything over...

BOSK REGENERATES AT THE END OF EVERY ROUND!

Yeah, I was going to write up all the things I saw people mention, but figured I'd keep it low key

I like his grenade too. Lando gets to reroll a dice every attack and defense. I think he can also choose before he rerolls to keep the original roll to the side and take whichever he likes better after the reroll (might be wrong). He can also use his command card to cheat somehow during that ability.

The agent can surge to interrogate (look at opponents command cards and choose one to discard if he wants to pay by discarding a command card of equal or greater value). His command card lets him get the card he paid for the interrogation for back, and draw another card from the deck.

The ISB guys have a command card that lets you go through the opponents discard pile and pick a card and play it as if it was in your hand!

I mean there's tons of stuff already revealed to talk about. Flamewars are boring, discussing tactics and strategies - that's way more fun!

Don't worry, Lando's here...he'll smoothe everything over...

Mr. Colt 45? Well, he works every time...

"Tough Luck" just made every skirmish deck ever. Can't wait! Oh, you're rerolling that? <Lando Quote here and takes die> AHAAHAAHAHAAAHAAHAAHAAHAA

I can't wait. I may have to proxy it early and play it casually.

I do agree that Jedi is a loose term for a guy with a lightsaber, but the nit-pickers hate more Jedis during the time of episodes IV-VI, so maybe (just maybe) they can be satiated by calling the new guy a force-user, or force-sensitive.

That's a losing fight, there are a lot of Jedi being added into canon in Rebels and likely will see some in Rogue One.

The idea that Luke was the last surviving Jedi is simply stupid, always has been and always will be.

My point is, that if when I tell my buddy about the 'jedi ninja' in this kit, it will give him an idea what the new hero will be. Sure I could say 'force user who may or may not be a Jedi' but that's a bit wordy.

It wouldn't be the first time FFG decides to butcher the lore either way.

FFG can do nothing that LFL doesn't approve, so they actually can't butcher the lore, since anything they've done has LFL's approval.

But perhaps you're one of those people who refuse to accept LFL gets to decide what is or isn't canon.

They need approval, but FFG are the ones that come up with those ideas first.

I do agree that Jedi is a loose term for a guy with a lightsaber, but the nit-pickers hate more Jedis during the time of episodes IV-VI, so maybe (just maybe) they can be satiated by calling the new guy a force-user, or force-sensitive.

That's a losing fight, there are a lot of Jedi being added into canon in Rebels and likely will see some in Rogue One.The idea that Luke was the last surviving Jedi is simply stupid, always has been and always will be.My point is, that if when I tell my buddy about the 'jedi ninja' in this kit, it will give him an idea what the new hero will be. Sure I could say 'force user who may or may not be a Jedi' but that's a bit wordy.

Look buddy, were talking about Star Wars here. Take your "canon" back to Disneyland where it belong.

Now is not the place for that fight.

*sigh*

No I'm not going to derail this thread any further.

So what I like about this kit.

I like the new mechanics, glad to see another person with a lightsaber as well. Lando looks great, new tiles look great too.

the ISB infiltrators could be a nice addition to skirmish, and hopefully Bosk will give merc's a real powerhouse unit.